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Old 18th June 2020, 03:14 PM   #161
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Nancy Pelosi is pissed at Bolton big time for not testifying when she said he knew at the time Trump should be removed. He's not exactly being lauded by Dems.
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Old 18th June 2020, 03:26 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Nancy Pelosi is pissed at Bolton big time for not testifying when she said he knew at the time Trump should be removed. He's not exactly being lauded by Dems.
Nor should he be. I'd bet every word of what he said is true. Everything is in Trump's character and pretty much confirmed by so many other incidents and stories told by others

But when true patriotism and love of country called, Bolton ignored his duty.
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Old 18th June 2020, 03:39 PM   #163
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These are my thoughts too. Bolton rightly calls Trump out for putting his personal interests above that of the countries' but didn't he do exactly that by writing this book and not testifying in front of congress when it really mattered?
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Old 18th June 2020, 03:49 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Nor should he be. I'd bet every word of what he said is true. Everything is in Trump's character and pretty much confirmed by so many other incidents and stories told by others

But when true patriotism and love of country called, Bolton ignored his duty.
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Old 18th June 2020, 04:09 PM   #165
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There is an editorial cartoon that shows two books, a thick one with a title like "What He Did" and a very slim volume titled "And What I Did About It."
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Old 18th June 2020, 04:18 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Nor should he be. I'd bet every word of what he said is true. Everything is in Trump's character and pretty much confirmed by so many other incidents and stories told by others

But when true patriotism and love of country called, Bolton ignored his duty.
He did volunteer to testify to the Senate, knowing they wouldn't call him. One of the four prime architects of the endless wars we've had for nearly 20 years now. The others of course being Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. Bush and Powell were just patsies for them.
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Old 18th June 2020, 04:31 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
No, it isn't. Bolton doesn't have the freedom of speech that you and I have. He voluntarily surrendered it in order to take the position in government that he did and gain access to the classified information that he worked with. He cannot freely write about that classified material. This is a long established legal principle. It isn't an outrage. Rather, Bolton was an idiot to think he could just ignore the review requirements that everyone else in his position has to abide by.



Perhaps, but Bolton doesn't have a legal leg to stand on here.
Every analysis I have seen so far is contrary to this. Maybe Ziggurat has alternative facts he can point us to.
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Old 18th June 2020, 05:41 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Every analysis I have seen so far is contrary to this. Maybe Ziggurat has alternative facts he can point us to.
I'm sure there's some sooper seekrit proof, like about Obama being a thin-skinned narcissist.
Seriously, Doc, there's no point debating with those whose minds will never be altered by facts.

ETA: If I recall correctly you are an actual lawyer. Is Zig?
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Old 18th June 2020, 06:00 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I'm sure there's some sooper seekrit proof, like about Obama being a thin-skinned narcissist.
Seriously, Doc, there's no point debating with those whose minds will never be altered by facts.

ETA: If I recall correctly you are an actual lawyer. Is Zig?
I'm not that kind of lawyer. Ziggurat tends to actually bring receipts for most of his positions, so I was actually interested in where he was coming from. Maybe he's still on vacation.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Every analysis I have seen so far is contrary to this. Maybe Ziggurat has alternative facts he can point us to.
He doesn't.
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Old 18th June 2020, 06:21 PM   #171
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I now see that the Trump administration is trying to get a emergency injunction to stop Bolton's book from being released to the public. This seems ridiculous given that they waited this long.
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Old 18th June 2020, 06:23 PM   #172
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I now see that the Trump administration is trying to get a emergency injunction to stop Bolton's book from being released to the public. This seems ridiculous given that they waited this long.
Trump sure is afraid of that book. Lessee....which does he fear most being made public? Bolton's book or his tax returns?

