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Old 4th December 2018, 07:13 AM   #81
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I am grateful that the numerous pieces of Trump stupidity, Trump lies and Trump corruption only reflect poorly on Trump himself instead of the nation as a whole.
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Old 4th December 2018, 07:24 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Don't be surprised if this is how it actually plays out: You know, like North Korea is "no longer a nuclear threat".
Are you sure that's the example you meant to use?
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Old 4th December 2018, 07:26 AM   #83
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He's not as bad as I thought he would be.
He's actually pretty ineffective at getting things done.
He may make some progressives/liberals appreciate federalism and limited government more, especially limited executive authority.

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Old 4th December 2018, 07:42 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
He's not as bad as I thought he would be.
He's actually pretty ineffective at getting things done.
He may make some progressives/liberals appreciate federalism and limited government more, especially limited executive authority.
Yes,
Also, I trusted the system to correct for Trump if he was truly terrible, which it is turning out, he isn't. If he was truly doing terrible things, the Dems would have taken the Senate and bolstered their majority in the house.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:09 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
Yes,
Also, I trusted the system to correct for Trump if he was truly terrible, which it is turning out, he isn't. If he was truly doing terrible things, the Dems would have taken the Senate and bolstered their majority in the house.
The President being terrible doesn't make his supporters smarter. They continue to find their way to the polls and remember that they are supposed to pull the lever for the one with the 'R'.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:18 AM   #86
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I'm grateful that Trump was able to get Xi to crack down on Fentanyl dealers in China.

Too many people are dying.

I'm sure that Trump is grateful for having found a foreign country to blame for a fraction of the 72,000 drug overdose deaths in the USA in 2017.
I'm not.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:23 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
The President being terrible doesn't make his supporters smarter. They continue to find their way to the polls and remember that they are supposed to pull the lever for the one with the 'R'.
Many of the people who voted for Trump, also voted for Obama.

Including myself, and the union voters in Michigan, who were unhappy with the trade deals.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:26 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
Yes,
Also, I trusted the system to correct for Trump if he was truly terrible, which it is turning out, he isn't. If he was truly doing terrible things, the Dems would have taken the Senate and bolstered their majority in the house.
Ah yes, because the US public -- a demographic that skews dimwitted -- is now the wellspring of wisdom.

They say Putin is quite popular in Russia.

Trump rocks. That's why a lot of people voted for him and his minions. Hence Trump rocks. Hmm I think there's a fallacy...

It's uncommon to see circular logic where the circle is so perfectly drawn, there's no geometric imperfections to smooth away.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:31 AM   #89
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I am grateful that Trump is mortal.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:33 AM   #90
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So I wouldn't be dimwitted if I had voted for Hillary?

Next time I will vote your way, so I won't be considered dimwitted.
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I think there's probably a middle ground in there somewhere.

One can disagree with Trump on massive levels to the point of honestly considering his Presidency dangerous (as I do) while still understanding the nerve he hit with some parts of the American populace.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:37 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
Many of the people who voted for Trump, also voted for Obama.

Including myself, and the union voters in Michigan, who were unhappy with the trade deals.
Many more did not. Trump is spectacularly unsuited to do...anything, IMO and the opinions of many others. It's not a partisan thing. It is that the individual's past is not indicative of someone fit to hold the office.

The issue with the President is not R v D. It's that we don't want drooling idiots expect dignity and prudence from our elected officials.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:41 AM   #93
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I'm grateful that Trump has fully exposed the GOP for the lying, corrupt, cancer that they've become. Hopefully while there are still enough good people and solid institutions to defeat it.

He is a lelouch of the rebellion minus the intent.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:45 AM   #94
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It's that we don't want drooling idiots expect dignity and prudence from our elected officials.
The day he announced his candidacy, I knew his dignity and prudence only qualified him for Kennedy-type positions in government.

Unless you mean "the appearance of dignity and prudence".
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:53 AM   #95
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I think there's probably a middle ground in there somewhere.

One can disagree with Trump on massive levels to the point of honestly considering his Presidency dangerous (as I do) while still understanding the nerve he hit with some parts of the American populace.
Wait what? That's crazy talk.
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Old 4th December 2018, 08:58 AM   #96
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The day he announced his candidacy, I knew his dignity and prudence only qualified him for Kennedy-type positions in government.

Unless you mean "the appearance of dignity and prudence".
I mean any passing resemblance to dignity and prudence. I say without hyperbole that he lacks the class needed to clean the White House toilets. This is the champion of Birtherism we are talking about, who brags about deadbeating on his debts.
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Old 4th December 2018, 09:17 AM   #97
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So I wouldn't be dimwitted if I had voted for Hillary?

Next time I will vote your way, so I won't be considered dimwitted.
I pointed out legitimate (and glaring) flaws in your logic. It would behoove you to digest the criticism, rather than fast forward to this sort of infantility.

Sometimes criticism is unpleasant, like when it comes from a wise ass. Whatever, knowledge is more important than passing ruffled feelings.
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Old 4th December 2018, 09:51 AM   #98
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...has a much bigger ass than I do.
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Old 5th December 2018, 08:21 AM   #99
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Ah yes, because the US public -- a demographic that skews dimwitted -- is now the wellspring of wisdom.
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Let's not forget we're talking Trump voters. The verb "skew" is an understatement. You're asking critical thinkers to assign weight to the opinions of a minority segment of the population that is so disconnected from reality as to be a not-so-funny joke. Irrational, frightened, fact-free, educationally disadvantaged, bigoted, evangelical cultists, in significant part.

If you've been asleep for an extremely long period of time, ala Rip Van Winkle, I'll dredge up some opinions polls indicating how many of these people believe in actual angels from heaven, biblical Armageddon, Obama wasn't born in the USA, global warming is a hoax, etc. Better yet, dredge them up yourself.

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Old 6th December 2018, 12:36 PM   #100
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I am grateful that the numerous pieces of Trump stupidity, Trump lies and Trump corruption only reflect poorly on Trump himself instead of the nation as a whole.
Are you sure about that?
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I mean any passing resemblance to dignity and prudence. I say without hyperbole that he lacks the class needed to clean the White House toilets. This is the champion of Birtherism we are talking about, who brags about deadbeating on his debts.

Not to mention the physique, attention span and qualifications...
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Old 6th December 2018, 01:16 PM   #102
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With a normal job, he would have ended up as that guy in Hillbilly Elegy who spent his workdays taking endless bathroom bteaks and railed at his boss when he was fired.
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Old 6th December 2018, 01:18 PM   #103
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Beat Hillary
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Old 6th December 2018, 03:50 PM   #104
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I am grateful that the numerous pieces of Trump stupidity, Trump lies and Trump corruption only reflect poorly on Trump himself instead of the nation as a whole.
I'm afraid this one isn't true.
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I fear I cannot participate as it is too difficult to provide one that will not get me removed. On the bright side, some of my previous work on the subject is certainly still here for your delight and edification!!!!!
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I'm afraid this one isn't true.
True. those who voted for it are equally at fault. No matter how bad anyone thinks Hillary was, any bad of hers was far better than all that is his.
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