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Old Yesterday, 11:54 PM   #521
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US police chief not happy with the shooting:

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The Minneapolis police chief has said the fatal shooting of Australian woman Justine Damond “shouldn’t have happened” and that it was the result of the actions and the flawed judgment of one officer.
US politician finding an angle

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Bachmann, speaking at a Republican hog roast in Waconia, Minnesota, on Wednesday, called Noor an “affirmative-action hire by the hijab-wearing mayor of Minneapolis”, the Star Tribune reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-police-chief
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Old Today, 12:08 AM   #522
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Because it's only towlheaded reffos that shoot innocent citizens.
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Old Today, 12:32 AM   #523
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Originally Posted by Aber View Post
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US politician finding an angle

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Bachmann, speaking at a Republican hog roast in Waconia, Minnesota, on Wednesday, called Noor an “affirmative-action hire by the hijab-wearing mayor of Minneapolis”, the Star Tribune reported.

I knew it!!!

They're cannibals.
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Old Today, 01:39 AM   #524
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Originally Posted by Ernie M View Post
Most human eyes have a better dynamic range than the camera sensors used in the DailyMail article. At least in people aged 40 and younger.

So I wonder if the video and photos are darker and less detailed than what the officers saw that night?

I believe it's highly probable that the officers saw better detail–more dynamic range, more brightness, less glare– than what's represented in the video and photos in the DailyMail article, EXCLUSIVE: Shot in the dark - how Justine Damond was killed by 'startled' cop when she was in the shadows at the bottom of virtually unlit alley.

*I know it was night–and dark–so please don't tear me apart for pointing out a subtle detail*
That was my first thoughts as well.
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Old Today, 02:23 AM   #525
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Is the learning point going to be;

A - members of the public should not approach the police in dark alleyways because they should know a cop may feel threatened by their presence and shoot them
B - cops should make sure they are under a genuine threat before they shoot and be prepared to take on more risk to themselves, so as to not to kill innocents
c - both of the above
D - neither of the above
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Old Today, 03:03 AM   #526
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Originally Posted by Yeggster View Post
Is that true in (any) other (non police) scenarios though?

I think most professionals are not treated the same as civilians when it comes to failure on the job.

If I (as a completely untrained civilian) got in an airplane managed, and to take off somehow ... and then crashed it into a park killing a few people ... would I be treated equally with a veteran pilot who crashed in the same area?

If I gave some random prescription drugs to a friend, got the dosage wrong or choses the wrong pills for their ailment and killed them, would I be treaded the same as a doctor or chemist who made the same mistake?

IF I found an important, dangerous or expensive package on the curb and decided to bring it to the address shown, but lost it on the way, would I be treated the same as a postal carrier?

If I threw my child in the air and dropped him on the concrete and he died ... would I be treated the same as a professional circus acrobat who did the same thing?

I'm not sure if they seem like silly examples ... but my point is professionals are often given more leniency the they mess up at their job.
Exactly police can not be held to the same standards we hold civilians to, that would be crazy and unrealistic. Police are naturally far more violent and irresponsible and as such need to be held to lower standards and excused for most of their excesses.
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Old Today, 03:06 AM   #527
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Originally Posted by shuize View Post
I'm not not defending the cops. But one fairly obvious way to avoid getting shot is to not run up to their patrol cars in dark alleys unannounced. Is that what this woman did? I don't know. As noted above, I read an earlier report that said she was talking with the driver side cop when the other cop shot her.
The best way to avoid getting shot is to simply deal with problems yourself and don't ever call the police. They are not going to do anything remotely helpful anyway.
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Old Today, 05:12 AM   #528
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Originally Posted by shuize View Post
I'm not not defending the cops. But one fairly obvious way to avoid getting shot is to not run up to their patrol cars in dark alleys unannounced. Is that what this woman did? I don't know. As noted above, I read an earlier report that said she was talking with the driver side cop when the other cop shot her.
For this situation, you should have just stuck to the first sentence.
1. Everytime we hear "one fairly obvious way to avoid getting" shot by the cops, someone does that 'fairly obvious way', like lying on the street with hands in the air, and then GETS SHOT.

2. She did announce herself, from what we *know, when she tapped on the side of the police car. She most probably said something while she was doing it. But one of the cops got scared and fired anyway.

* From what we know.... since they turned off their cameras and everything, all we have is the word of the cop that pulled the trigger... and his partner. Kinda defeating the purpose of 'lets put cameras on the cops so both cops and public will be reassured'.
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Originally Posted by shuize View Post
I'm not not defending the cops. But one fairly obvious way to avoid getting shot is to not run up to their patrol cars in dark alleys unannounced.
So, if you're being chased down a dark alley by a street gang and there's a police car ahead, do you (a) run up to the patrol car and risk getting shot, or (b) take your chances with the street gang? And if your answer is (b), then WTF is the point of having police?

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Old Today, 05:45 AM   #530
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
So, if you're being chased down a dark alley by a street gang and there's a police car ahead, do you (a) run up to the patrol car and risk getting shot, or (b) take your chances with the street gang? And if your answer is (b), then WTF is the point of having police?

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You just take your AR-15 over one shoulder, your M107 over the other, 1911 on one leg, Glock on the other, you wear your class 4 body armor and kevlar helmet, put the night vision goggles on .. both police and street gang will think twice about shooting at you. That's the American way.
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If the alley was so dark, how can Noor even see what's going on from the passenger side of a dark car interior?

He has to have reached well over and shot around his partner.

He cannot have been able to see very well if the alley was dark and all the vehicle lights were off and he was looking past his partner.

The pics and the video do not give me the impression that the alley was dark. It looks lit up just like any city street would be at night.
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Old Today, 07:05 AM   #532
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
If the alley was so dark, how can Noor even see what's going on from the passenger side of a dark car interior?

He has to have reached well over and shot around his partner.

He cannot have been able to see very well if the alley was dark and all the vehicle lights were off and he was looking past his partner.

The pics and the video do not give me the impression that the alley was dark. It looks lit up just like any city street would be at night.
Right, were the inside lights on? That would make it even harder to see out of the passenger side.

This is why I'm wondering if the Driver called "GUN" when he saw her. He said he was 'startled' by the woman.

The only way a cop would shoot relatively blind is if his partner called gun.

Passenger cop probably had his gun out because of the biker that passed them on the passenger side. They were worried about an ambush according to something I read above.

Possible scenario: Passenger is looking in the passenger rear view mirror, watching the bike rider, gun in both hands between his legs in front of him. Driver sees woman approach car yells GUN GUN GUN!, partner picks up and shoots without waiting for any other inputs.
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Old Today, 07:30 AM   #533
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One aspect I also wonder about: the passenger side cop shot past his partner on the driver's side and out the driver's side window. Was he reaching all the way across his partner and out the window? If not that shot had to pass uncomfortably close to his partner, maybe even burning him with the gunpowder flash. Lucy he didn't kill his partner.
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
One aspect I also wonder about: the passenger side cop shot past his partner on the driver's side and out the driver's side window. Was he reaching all the way across his partner and out the window? If not that shot had to pass uncomfortably close to his partner, maybe even burning him with the gunpowder flash. Lucy he didn't kill his partner.

Aren't they both likely to have suffered hearing damage?
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Training for police is more terrorist focused than neighborhood focused now.

Most training for officers now involves assaulting barricaded gunmen, moving forward, negating a target quickly.

I wonder if this has any bearing on how the situation was handled.
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Aren't they both likely to have suffered hearing damage?
I doubt the shooter was thinking that far ahead.
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