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Old 7th July 2020, 01:17 PM   #1
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Mary Trump's Book

It seems like it ought to be thread-worthy.


The big takeaway from today's releases, that I noticed.

According to the book, Donald Trump paid someone to take the SAT test for him. She names a name. No word on whether the alleged test-taker is still alive or available for confirmation.

Mary think's he's pretty much a nutcase with learning disabilities. So, that seems pretty accurate.

Mary says he was an abused child and that the abuse pretty much left him scarred for life.

Mary includes a lot of family gossip, especially of the form, "Donald is an idiot."

Reviewers said they were reading advance copies, so, there's pretty much no hope of Donald keeping this out of the public's hands, with or without lawsuits. The horses have left the barn.


It must be difficult to be a book publisher these days. The "good parts" will already be known long before they are able to sell it. Before the "tell all" book is published, it will already be told.

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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Reviewers said they were reading advance copies, so, there's pretty much no hope of Donald keeping this out of the public's hands, with or without lawsuits. The horses have left the barn.
And they left the barn early due to Trump's attempts to stop the book, I've heard.

I'll probably get it on Audible eventually. Don't know how much of an impact it's going to have.


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According to the book, Donald Trump paid someone to take the SAT test for him.
Totally believable.
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And they left the barn early due to Trump's attempts to stop the book, I've heard.

I'll probably get it on Audible eventually. Don't know how much of an impact it's going to have.


Totally believable.
The cool thing about the SAT story is that, even though it's fifty years old, it's something that people can relate to. They might have trouble thinking about bankrupt casinos, or tough decisions in the situation room, or being wealthy enough that porn stars will spank you just because they want something from you, but they can relate to the SAT, and they can know that the smart people didn't have to pay someone to take the test for them.

Allegedly, of course.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
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It must be difficult to be a book publisher these days. The "good parts" will already be known long before they are able to sell it. Before the "tell all" book is published, it will already be told.
Doesn't seem to have hurt Bolton's book sales.
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... Don't know how much of an impact it's going to have.

Totally believable.
I hope it's going to have an impact on the election.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post

It must be difficult to be a book publisher these days. The "good parts" will already be known long before they are able to sell it. Before the "tell all" book is published, it will already be told.
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Doesn't seem to have hurt Bolton's book sales.
It's more likely than not the publisher sent the ARCs (Advanced Reading Copies) around to promote the book.
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The SAT take is named Joe Shapiro, the late husband of former tennis player Pam Shriver. He died in 1999
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Business Insider: 5 of the most shocking claims in Mary Trump's scathing tell-all book about the president

I'm not shocked.
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I can certainly relate to the sociopath description, having befriended one in the town where I studied. They mostly have zero concern for the feelings or needs of others (my friend did appear to have moments where she exhibited empathy, but it seemed to mostly/only be when others experienced things she herself found difficult -- if something was easy for her, she seemed to expect it to be easy for everyone else as well), and a very domineering and cold attitude.

She, too, had this attitude of getting frustrated with people for not doing things right, or not understanding things right away.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It seems like it ought to be thread-worthy.


The big takeaway from today's releases, that I noticed.

According to the book, Donald Trump paid someone to take the SAT test for him. She names a name. No word on whether the alleged test-taker is still alive or available for confirmation.

Mary think's he's pretty much a nutcase with learning disabilities. So, that seems pretty accurate.

Mary says he was an abused child and that the abuse pretty much left him scarred for life.
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It should be noted that she's a clinical psychologist and assesses Trump from that perspective. This isn't a celebrity tell-all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/u...rump-book.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ok/ar-BB16rMZm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam.../#5309d1ea474e
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It should be noted that she's a clinical psychologist and assesses Trump from that perspective. This isn't a celebrity tell-all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/u...rump-book.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ok/ar-BB16rMZm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam.../#5309d1ea474e
Well, it's a celebrity's relative tell all, who happens to be a clinical psychologist.

This is going to be seen by a lot of people as a relative trying to cash in on the family connection. Undoubtedly, it is that. The question is whether it will be seen as true, and whether the negative effect of the book will be outweighed by the backlash of support. It's so difficult to foresee how the electorate, collectively, will react. Mary Trump will undoubtedly be all over the media in the near future. If she is perceived negatively, Trump could be helped.

I have a feeling that it will hurt Trump at the polls. Of course, his base will be unmoved. However, if just a few are swayed, a close election could be swayed.

Here's my greatest fear. There's nothing really new in the book that I saw, except the SAT thing, and that's 50 years old. Will that influence voters? I hope, but I couldn't count on it.

Meanwhile, there will be a lot of stories that are "SHOCKING REVELATIONS..." stories. Unless there really are shocking revelations, people will read the stories, be unimpressed, and it will feed "the liberal media is out to get Donald Trump" narrative. That narrative, I know, gets a lot of sympathy from people that do not just include his hard core supporters.