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Old 18th June 2020, 06:25 PM   #174
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Nor should he be. I'd bet every word of what he said is true. Everything is in Trump's character and pretty much confirmed by so many other incidents and stories told by others

But when true patriotism and love of country called, Bolton ignored his duty.
Not a warhawk, not even a chickenhawk. A shytehawk.
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Old 18th June 2020, 06:27 PM   #175
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Trump sure is afraid of that book. Lessee....which does he fear most being made public? Bolton's book or his tax returns?
I can't believe their incompetence. This book wasn't a secret and Bolton was working with the government to make sure that any security issues had been addressed.
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Old 18th June 2020, 06:36 PM   #176
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President Trump threatens a lot of suits, how often does he actually follow through?
Very, very, few.
Trump was notorious when a businessman for threteing or filing lawsuits not because the thought they would get anywhere, but as pressure to get his way.
We might have a difference n legal culture here, in the US Filing a Lswsuit if the first thing you do,it's often just a negotiation opening / In the UK, I understand, it's a last resort when negotiations have failed.
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Old 18th June 2020, 06:38 PM   #177
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If he's fighting this hard to keep it from coming out, then it's something he fears.
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Old 18th June 2020, 07:58 PM   #178
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If he's fighting this hard to keep it from coming out, then it's something he fears.
That's not how Trump's mind works.

He thinks Bolton needs to be punished for disloyalty. No one must be seen to profit from backstabbing The Donald.
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If he's fighting this hard to keep it from coming out, then it's something he fears.
I'm not sure about that. I think Trump fears people not talking about him most of all.
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Old 18th June 2020, 08:01 PM   #180
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Old 18th June 2020, 09:43 PM   #181
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These are my thoughts too. Bolton rightly calls Trump out for putting his personal interests above that of the countries' but didn't he do exactly that by writing this book and not testifying in front of congress when it really mattered?
But it didn't matter. The impeachment was bound to fail either way.

By holding his revelations off until now they have more effect. Can't get lost in the 'bump' after beating impeachment, and well timed to keep the pressure on while Trump's ratings are dropping. This just what we need to keep the ball rolling until October, when the **** really hits the fan.
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Old 18th June 2020, 09:55 PM   #182
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But it didn't matter. The impeachment was bound to fail either way.

By holding his revelations off until now they have more effect. Can't get lost in the 'bump' after beating impeachment, and well timed to keep the pressure on while Trump's ratings are dropping. This just what we need to keep the ball rolling until October, when the **** really hits the fan.
Impeachment was bound to fail.

But with Bolton's testimony, the House could have widened the investigation and brought much more to light.
Bolton has given Senate Republicans the perfect cover for refusing to adopt the Impeachment, since they can claim they didn't know.
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One entertaining story from Bolton's revelations:

From: Business Insider
President Donald Trump showed an unusual level of interest in getting Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to give North Korean leader Kim Jong Un a copy of Elton John's "Rocket Man" CD following a summit on the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula...Pompeo visited North Korea in October 2018, and Trump wanted him to give Kim the CD on the trip. Trump had previously called Kim "Rocket Man" as an insult...The president apparently wanted to convince Kim it was actually meant as a compliment.

First of all, seems like a bizarre diversion for the president... you would think he had more important things to worry about.

Secondly, he must be pretty stupid if he thinks anyone would fall for the "Insults were really complements" scheme.

Lastly, if he wanted to save some money, he could have given him the William Shatner version.
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Old 18th June 2020, 10:06 PM   #184
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.. and, of course, giving KJU a present is a violation of the Sanctions.
But I guess there are workarounds.
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Secondly, he must be pretty stupid if he thinks anyone would fall for the "Insults were really complements" scheme.
Why wouldn't he believe that? His base falls for that crap every time, even when its explained to them
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I'm not sure about that. I think Trump fears people not talking about him most of all.
He could get that by just letting the book come out. People would talk about it regardless. No...he fears that book because it has a lot of truth in it and he knows it.
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Old 18th June 2020, 10:43 PM   #187
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Impeachment was bound to fail.

But with Bolton's testimony, the House could have widened the investigation and brought much more to light.
Bolton has given Senate Republicans the perfect cover for refusing to adopt the Impeachment, since they can claim they didn't know.
Nuh uh. They knew. They just didn't give a damn.
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President Trump threatens a lot of suits, how often does he actually follow through?
My impression is that referring him to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram usually works.
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
But it didn't matter. The impeachment was bound to fail either way.

