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Old 11th September 2019, 05:55 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I've given you the answer to the problem. You have to work back from it to get the math. This isn't my field, I'm a code writer. I suggest you make your friend read this entire thread and see if she can derive an equation from it.
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Old 11th September 2019, 05:57 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
The problem I answered is "Where is the bridge between large and small?"
Sure you did Joe. Sure you did.
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Old 11th September 2019, 06:00 PM   #443
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I'm reinventing duality and uncertainty
Go for it! I'm pretty sure the patents have expired by now...
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I said it before. Quantum physics is literally made of math. If you want to get anywhere in the field, you need to master the math.
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I have what the math will end up describing
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Thumbs down "Where is the bridge between large and small?" gibberish

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The problem I answered is "Where is the bridge between large and small?"
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: "Where is the bridge between large and small?" gibberish
Stories ignorant about physics are not an answer to any problem in physics.

There is no such problem in physics. The "bridge between small and large" is QM (the theory of small things and scales) becoming classical physics (the theory of large things and scales).
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Old 11th September 2019, 06:09 PM   #447
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I have what the math will end up describing
Prove it.
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A "I have what the math will end up describing" delusion

Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I have what the math will end up describing
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "I have what the math will end up describing" delusion.

What you have posted in this thread are rather incoherent stories that are ignorant about physics. There cannot be any math describing what you imagine.
You have admitted that you are incapable of turning your stories into math. Everyone who has learned physics and math reading the stories will dismiss them as fiction so no math from anyone else.
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Old 11th September 2019, 06:21 PM   #449
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No one wants to accept that the final panel doesn't count even though that's what the evidence shows. Go ahead and keep your head in the sand.
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Thumbs down A "what the evidence shows" lie about the double slit experiment screen

Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
No one wants to accept that the final panel doesn't count even though that's what the evidence shows.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "what the evidence shows" lie about the double slit experiment screen.

An obvious lie because the point of the experiment is to detect where particles end up on that screen ! The screen literally counts particles and their positions.
A lie because he has presented no evidence from physics showing that the double slit experiment screen doesn't count.
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Old 11th September 2019, 06:41 PM   #451
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the evidence is that the state of the particles are not influenced by the final panel while moving.

If you have to rely on the final panel for anything, it means the particle was a wave experiment. It wasn't quantum observed.

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Thumbs down A "state of the particles do not change while moving if the panel is not there" lie

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the evidence is that the state of the particles do not change while moving if the panel is not there
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "what the evidence shows" lie about the double slit experiment screen.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "state of the particles do not change while moving if the panel is not there" evidence lie.

A lie because he has presented no such evidence.
A partial lie because that is not what experiments showing the state of the particles changing in flight really do. Wheeler's delayed choice experiment shows that particles change how they act ("change state') after they pass through the slits by replacing the screen. Etc.

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no, you don't get to say that this time.
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Old 11th September 2019, 06:57 PM   #454
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12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "what the evidence shows" lie about the double slit experiment screen.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "state of the particles do not change while moving if the panel is not there" evidence lie.

Maybe labeling these as lies is wrong. Given the deep level of ignorance of physics shown elsewhere, could pittsburghjoe not know the meaning of evidence in physics?
Evidence is not what people imagine and write down in stories - that is called fiction.
Evidence is a theory making testable, falsifiable predictions and experiments that test those predictions with actual measurements.
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Old 11th September 2019, 07:08 PM   #455
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The evidence is in existing experiments. I don't have to write an equation to state that.


After you accept what I said, it will slowly sink in that uncertainty is for waves and duality is not at the same time.

I imagine you are pissing your pants right about now.

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Old 11th September 2019, 07:16 PM   #456
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
The evidence is in existing experiments. I don't have to write an equation to state that.
If the existing experiments confirm predictions for the existing models and you reject those models then of course you have to provide new equations.

I don't get how you don't get that.
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If I can say "hey dummies, you haven't been considering something". I am not obligated to write a new equation. I'm fine with them just being dead now.
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
If I can say "hey dummies, you haven't been considering something". I am not obligated to write a new equation. I'm fine with them just being dead now.
The something that hasn't been considered has to be in the form of an equation. That's how it works.
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Old 11th September 2019, 07:24 PM   #459
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No one wants to accept that the final panel doesn't count even though that's what the evidence shows. Go ahead and keep your head in the sand.
I love how these guys attempt to become more and more cocky the more it becomes obvious that their "theory" has fallen apart and into an embarrassing heap.
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Old 11th September 2019, 07:25 PM   #460
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The something that hasn't been considered has to be in the form of an equation. That's how it works.