A lot of the book seems to be, "Trump is a mentally ill moron." Well, yeah. You can read that here before the book was published, and it's true, but that hasn't seemed to have mattered in the past. Maybe multiple repetitions from multiple sources will do the trick.

We'll see. The book is young. Sometimes it's odd what sticks in these stories, and of course The Donald has an opportunity to tweet about it, and he might end up saying something stupid. Wait, correct that. What I mean is that when he says something stupid, it might be something that swing voters will hold against him. We know he will say something stupid, but he has been saying stupid for a long time and until the virus came along, it looked, to me, like he was going to carry the election.
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Teddy Mentiroso Kennedy had someone take his Spanish test at Harvard, but you never hear liberals never talk about that!
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Wait, he hired Shapiro to take the SAT for him, and promised to pay? That much is totally believable.

But that he actually coffed up rather than stiff the guy -- THAT I find a bit hard to believe.
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Teddy Mentiroso Kennedy had someone take his Spanish test at Harvard, but you never hear liberals never talk about that!
Who?
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My guess it will have little impact on the election. His supporters will dismiss it and opponents will agree.
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Who?
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My guess it will have little impact on the election. His supporters will dismiss it and opponents will agree.
If everyone were an opponent or a supporter, there would be no need to wait for November for the election. The question is whether it will sway anyone who is not firmly in either camp.

And the answer is, I don't have a clue. I'm inclined to think it will hurt a little bit, and every little bit helps.
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This story if false on the left's own terms: If the SAT measures socio-economic status rather than ability, why would Trump pay someone from a more humble background to take it?
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It seems like it ought to be thread-worthy.


The big takeaway from today's releases, that I noticed.

According to the book, Donald Trump paid someone to take the SAT test for him. She names a name. No word on whether the alleged test-taker is still alive or available for confirmation.

Mary think's he's pretty much a nutcase with learning disabilities. So, that seems pretty accurate.

Mary says he was an abused child and that the abuse pretty much left him scarred for life.

Mary includes a lot of family gossip, especially of the form, "Donald is an idiot."

Reviewers said they were reading advance copies, so, there's pretty much no hope of Donald keeping this out of the public's hands, with or without lawsuits. The horses have left the barn.


It must be difficult to be a book publisher these days. The "good parts" will already be known long before they are able to sell it. Before the "tell all" book is published, it will already be told.
I've said for a long time that he has a reading comprehension problem. That he would hire someone to take the SAT for him does not surprise me at all. What would be interesting would be to compare 'his' SAT score to his actual grades.
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Yeah, I repeat my question. Who?


Only kidding.But didn't Kennedy withdraw from Harvard for 2 years because he was caught?
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I've said for a long time that he has a reading comprehension problem. That he would hire someone to take the SAT for him does not surprise me at all. What would be interesting would be to compare 'his' SAT score to his actual grades.
The public should demand the long form transcripts.

And how big was daddy's donation to get him into Wharton? Which, by the way, is not the famous Wharton business school, which is a graduate program.
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the book is free with an amazon audible subscription. guess I have to wait 7 days for it
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Yeah, I repeat my question. Who?


Only kidding.But didn't Kennedy withdraw from Harvard for 2 years because he was caught?
Edward Kennedy -- not JFK -- was expelled for cheating, and readmitted after he spent two years in the Army.
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Edward Kennedy -- not JFK -- was expelled for cheating, and readmitted after he spent two years in the Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy
I know. But that 50 years ago. Frankly, if Trump was actually a genius I wouldn't care. I know the system works for wealthy. The frat a close friend of mine attended, that stuff was status quo. The rich kids would party and schmooze and then pay the smart kids at the frat to do their work for them.
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My guess it will have little impact on the election. His supporters will dismiss it and opponents will agree.
It may help to keep the Obama-Trump voters from voting for Trump a second time. That's probably the only group it would impact.
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I'm not shocked but I have been curious since he became president how he got so ****** up.
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I know. But that 50 years ago. Frankly, if Trump was actually a genius I wouldn't care. I know the system works for wealthy. The frat a close friend of mine attended, that stuff was status quo. The rich kids would party and schmooze and then pay the smart kids at the frat to do their work for them.
The scandal isn't just that they did it, but that the profs allowed it, either knowingly or otherwise. Chances are admissions offices blink at shady stuff, too.
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The scandal isn't just that they did it, but that the profs allowed it, either knowingly or otherwise. Chances are admissions offices blink at shady stuff, too.
For undergraduate work? C'mon, at the big universities most of the profs leave grading papers etc in the hand of TAs who change regularly. It was easy for that stuff to happen in the 100, 200 and even sometimes in the upper level courses.

Frats routinely copy and keep tests for every class a brother might attend. They also kept library of papers for those courses.

