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Old 16th September 2020, 02:13 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by Mikemcc View Post
Governments have the right to hide information from their populations for wide range of reasons. The idea of a 'right-to-know' is frankly crazy. using an old adage 'You can't handle the truth!'. In that example it was used to obscure illegal dealings, but it can be used to hide sources, techniques, personnel or the information itself.

During WW2 there were plenty of examples where the Government hid, and in some cases, outright lied about what they knew to protect their sources especially the sucess against Enigma. The peak for this was the destruction of Coventry.

The flip side of this is you have to be prepared to defend that position legally at a later date.
Or if not legally, at least morally.

I don't disagree with your point, but I wouldn't use the language of "rights". I'd say the government has the responsibility to hide information, sometimes.
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Old 16th September 2020, 02:37 PM   #482
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
It can't be that one to say he's a pedo. Stephanie Carter isn't a child.
That's one of the ones they use to say he inappropriately touches women and sniffs their hair.
There is video of him acting a little weird with kids..
It is. Look at the hashtag #pedoBiden. That's the one that Trump retweeted that started the whole thing.
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Old 16th September 2020, 02:40 PM   #483
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It is. Look at the hashtag #pedoBiden. That's the one that Trump retweeted that started the whole thing.
If you are correct, then the legal case for defamation just looks better.
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Old 16th September 2020, 03:18 PM   #484
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
It can't be that one to say he's a pedo. Stephanie Carter isn't a child.
That's one of the ones they use to say he inappropriately touches women and sniffs their hair.
There is video of him acting a little weird with kids..
And right on stage in front of their parents and the cameras for the world to see! Why, the chutzpah of the man! I say, I do feel somewhat faint, Sir!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/496b...itemid=8405096

ETA: I am correct. I supplied the link to the story about Trump retweeting the Conservativegirl QAnon CT #pedoBiden with the Stephanie Carter picture in my first post.

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Old 16th September 2020, 09:32 PM   #485
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Has ANY candidate ever won a MAJORITY of Americans? Probably Washington. But I'd bet my last dollar not one since. Certainly not Lincoln. Nor FDR. Nor Jefferson. Nor Roosevelt.

It doesn't matter that she was running against Trump because, like I said, she still BEAT HIM in the popular vote. And no matter how many times you and Squeegee et al want to claim she was 'unelectable' she wasn't because she only lost to him due to the stupidity of the electoral college by 77,000 votes. She was completely electable.
I didn't say she was unelectable. I just said most Americans are stupid. Yeah, she could have won. I expected her to win. Even if she had won, Democrats still would've been stupid.
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Old 16th September 2020, 09:58 PM   #486
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Originally Posted by Mikemcc View Post
Governments have the right to hide information from their populations for wide range of reasons. The idea of a 'right-to-know' is frankly crazy. using an old adage 'You can't handle the truth!'. In that example it was used to obscure illegal dealings, but it can be used to hide sources, techniques, personnel or the information itself.

During WW2 there were plenty of examples where the Government hid, and in some cases, outright lied about what they knew to protect their sources especially the sucess against Enigma. The peak for this was the destruction of Coventry.

The flip side of this is you have to be prepared to defend that position legally at a later date.
Holding back information to increase security or protect the populace is the polar opposite of what Trump and the GOP have done, do, and will consistently do whenever partisan advantage is to be had. They will also pump out toxic waste for the same reason. Contrast the "death panels" fear-mongering re Obamacare with the contemporary suggestion seniors should take a bullet (virus hit) for the good of, not the people, but the economy. The ends justify the means.

(Aside. I'd say "You can't handle the truth!"" is no adage. More like a groupthink meme from entertainment, aka, "the circus".)
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Old 17th September 2020, 12:18 AM   #487
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I didn't say she was unelectable. I just said most Americans are stupid. Yeah, she could have won. I expected her to win. Even if she had won, Democrats still would've been stupid.
If you combine those who voted for Trump with those who just plain didn't bother to vote at all, then you're right: most Americans, not necessarily Democrats, were stupid.
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Old 17th September 2020, 05:16 AM   #488
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
If you combine those who voted for Trump with those who just plain didn't bother to vote at all, then you're right: most Americans, not necessarily Democrats, were stupid.
Well yeah but if we're going that route "Didn't bother to vote" has been the overwhelming landslide Presidential winner in every election.
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Old 17th September 2020, 06:02 AM   #489
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It is even worse than that, since there is evidence that they thought it will affect disproportionately states and people that support their political opponents.
Which I'm am sure you are working dillegently to present, posthaste.
Already presented, and not just on this thread after your question. For some reason you overlooked it when it was presented previously on this forum.
I know, you probably are delusional enough to think republicans are okay, only Trump is bad or something equally nonsensical.

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This is behavior of foreign hostile occupier, like some african colony in third world. How much more they have to do until violence against them will be morally justified?
Depends on what you mean by "them" and "violence."
Them? Republicans, obviously. As far I am concerned, right now they are modern equivalent of Nazis in their early days. And they won't get better.

Violence? Civil war or something similar (like Troubles in UK).

Either way, I see violence as only tool that will remove far-rightwing wannabe authoritarian party of USA (that works hard every day to remove "wannabe" part) from power*. I do not see any peaceful way possible to halt, let alone revert, trends in USA that are currently happening.
In short term, even if Biden wins, it will only slightly slow down rot of USA for four years.

Just temporary setback on way to glorious corporate fascism state.

* Taking aside that violent revolutions usually leave everything even more bleeped than before. Some other posters were right, we're** screwed.
** I am not murican, but any nonsense going on in this unholy mix of first and third world affects rest of world, all way down and including me personally. This is why I am forced to be interested in what happens there.
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