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Old 12th September 2019, 06:00 PM   #601
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Thumbs down A fantasy about quantum wave "structure" preventing tunneling

Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
...If they had structure, they would never tunnel or fit in in holes that are smaller than their size.
13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A fantasy about quantum wave "structure" preventing tunneling.

First year physics students at university solve Schrodinger's equation for particles in potential wells and see that the "quantum waves" have structure. These derivations are easily found.
Particle in a box (infinite potential well) (quantum waves with the structure of sine waves.
Finite potential well has quantum waves with the structure of sine waves inside the box and decreasing exponentials outside of the box. That is gives tunneling!
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Any answer on this?
an electron can be physical
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I don't want to rain on your parade. I want you to tell my why you think you haven't convinced even a single person in 5 years.
have you been on the internet before?
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Old 12th September 2019, 06:01 PM   #604
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I take it you want to rain on my parade? You want to claim physicality for waves? Go ahead, I was expecting it from one of you.
A parade takes more than one participant.
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Old 12th September 2019, 06:02 PM   #605
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
have you been on the internet before?
And the reason you think you haven't convinced anyone is...?
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I'm flipping physics on its head here. It's not exactly considered with opened arms.

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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I take it you want to rain on my parade? You want to claim physicality for waves? Go ahead, I was expecting it from one of you.
Nothing we are saying depends on this question.

Quantum physics does not depend on this question.

Killing wave/physical duality has no effect on quantum physics because wave/physical duality (whatever you think you mean by that) isn't in quantum physics.
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Old 12th September 2019, 06:08 PM   #608
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I'm flipping physics on it's head here. It's not exactly considered with opened arms.
Did you do that while whipping your weight in wild cats, Or while you tree'd a bear?

I dig funny fairy tales. You've got a bunch.
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Old 12th September 2019, 06:09 PM   #609
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
an electron can be physical
The question was "When you saw an electron, what did it look like? How big was it?"
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Thumbs down Idiocy of trying to "convince the internet" about his wave fantasies

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I've literally spent 5 years trying to convince the internet that waves are not physical.
13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: Idiocy of trying to "convince the internet" about his wave fantasies.

Main idiocy of trying to "convince the internet" when science is established by convincing scientists.
Minor idiocy of not understanding that 5 years of beating a horse suggests that he is beating a dead horse ! He is saying that he is persisting with his stories after 5 years of not being able to convince people on the internet that they are valid.
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Nothing we are saying depends on this question.

Quantum physics does not depend on this question.

Killing wave/physical duality has no effect on quantum physics because wave/physical duality (whatever you think you mean by that) isn't in quantum physics.
just give arthwollipot a minute
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The question was "When you saw an electron, what did it look like? How big was it?"
I owned a CRT monitor ..what are you getting at?
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I'm flipping physics on its head here. It's not exactly considered with opened arms.
No, you are killing a thing you made up called "wave/physical" duality and claiming to have killed it somehow

This does not affect physics in any way because the concept does not form any part of physics.
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Old 12th September 2019, 06:15 PM   #614
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I owned a CRT monitor ..what are you getting at?
Answer the questions and you will see. What did the electron look like? How big was it?
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So, before you can kill these things, we have to agree for "waves are not physical and particles are physical" to be added to quantum physics. Right?
I would first get his definition of a "wave". Is he using something like a water wave? An electromagnetic wave? A gravitational wave? Something else? What his "wave" waving in?

His "particle" is hopefully the textbook definition.

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No, you are killing a thing you made up called "wave/physical" duality and claiming to have killed it somehow

This does not affect physics in any way because the concept does not form any part of physics.


I like your optimism. I don't care as long as something doesn't get in the way of my realms.
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I have owned many CRT monitors but I have never seen an electron.
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Old 12th September 2019, 06:18 PM   #618
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I'm flipping physics on its head here. It's not exactly considered with opened arms.
Revolutionary ideas can and do gain traction in the world of physics. Quantum uncertainty and quantum duality were two such revolutionary ideas that encountered great resistance in the scientific community at the time. Einstein himself was certain that quantum mechanics could not be correct, saying Die Quantenmechanik ist sehr achtung-gebietend. Aber eine innere Stimme sagt mir, daß das doch nicht der wahre Jakob ist. Die Theorie liefert viel, aber dem Geheimnis des Alten bringt sie uns kaum näher. Jedenfalls bin ich überzeugt, daß der nicht würfelt.

'Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the "old one." I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice.'

But eventually, a few at a time, people came around to understand that QM was an accurate model of the universe. It made testable predictions that when tested turned out to be correct.