And if that wasn't enough there was always someone out there to sell to you what you might need to get you into and through any college. Although getting a degree in the sciences is much harder to buy.
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The thing about the SAT test is that an awful lot of people who would consider voting for Donald Trump have kids that had to take the SAT, many of whom were disappointed by the results. They had to take it themselves as well, but I think their experience of having a kid go through it is more significant.

Also, one reason that people vote for Trump is because he's rich, and if he is rich, he must be smart. Anything that chips away at that reputation is a good thing.

If it does, we won't be able to measure it, because it will just be one element in the castle made of sand that is Donald Trump. Now, if the Supreme Court could be nice and hand over his tax returns (indirectly, of course), and it could be proven that he's not such a hot businessman after all, we might get somewhere.
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The SAT take is named Joe Shapiro, the late husband of former tennis player Pam Shriver. He died in 1999
Though this part seems a bit hard to verify. From WaPo:

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Trump was friends with a young man named Joe Shapiro when he attended the University of Pennsylvania. If Mary Trump is referring to that person, he is deceased, according to Shapiro’s sister, Beth Shapiro. She said in a telephone interview that her brother did not meet Trump until they both attended the Philadelphia school, and thus, she said, the timing the book describes does not make sense. “My brother never took a test for anybody else in his entire life,” she said.

Reached by phone, Shapiro’s wife, former tennis star Pam Shriver, said her late husband never said he had taken a test for Trump, nor did she believe he would. “He would never, ever take tests for someone,” Shriver said. “He followed things to the letter. This is not my late husband.”
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The thing about the SAT test is that an awful lot of people who would consider voting for Donald Trump have kids that had to take the SAT, many of whom were disappointed by the results. They had to take it themselves as well, but I think their experience of having a kid go through it is more significant.
Trump supporters are more likely to send their kids to unaccredited Bible colleges, which don't require SAT's, just money.
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Though this part seems a bit hard to verify. From WaPo:
Hmmm......

On the "dark cloud" side of things, if people believe Mary Trump is lying about the whole thing, then the true parts of her book will be dismissed, and Trump will be helped.


Just when you get your hopes up.....
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If those are the most shocking revelations she writes about him, I am disappointed. I can't imagine the book making him change the minds of Trump fans. It is like - what - some fans say, "Well, now I know that he cheated, I'm going to vote for Biden,"?
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If those are the most shocking revelations she writes about him, I am disappointed. I can't imagine the book making him change the minds of Trump fans. It is like - what - some fans say, "Well, now I know that he cheated, I'm going to vote for Biden,"?
It never was going to. But I don't think it ever needed to. Trump is going to lose this election unless he steals it somehow. And given the shenanigans in Kentucky, Alabama and Georgia, I'm pretty sure he's going to try.
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Hmmm......

On the "dark cloud" side of things, if people believe Mary Trump is lying about the whole thing, then the true parts of her book will be dismissed, and Trump will be helped.


Just when you get your hopes up.....
This is why the Dems need to be very careful regarding how they handle this book. Even one factual error will be relentlessly attacked and could be used to try to discredit the rest.

Regarding Joe Shapiro, does she claim that the Joe Shapiro that was married to Pam Shriver is the same Joe Shapiro that she claims took the test for Trump? And where did she get this information? Is this one of those "family stories" that got some details changed as it got passed around the family? Is this something that Trump bragged or joked about privately with family? This worries me that this could become a point for discrediting the book.
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This is why the Dems need to be very careful regarding how they handle this book. Even one factual error will be relentlessly attacked and could be used to try to discredit the rest.

Regarding Joe Shapiro, does she claim that the Joe Shapiro that was married to Pam Shriver is the same Joe Shapiro that she claims took the test for Trump? And where did she get this information? Is this one of those "family stories" that got some details changed as it got passed around the family? Is this something that Trump bragged or joked about privately with family? This worries me that this could become a point for discrediting the book.
I don't think it matters either way. There is no reason to run on the veracity of this book.
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Though this part seems a bit hard to verify. From WaPo:
So why did this come up?
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.... said her late husband never said he had taken a test for Trump,
That would be well before the book if the guy is now dead.

People's memories that far back are always sketchy. Does anyone doubt Trump got into Wharton through something less than his own merit?
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So why did this come up? That would be well before the book if the guy is now dead.

People's memories that far back are always sketchy. Does anyone doubt Trump got into Wharton through something less than his own merit?
The real question is does anyone really care? This isn't going to sway anyone's mind.
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The Biden Campaign should ask some psychologists to go over the book and look for clues about what kind of issues might deeply upset Trump, and use that in ads, speeches and campaigns.
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The Biden Campaign should ask some psychologists to go over the book and look for clues about what kind of issues might deeply upset Trump, and use that in ads, speeches and campaigns.
I don't think there's any mystery as to what gets to Trump. He hates to be mocked. He hates to have his intelligence questioned. He hates to be compared to greater men/women and shown to be lacking. It's not difficult to make ads or make speeches using those.
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