By holding his revelations off until now they have more effect. Can't get lost in the 'bump' after beating impeachment, and well timed to keep the pressure on while Trump's ratings are dropping. This just what we need to keep the ball rolling until October, when the **** really hits the fan.
ummm, maybe. I agree with you that it wouldn't have resulted in the removal of office but it would have made the case for that far more clear. And as it having more of an impact now for more effect? I kinda doubt it. It is good that he is doing it but it would have been better earlier IMO.
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New York Times excerpts from the book.
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At times, Mr. Trump seemed to almost mimic the authoritarian leaders he appeared to admire. “These people should be executed,” Mr. Trump once said of journalists. “They are scumbags.” When Mr. Xi explained why he was building concentration camps in China, the book says, Mr. Trump “said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which he thought was exactly the right thing to do.” He repeatedly badgered Mr. Barr to prosecute former Secretary of State John F. Kerry for talking with Iran in what he insisted was a violation of the Logan Act.

In the face of such behavior, even top advisers who position themselves as unswervingly loyal mock Mr. Trump behind his back. During the president’s 2018 meeting with North Korea’s leader, according to the book, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo slipped Mr. Bolton a note disparaging the president, saying, “He is so full of ****.” A month later, Mr. Bolton writes, Mr. Pompeo dismissed the president’s North Korea diplomacy, declaring that there was “zero probability of success.” Link
I'm convinced trump is even worse -- much worse -- then we know or suspect. Wait'll he's out of office and the tell-all books start coming out.
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In reaction trump Tweeted:

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Wacko John Bolton’s “exceedingly tedious”(New York Times) book is made up of lies & fake stories. Said all good about me, in print, until the day I fired him. A disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was ostracized & happily dumped. What a dope!
The current president of the United States describing his former National Security Advisor: "...disgruntled boring fool...Never had a clue...What a dope!" Is this really happening? Is this some mass hallucination we're all suffering from?
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"A disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was ostracized & happily dumped. What a dope!"

Who would ever hire someone like that?
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Why wouldn't he believe that? His base falls for that crap every time, even when its explained to them

Yep, these are the people who dismissed his mockery of a disabled reporter, because Trump was "Just doing his standard 'retard' mockery", as if this made it better.
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First of all, seems like a bizarre diversion for the president... you would think he had more important things to worry about.

That assumes that he had any interest in actually doing his job. I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
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That assumes that he had any interest in actually doing his job. I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
Yep pity Bolton is to high Profile for Trumpsters racist followers to Murder, unlike some people in this Country he has protection from the Lawless Republican Hoards.
Others have to flee to Canada or drop out of site to protect themselves Especially in deep Red States where Trump and Republicans control, because of the Tea Party.
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In reaction trump Tweeted:



The current president of the United States describing his former National Security Advisor: "...disgruntled boring fool...Never had a clue...What a dope!" Is this really happening? Is this some mass hallucination we're all suffering from?
More to the point - if he's right and they're all lies, then they can't be classified, can they? Nor are the NDAs applicable.
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...newday-vpx.cnn

That disgusting little leprechaun, Mick Mulvaney is here saying the people who say Trump is unfit for office are wrong. He then goes on to explain how Trump didn't know how to hire and build a team because he'd never worked in government. This would make Trump unfit for office.
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I have been assure (ad nauseum) that running a government is just like running a business.
So Trump isn't only unfit for Office, he is unfit for any executive position.
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I have been assure (ad nauseum) that running a government is just like running a business.
So Trump isn't only unfit for Office, he is unfit for any executive position.

Let's be honest. The whole "run government like a business" routine is just an excuse to explain why a State Senator and US Senator was unqualified to be President due to lack of experience, but there's no problem with someone who knows literally jack **** about the government.
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Old 19th June 2020, 09:32 AM   #200
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Originally Posted by jadebox View Post
"A disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was ostracized & happily dumped. What a dope!"

Who would ever hire someone like that?
George W Bush.
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