So I ask you again. Why do you think no-one has been convinced by your argument?
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Because there weren't going to bother with a nobody telling them to set up a tunneling experiment with detectors on both sides of the barrier
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Because there weren't going to bother with a nobody telling them to set up a tunneling experiment with detectors on both sides of the barrier
If you had a truly revolutionary idea, don't you think they would bother?
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
They dgaf, no one does
Why do you think that might be the case?
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to them, it's impossible for a nobody to have an idea
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to them, it's impossible for a nobody to have an idea
Do you really think that? Einstein was a lowly patent clerk before he revolutionised our understanding of physics. A nobody. Why did Einstein succeed where you have not?
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
to them, it's impossible for a nobody to have an idea
Do you think every famous scientist began life famous?
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He didn't have to deal with this BS https://arxiv.org/help/endorsement
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He didn't have to deal with this BS https://arxiv.org/help/endorsement
Why do you think arXiv has those endorsement rules?
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Isn't this basically pilot wave theory (which is over 90 years old), with the pilot waves scribbled out and "the emitter/path just knows because it can peer through space and even time... itself!" written in? And no math?
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Why do you think arXiv has those endorsement rules?
You are crossing the line to troll now
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Isn't this basically pilot wave theory (which is over 90 years old), with the pilot waves scribbled out and "the emitter/path just knows because it can peer through space and even time... itself!" written in? And no math?
I considered this, but then realized that the path isn't being scouted. What matters is if the wave changes state while alive.

The state is set before it starts moving.

The unobserved realm is all time, all the time.

I guess this means observation isn't as important as I once thought.

Placing a detector in the path is just one of several avenues to cause observation (state change)

A wave changing state from a detector must be different than a wave collapsing on the final panel

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Because there weren't going to bother with a nobody telling them to set up a tunneling experiment with detectors on both sides of the barrier
Wrong. They have bothered with "nobodies" that have presented credible theories and actual experiments to test them.

They do not bother with nobodies who display ignorance of their subject, present an obviously invalid theory (e.g. a "theory of everything" that has no QM or GR in it!) and has no idea what an experiment is.

Of course there is the usual ignorance. Quantum tunneling: "Tunnelling occurs with barriers of thickness around 1–3 nm and smaller,[18] but is the cause of some important macroscopic physical phenomena.". It may be physically impossible to have detectors on both sides of the barrier. However those important macroscopic physical phenomena tell us that tunneling is happening.
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You are crossing the line to troll now
I'm serious. Why do you think arXiv has those rules? If you can't answer this question, you have no basis to label it BS.
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Waves are allowed to tunnel
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I'm serious. Why do you think arXiv has those rules? If you can't answer this question, you have no basis to label it BS.
It's "the man" keepin' me down
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He didn't have to deal with this BS https://arxiv.org/help/endorsement
13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: Idiocy about arxiv and the arxiv endorsement system.

arXiv is a convenience for real scientists. arXiv allows scientists to inform other scientists quicker about the scientific papers that they are about to publish. The endorsement system was introduced in 2004 partially because of too many pseudoscience pre-prints being submitted.

There is nothing to deal with for a competent person. The first time that they submit a pre-print in a subject area, they ask an established arXiv author to endorse that their paper is on that subject area. There can be automatic endorsement for authors with academic credentials. That is all !

This is a rational decision to make the job of the arXiv moderators easier.
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Waves are allowed to tunnel
13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "Waves are allowed to tunnel" delusion since particles tunnel.

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13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: Lies about arXiv and the arXiv endorsement system.

The arXiv endorsement system is explained in the page he lined to. He does not need to go to school other than to fix the deep level of ignorance of physics he has displayed here!

Anyone can submit just about anything to arXiv. What academic credentials do is make it easier to submit the first preprint in a category because there can be (not will be) automatic endorsement for the first pre-print submitted.
Endorsement makes sure that the subject of the first preprint fits the submission's subject area. A biology preprint does not belong in a solid state physics area, etc. .
Endorsement makes sure that the subject of the first preprint is of interest to current research. A QM preprint (that is a not a review) rehashing what researcher already know is not of interest.

ETA: Moderation is different. Moderators check for papers with inappropriate formatting or topic, papers in need of “significant review and revision”, or concerns over copyright, duplicated submissions or multiple postings in quick succession and being human occasionally make errors as in that article (looks like a moderator peer-reviewed the paper which they are not supposed to do).

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It's "the man" keepin' me down
Now I suspect you're no longer being serious. Think about it for a while, would you? Please?
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