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Old 31st August 2020, 02:25 AM   #1
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Black Lives Matter

I'm astonished that we don't have a thread devoted to this topic, at least in USA Politics. I'll start by posting this edition of John Oliver's show:

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I'm left feeling impotent at my inability to even influence change in support of BLM.
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Old 31st August 2020, 06:14 AM   #2
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You could start by saying what you believe, and why. Then you could follow up with what actions you are taking or will take based on your beliefs, and why. It's not the same as making people do what you want, but it's a step towards understanding and agreement. This is the beginning of influencing change.

Right now I don't even know what BLM means to you. What change do you seek? Who are you wanting to influence? Influence them to do what? Are you trying to change your local community? This online community? Other communities elsewhere? Etc.

You must have more to offer than simply shilling John Oliver and then giving up.

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A basic look at america shows that no they don't, at least to most Americans.
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Old 31st August 2020, 06:30 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
I'm astonished that we don't have a thread devoted to this topic, at least in USA Politics. I'll start by posting this edition of John Oliver's show:

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I'm left feeling impotent at my inability to even influence change in support of BLM.
Can you post a quick summary for those of us who do not have the attention span to watch a twenty minute video?
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Astonished, are we OP? Why?
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Ah yes the demands for "Oh I'm sorry could you please explain again, in detail, your problems with the police systematically murdering black people and getting away with it are? I mean it's only one of the biggest social debates happening, one that has been brought up in countless discussions I have been a part of it, but I will pretend that you laying out your exact version of it is super important for the 'civil debate' I'm going to insist we have" sea-lioning is already starting.
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Old 31st August 2020, 07:00 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Can you post a quick summary for those of us who do not have the attention span to watch a twenty minute video?
It's a typical excellent John Oliver segment, highlighting the RNC convention with its unprecedented lying and hypocrisy, and Kenosha with it a fully precedented murdering black guy's and letting white children wander around shooting people. Not much on the formal BLM organization, more the frustration of people still not getting it
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I was, as the Brits so wonderfully put it, gobsmacked when Barr actually said “I don’t agree there’s systemic racism in the police department, generally, in this country."
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I was, as the Brits so wonderfully put it, gobsmacked when Barr actually said “I don’t agree there’s systemic racism in the police department, generally, in this country."
That is the republican truth though, why it is so shocking when one of them just states it as such?
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Old 31st August 2020, 09:46 AM   #14
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And I'd bet each and every one of those dreadful people was a Trump supporter.

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That is the republican truth though, why it is so shocking when one of them just states it as such?
Because he is the Attorney General of the US. Even if he thinks so privately, it's shocking to hear him say it publicly. It just goes to show how blatant the racism has become under Trump.
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Because he is the Attorney General of the US. Even if he thinks so privately, it's shocking to hear him say it publicly. It just goes to show how blatant the racism has become under Trump.
Like Jeff Sessions was any better. This is the republican truth. Hell a majority of them feel that discrimination against whites is as bad or worse.

"The PRRI polls underline a similar separation. In 2019, its polling found that 68% of Americans who approve of Trump say that discrimination against whites is as great a problem as discrimination against minorities; three-fourths of those who disapproved of Trump rejected that view. In 2018 polling, PRRI likewise found that nearly four-fifths of those favorable to Trump said police killings of black men were isolated incidents; almost three-fourths of those unfavorable to Trump said they are part of a broader pattern. On both of these questions, white evangelical Christians -- the core of the modern GOP coalition -- were especially likely to deny the existence of systemic racism against blacks."

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You can't expect a republican attorney general to promote democratic ideas like systemic bias against minorities exists. All that got shut down as soon as Trump took over.
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Old 31st August 2020, 10:32 AM   #17
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Like Jeff Sessions was any better. This is the republican truth. Hell a majority of them feel that discrimination against whites is as bad or worse.