Apparently not, I just did it.


and you are not getting that I benefit from their deaths

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I let you guys beat me up a bit, but then I realized I really do have something here. It's not going away just because some trolls wanted to have some fun.
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Old 11th September 2019, 07:31 PM   #462
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If I can say "hey dummies, you haven't been considering something". I am not obligated to write a new equation. I'm fine with them just being dead now.
As far as I can see we have considered everything you have put forward and questioned you about all of them very closely. You didn't respond well to being questioned.

You are not bringing up your misunderstanding about the final panel in the double-slit experiment again are you? We already went over that.

So what exactly is it that you think we are not considering?
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the evidence is that the state of the particles are not influenced by the final panel while moving.

If you have to rely on the final panel for anything, it means the particle was a wave experiment. It wasn't quantum observed.
I don't think you grasped the weight of it the first time around. Surely you are not claiming to have knocked it down?

Two very important deaths happened because of me.

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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I let you guys beat me up a bit, but then I realized I really do have something here.
Sure you do Joe. Sure you do.
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I don't think you grasped the weight of it the first time around. Surely you are not claiming to have knocked it down?
I am not aware of you having put anything up in the first place.
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I don't think you grasped the weight of it the first time around. Surely you are not claiming to have knocked it down?

Two very important deaths happened because of me.
Yeah, nah.
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Old 11th September 2019, 07:41 PM   #467
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Two very important deaths happened because of me.
Sure they did Joe, sure they did.

You don't have any maths, can't even give a high level description of how it is all supposed to work, but you have killed duality and uncertainty.
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I don't need a f'n equation when I have experimental evidence (existing experiments) ..showing what I said about the final panel. They are dead ..deal with it.
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
Apparently not, I just did it.
No... no you didn't. If you had, it would have been in the form of an equation. It wasn't, therefore you didn't.

Quantum physics is made of math. If you want to claim that it's wrong, you have to use math to do so. If you want to replace it with something of your own, you have to use math to do so. Until you master the math, you're just not doing quantum physics.

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and you are not getting that I benefit from their deaths
...whose deaths now?

*backs away slowly*
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I don't need a f'n equation when I have experimental evidence (existing experiments) ..showing what I said about the final panel.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "what the evidence shows" lie about the double slit experiment screen.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "state of the particles do not change while moving if the panel is not there" evidence lie.
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I don't want them to exist in the first place. I don't need an equation to replace them. They were dumb.
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Basically you are claiming the success of your theory based on a misunderstanding you have about the double-slit experiment, even after that thing had been explained to you.
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
The evidence is in existing experiments.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "what the evidence shows" lie about the double slit experiment screen.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "state of the particles do not change while moving if the panel is not there" evidence lie.

No existing experiment supports his fantasy that particles "know" the future (implying intelligent particles with crystal balls !) when they are created.

ETA: What really makes this a fantasy is the thread title. His story does not kill the uncertainty principle or wave-particle duality and has nothing to do with his "theory of everything" fantasy. He has particles deciding on whether to be act as a wave or a particle on creation - that is essentially wave-particle duality !

Here is my little fiction that is as valid as his! A particle sees a "final panel" (the final panel he states does not count!) in its future so it acts as a wave going through both slits and ends up in the final panel. Somehow the next particle sees the final panel and the path of the previous particle, acts as a wave going through both slits along a different path and ends up in the final panel. Ditto for each particle until an interference pattern is formed.
Repeat the experiment changing to detecting which slit each particles goes thru. Now the particle crystal balls see that they will be seen gong thru the slits. Being shy creatures they now act as particles.

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What misunderstanding?
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I don't want them to exist in the first place. I don't need an equation to replace them. They were dumb.
Yeah, who needs mathematics for physics?
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It was missing one of the realms. It was pointless.
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What misunderstanding?
Your misunderstanding about the role of the back panel in the standard double-slit experiment.

You seemed to be under the impression that someone was saying that the back panel in the standard double-slit experiment alters the path of the particle.

I thought we had gone over that already.
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jesus christ, I give up
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Thumbs down Vague post but looks like a delusion and/or lie about QM

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It was missing one of the realms. It was pointless.
12 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: Vague post but looks like a delusion and/or lie about QM.

This "realm" nonsense could be the "realms" of QM and GR. QM is a theory of mechanics that excludes gravitation. Saying that QM is pointless is as deluded as saying that Newton's laws of motion are pointless because Newton's law of gravitation is a separate "realm".

The lie is that QM is pointless. The Standard Model of particle physics explains the real world quite accurately (it has some flaws) - QM has the point that it makes sense of the real world! Science is a process - QM has the point of being a step on the way to an actual theory of everything. The computer he is writing his posts on is evidence that QM is not pointless!

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Don't give up. Show the correction in the math and make your story a theory.
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