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Old 24th November 2018, 11:39 AM   #1041
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Excerpts from Trump's Fox interview, annotated.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/polit...iew/index.html
The sad part is, none of this is eye popping anymore. If any other president gave this kind of interview, we'd be shocked and worried. But this is just another example of the "new normal" in Trumplandia.
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Old 25th November 2018, 09:46 AM   #1042
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The sad part is, none of this is eye popping anymore. If any other president gave this kind of interview, we'd be shocked and worried. But this is just another example of the "new normal" in Trumplandia.
Plenty of us are shocked and worried. Just not surprised.
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Old 25th November 2018, 09:56 AM   #1043
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The sad part is, none of this is eye popping anymore. If any other president gave this kind of interview, we'd be shocked and worried. But this is just another example of the "new normal" in Trumplandia.
Just that we can't be outraged at every least thing the trump throws at us doesn't mean we don't care. I don't get surprised when I hear of someone being raped, but I still loathe the fact that it happens so often.

The US is getting more and more fed up with Trump, too. I imagine that even to his staunchest defenders, it's just getting too hard to handwave or defend all the things he says and does, [eta:] regardless of how much your stance is that "he might be a son of a *****, but he's our son of a *****".
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Old 25th November 2018, 10:01 AM   #1044
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Here's a 'diagnosis' from a historian...

Originally Posted by Historian
superficial, hasty, restless, unable to relax, without any deeper level of seriousness, without any desire for hard work or drive to see things through to the end, without any sense of sobriety, for balance and boundaries, or even for reality and real problems, uncontrollable and scarcely capable of learning from experience, desperate for applause and success,— he wanted every day to be his birthday— theatrical, unsure and arrogant, with an immeasurably exaggerated self-confidence and desire to show off, brashly wanted to play the part of the supreme warlord, full of panicky fear
Damn, that cuts to the core...

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Old 25th November 2018, 10:17 AM   #1045
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Old 27th November 2018, 07:21 PM   #1046
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More rants:
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In a wide-ranging and sometimes discordant 20-minute interview with The Washington Post, Trump complained at length about Federal Reserve Chair Jerome H. “Jay” Powell, whom he nominated last year. When asked about declines on Wall Street and GM’s announcement that it was laying off 15 percent of its workforce, Trump responded by criticizing higher interest rates and other Fed policies, though he insisted that he is not worried about a recession.

“I’m doing deals, and I’m not being accommodated by the Fed,” Trump said. “They’re making a mistake because I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else’s brain can ever tell me.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...?noredirect=on

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“One of the problems that a lot of people like myself, we have very high levels of intelligence but we’re not necessarily such believers,” Trump said during a freewheeling 20-minute Oval Office interview with The Washington Post in which he was asked why he was skeptical of the dire National Climate Assessment his administration released Friday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...?noredirect=on
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Old 27th November 2018, 10:32 PM   #1047
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Why not interview the next random vagrant indigent loonie in the street. You get as much sense, if not more, out of them.
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Old 27th November 2018, 10:51 PM   #1048
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And that line was shortly followed with “You look at our air and our water and it's right now at a record clean.“ Again, he displays a child-like understanding of a complex issue. He doesn’t understand that one can have very pollution-free air but still have increasing amounts of CO2. Alternatively, it is possible that he does understand climate change very well and he is making stupid comments to play to his base, but I think the preponderance of the evidence indicates he is in way over his depth.

I think more and more people understand that the emperor has no clothes, but, as is the case in the story, are afraid to say it publicly. I suspect there is some critical mass and once that level is reached, all but the Kool-Aid drinkers will admit how ill-equipped he is for the job.
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Old 27th November 2018, 11:56 PM   #1049
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And that line was shortly followed with “You look at our air and our water and it's right now at a record clean.“ Again, he displays a child-like understanding of a complex issue. He doesn’t understand that one can have very pollution-free air but still have increasing amounts of CO2. Alternatively, it is possible that he does understand climate change very well and he is making stupid comments to play to his base, but I think the preponderance of the evidence indicates he is in way over his depth.

I think more and more people understand that the emperor has no clothes, but, as is the case in the story, are afraid to say it publicly. I suspect there is some critical mass and once that level is reached, all but the Kool-Aid drinkers will admit how ill-equipped he is for the job.
Has the idiot stopped to think* that maybe this is due to the previous regulations put in place that he and his appointees have gutted?

*rhetorical question.
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Old 28th November 2018, 10:56 AM   #1050
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And that line was shortly followed with “You look at our air and our water and it's right now at a record clean.“ Again, he displays a child-like understanding of a complex issue. He doesn’t understand that one can have very pollution-free air but still have increasing amounts of CO2. Alternatively, it is possible that he does understand climate change very well and he is making stupid comments to play to his base, but I think the preponderance of the evidence indicates he is in way over his depth.

I think more and more people understand that the emperor has no clothes, but, as is the case in the story, are afraid to say it publicly. I suspect there is some critical mass and once that level is reached, all but the Kool-Aid drinkers will admit how ill-equipped he is for the job.
I don't see how anyone can continue to deny that Trump's willful ignorance and delusions of grandeur are extremely dangerous, not just to the country but to the world. We've beaten the word "diagnosis" to death in this thread, but as the evidence piles up, the "theory" that his bizarre behavior is the result of a dangerous mental illness does not have any serious competition.
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Old 28th November 2018, 12:34 PM   #1051
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Has the idiot stopped to think* that maybe this is due to the previous regulations put in place that he and his appointees have gutted?

*rhetorical question.