"The PRRI polls underline a similar separation. In 2019, its polling found that 68% of Americans who approve of Trump say that discrimination against whites is as great a problem as discrimination against minorities; three-fourths of those who disapproved of Trump rejected that view. In 2018 polling, PRRI likewise found that nearly four-fifths of those favorable to Trump said police killings of black men were isolated incidents; almost three-fourths of those unfavorable to Trump said they are part of a broader pattern. On both of these questions, white evangelical Christians -- the core of the modern GOP coalition -- were especially likely to deny the existence of systemic racism against blacks."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/polit...iew/index.html

You can't expect a republican attorney general to promote democratic ideas like systemic bias against minorities exists. All that got shut down as soon as Trump took over.
Jesus H. They really do live in an alternate reality. A very stupid one.
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So. The OP says they feel impotent to enact meaningful change supporting BLM. I hear that. I've marched in the protests in my hometown and in Philly, and what did it do? Nada. Argued with family and strangers and changed no hearts or freaking minds. Damn near alienated my own gun totin' half brother over this ****. So what do we do to do something with teeth? Vote, yeah. Get active to support equality laws. Slow baby steps tho. How do we make a serious dent in the problem?

I think the first step is the longest one: improve education and opportunities in minority districts. That has to be job #1, to level out the field for the up and coming generations. Without that, it's just a band aid measure.

Money in broke districts isn't coming from cash-strapped tax bases. It needs to be reallocated statewide, or nationally. You want productive citizens? Give them a level playing field to perform.
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Ah yes the demands for "Oh I'm sorry could you please explain again, in detail, your problems with the police systematically murdering black people and getting away with it are? I mean it's only one of the biggest social debates happening, one that has been brought up in countless discussions I have been a part of it, but I will pretend that you laying out your exact version of it is super important for the 'civil debate' I'm going to insist we have" sea-lioning is already starting.
Systematic is a bit over the top. Yes this kind of thing is a real problem, but systematic brings up images of death camps, and the like. It's hyperbole and it hurt what is otherwise a valid point.
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Systematic is a bit over the top. Yes this kind of thing is a real problem, but systematic brings up images of death camps, and the like. It's hyperbole and it hurt what is otherwise a valid point.
Ya sure death camps. When we have death camps, only then can we say there's systemic racism. Talk about hyperbole.

Systemic racism includes unequal schools. Unequal employment opportunities. Unequal housing opportunities. (E.g. landlords hand-writing "C" for colored on applications submitted by black people, in order to filter them out). Unequal justice.
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Systematic vs systemic.

Can we just move on now from this little correction. Thanks.
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Systematic is a bit over the top. Yes this kind of thing is a real problem, but systematic brings up images of death camps, and the like. It's hyperbole and it hurt what is otherwise a valid point.
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The people who say this also cheer when protestors are run over by vehicles.
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Systematic is a bit over the top. Yes this kind of thing is a real problem, but systematic brings up images of death camps, and the like.
No, it does not. Systemic problem does not imply death camps or any ridiculous nonsense like that.

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It's hyperbole
You dare to lecture us about hyperbole? Just after claiming police needs to set up death camps for blacks before we can say police has systemic racism problem? Lol, what a impudence.
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I think the first step is the longest one: improve education and opportunities in minority districts. That has to be job #1, to level out the field for the up and coming generations. Without that, it's just a band aid measure.
The BLM issue is systemic racism in the police force. Specifically, in your case, systemic racism in your community's police force.

So. I would say that job one for you is probably to get more involved in community oversight of your police force. Especially improving education of your police officers. Also improving opportunities for minorities in your community to interact with - and join the ranks of - your community's police officers.
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So. The OP says they feel impotent to enact meaningful change supporting BLM. I hear that. I've marched in the protests in my hometown and in Philly, and what did it do? Nada. Argued with family and strangers and changed no hearts or freaking minds. Damn near alienated my own gun totin' half brother over this ****. So what do we do to do something with teeth? Vote, yeah. Get active to support equality laws. Slow baby steps tho. How do we make a serious dent in the problem?

I think the first step is the longest one: improve education and opportunities in minority districts. That has to be job #1, to level out the field for the up and coming generations. Without that, it's just a band aid measure.

Money in broke districts isn't coming from cash-strapped tax bases. It needs to be reallocated statewide, or nationally. You want productive citizens? Give them a level playing field to perform.
You need to organise massive anti-BLM, anti-lockdown, anti-mask rallies with lots of shouting and singing, synchronised across the country approximately two weeks before polling day.
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Systematic is a bit over the top. Yes this kind of thing is a real problem, but systematic brings up images of death camps, and the like. It's hyperbole and it hurt what is otherwise a valid point.
LOL. It's "systemic." But look here:

There are thousands (tens of thousands?) of independent or semi-independent police forces in the US. Some of them are almost certainly going to have systematic racism. Others, systemic. Others, institutionalized. Others, an unofficial culture. Others, a soft bigotry of low expectations. Even the best ones are likely to have at least a few bad cops protected from the consequences of their actions by the Thin Blue Line.

"Yes this kind of thing is a problem," full stop. Stop worrying so much about "hyperbole", and start worrying about how much trouble the bad apples on your local force are getting away with because their brother officers are covering for them and you're not paying attention.
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I'm astonished that we don't have a thread devoted to this topic, at least in USA Politics. I'll start by posting this edition of John Oliver's show:

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The people who say this also cheer when protestors are run over by vehicles.
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Astonished, are we OP? Why?
Maybe he's not aware that we've got dozens of threads on this topic. Hell, this forum was doing "... while black" threads before BLM was a household word. I'm beginning to think the opening post really is just a shill for John Oliver.
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I'm glad theprestige is here to explain to us exactly what should be done about issues with policing. Certainly that's what the world needs.
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ETA: And I thought it was "the Libs" who were supposed to be easily triggered. These morons are permanently itching to shoot somebody, ANYBODY.
I'm disappointed that one moron didn't come back a third time. Although I think we might be lucky he didn't
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I'm disappointed that one moron didn't come back a third time. Although I think we might be lucky he didn't
Sorry, that should be spelled "morans".
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ETA: And I thought it was "the Libs" who were supposed to be easily triggered. These morons are permanently itching to shoot somebody, ANYBODY.
Like I keep saying: the most hypersensitive, terrified of everything group in the US are conservative white men. How many times have you heard them scream that BLM, or Antifa, or whoever has "burned the cities to the ground", and then posted videos in cities looking perfectly fine and unburned? How many times have we seen them howl about "gang signs" when looking at a photo of a black or Hispanic person flashing a peace sign in a photo?
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
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ETA: And I thought it was "the Libs" who were supposed to be easily triggered. These morons are permanently itching to shoot somebody, ANYBODY.
This town is 96.2% white as of 2010. I believe they're just more open to saying it out loud.
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Systematic is a bit over the top. Yes this kind of thing is a real problem, but systematic brings up images of death camps, and the like. It's hyperbole and it hurt what is otherwise a valid point.
...the hell are you talking about?

Wanna know what brings up images of death camps? the phrase "death camps". "Systemic racism" brings to mind things like jobs being given only to friends of current employees, underfunding black and indigenous schools, police violently searching black and Hispanic people for no reason, and then being shocked when they find more black and Hispanic people with drugs (but fewer per capita), the continued undervaluing of housing in black neighborhood *because* the residents are mostly black as a remnant of redlining practices, and so on.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
Systematic is a bit over the top. Yes this kind of thing is a real problem, but systematic brings up images of death camps, and the like. It's hyperbole and it hurt what is otherwise a valid point.

Yep, it sure does... if only that was what we are actually talking about.

Pro Tip: "systematic" and "systemic" do not mean the same thing. The difference between them is very, very important in relation to the subject here.

"Systematic" implies a plan of operation being put into place and being carried out. You can liken "systematic" to "methodical". The murdering of millions of Jews & Gypsies by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s was "systematic"

"Systemic", on the other hand means of, or relating to a system. It is used to describe some aspect, say, a social problem that affects every part of an entire system. You can liken "systemic" to "ingrained". Poverty in many third-world countries is "systemic".
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