I've repeatedly heard people say "Why do we need the FDA? Our food is safe now."
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Old 28th November 2018, 03:57 PM   #1052
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I've repeatedly heard people say "Why do we need the FDA? Our food is safe now."
Are they the same ones saying kids don't need to be vaccinated because we haven't had a case of smallpox in years?
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:52 PM   #1053
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I've repeatedly heard people say "Why do we need the FDA? Our food is safe now."

Do they throw out all the food in their house after eating, too? They obviously won't be needing it anymore, since they're no longer hungry.
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Old 4th December 2018, 10:09 PM   #1054
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A new interview with Dr. Lee:
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Raw Story: In your opinion, what are the emotions driving Donald Trump’s base?

Bandy X. Lee: The sense of grandiose omnipotence that he displays seems especially appealing to his emotionally-needy followers. No matter what the world says, he fights back against criticism, continues to lie in the face of truth, and above all is still president. What matters is that he is winning, not whether he is honest or law-abiding. This may seem puzzling to the rest of us, but when you are overcome with feelings of powerlessness, this type of cartoonish, exaggerated force is often more important than true ability. This is the more primitive morality, as we call it, of “might makes right,” which in normal development you grow out of by age five.
https://www.salon.com/2018/12/04/tru...-says_partner/
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Old 4th December 2018, 10:23 PM   #1055
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Interesting, but I would quibble, Trump says he's winning and people believe that lie as well. If you look closer, he isn't really.

The bubble will soon pop. Mexico didn't fund any wall. Creating a demon (immigrants at the border) then slaying them is not something I define as winning. And Mueller is closing in.
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Old 5th December 2018, 01:09 AM   #1056
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I agree with Dr. Lee's assessment. In the eyes of those who live in reality, Trump is not 'winning' the way he was the first year in office. But to his base, who tend to watch FOX News and believe whatever Trump tweets/says, he is winning because he's still in office and the Mueller investigation has not released any "collusion" directly involving Trump. They believe Mueller has said nothing because he hasn't got anything which is what Trump tells them over and over again. His base truly believes in him because he gives them what they need emotionally. Or think they do.
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Old 6th December 2018, 11:24 PM   #1057
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Are they the same ones saying kids don't need to be vaccinated because we haven't had a case of smallpox in years?
Assuredly indeed they are!!!!
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Old 6th December 2018, 11:26 PM   #1058
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Interesting, but I would quibble, Trump says he's winning and people believe that lie as well. If you look closer, he isn't really.

The bubble will soon pop. Mexico didn't fund any wall. Creating a demon (immigrants at the border) then slaying them is not something I define as winning. And Mueller is closing in.
You misspelled whining in your first sentence...….
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Old 7th December 2018, 09:08 AM   #1059
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Lol. She's moved from diagnosing someone from their Twitter feed, to diagnosing hypothetical people she knows nothing about at all.
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Only one person she knows voted for Trump. Where the rest of them are, who knows? They are beyond her ken. But sometimes in a theater she can feel them.
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Old 7th December 2018, 02:53 PM   #1061
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Lol. She's moved from diagnosing someone from their Twitter feed, to diagnosing hypothetical people she knows nothing about at all.


And talking about their emotions. How can she possibly know his emotions?


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Old 7th December 2018, 04:47 PM   #1062
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Just noticed this at Snopes:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oc...d-brain-trump/

Even though now mis-attributed to Ocasio-Cortez at least we have Donald's reassurance that we should not be concerned about his mental status.
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Just noticed this at Snopes:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oc...d-brain-trump/

Even though now mis-attributed to Ocasio-Cortez at least we have Donald's reassurance that we should not be concerned about his mental status.
Hysterical that those trying to discredit Ocasio-Cortez used one of their Dear Leader's own quotes. It came back to bite them in the ass.
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Just noticed this at Snopes:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oc...d-brain-trump/

Even though now mis-attributed to Ocasio-Cortez at least we have Donald's reassurance that we should not be concerned about his mental status.
An assessment I question the same way I question the Yale group, and for much the same reason.
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Hysterical that those trying to discredit Ocasio-Cortez used one of their Dear Leader's own quotes. It came back to bite them in the ass.
It's not biting them in the ass at all. Republicans will continue to believe the lie; they're good at that.
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An assessment I question the same way I question the Yale group, and for much the same reason.

What do you question?!
Do you question that Ocasio-Cortez didn't actually say what the meme claims that she said?
Or do you question that your dear leader was actually the one who said it? (You know, the Moron in Chief who thinks that he's a "very stable genius" who has "one of the hightest" IQs ...)
And why exactly do you question it? Have you been sharing the alleged Ocasio-Cortez meme online?

The worst thing about Trump's mental illness is that it seems to be contagious.
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What do you question?!

Do you question that Ocasio-Cortez didn't actually say what the meme claims that she said?

Or do you question that your dear leader was actually the one who said it? (You know, the Moron in Chief who thinks that he's a "very stable genius" who has "one of the hightest" IQs ...)

And why exactly do you question it? Have you been sharing the alleged Ocasio-Cortez meme online?



The worst thing about Trump's mental illness is that it seems to be contagious.

Did you accidentally misread or are you purposefully twisting to suit your argument?


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Here's a 'diagnosis' from a historian...



Damn, that cuts to the core...

certainly a perfect description of the orange lump trumpf !!!!!!!
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It's not biting them in the ass at all. Republicans will continue to believe the lie; they're good at that.
And devouring dead animal carcasses raw. Particularly skunks.
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What do you question?!
Trump's assessment that he has a very good brain. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Did you accidentally misread or are you purposefully twisting to suit your argument?


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It's not biting them in the ass at all. Republicans will continue to believe the lie; they're good at that.
Not all Republicans have their blinders on so securely as others.
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