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Old 28th November 2018, 06:32 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Probably comes down to the questions of 'how much of the Middle East', 'what is the Middle East', and 'what do you mean by stable'?
It probably should, but it obviously didn't.
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Old 28th November 2018, 06:44 PM   #482
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
It probably should, but it obviously didn't.
Probably a derail and I might just start a thread in History, but I'm curious; is there a time you would consider the Middle East to have been 'stable'?
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Old 28th November 2018, 06:53 PM   #483
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Probably a derail and I might just start a thread in History, but I'm curious; is there a time you would consider the Middle East to have been 'stable'?
I might be willing to consider the Sassanid period, if someone defined their terms and made a case.
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Old 28th November 2018, 06:55 PM   #484
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Since when has the Middle East EVER been stable?
It has been relatively stable many times, but in this context I would cite Iraq under Saddam.

ETA: I think the U.S., and yes, Obama, was naive about the Arab Spring.

ETA2: And while I think Israel has a right to exist, it's been a handy boogeyman for riling up Arabs & others. This has served Israel's purposes at times, too. A territorial dispute became a proxy for a much larger, more intractable conflict.

ETA3: A separate thread would be good. I'm sure I have a lot to learn.

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Old 28th November 2018, 10:31 PM   #485
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I bet not.
For the Ottoman Caliphs, any place that paid sufficient taxes was by definition at peace.
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Old 29th November 2018, 04:40 AM   #486
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I'm no expert but the British wanted them to stay out of Palestine and many were interred in refugee camps after being rescued from labor/death camps (or after camp guards just left). It's the plot of the book "Exodus," which is pretty much propaganda. I don't say that in a bad way, but the author was speaking as an advocate for Zionism or for a Jewish state. The Australian mainland was considered as well as the Australian island of Tasmania, which had been largely cleared of pesky aboriginals.
The point is that the people who are rejecting comparisons to the holocaust are taking positions that would have applied to when there were still options to it happening and would have encouraged it.
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For a more contemporary example of rejecting refugees, people who escape North Korea aren't really welcomed with open arms anywhere, that I know of.
South Korea I think but it is hard to get there from china which hates them.
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Old 29th November 2018, 11:44 AM   #487
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I might be willing to consider the Sassanid period, if someone defined their terms and made a case.
Thanks.

I was almost asleep last night when I realized that I had said 'Sasanid' when I was thinking of the Achaemenid Empire. It made me feel so stupid that I had to share with the class my mistake.
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Old 29th November 2018, 11:52 AM   #488
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Thanks.

I was almost asleep last night when I realized that I had said 'Sasanid' when I was thinking of the Achaemenid Empire. It made me feel so stupid that I had to share with the class my mistake.
Instead of feeling stupid I would feel pretty smart if I had any idea of the empire you are talking about.
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Old 29th November 2018, 12:02 PM   #489
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
Instead of feeling stupid I would feel pretty smart if I had any idea of the empire you are talking about.
Roughly speaking, I cited the second Persian Empire, when I was thinking of the first Persian Empire. I may have also cited the timescale of the Sasanid. In my defense, I had been researching Sasanid swords recently.

If I didn't know the difference, I would not have felt as stupid. That I full well know the difference and said the other one, that made me feel stupid.
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Which would match with the abuses claimed in this article: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opi...n-13418679.php
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Old 29th November 2018, 03:59 PM   #491
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Roughly speaking, I cited the second Persian Empire, when I was thinking of the first Persian Empire. I may have also cited the timescale of the Sasanid. In my defense, I had been researching Sasanid swords recently.

If I didn't know the difference, I would not have felt as stupid. That I full well know the difference and said the other one, that made me feel stupid.
I should have stated Snce then has the Middle East been stable since 1918?".
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Old 29th November 2018, 11:54 PM   #492
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Old 30th November 2018, 07:47 AM   #493
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Baylor is in good company. Look at all of the respectable internet sites that show the image above.

ETA - Stormfront was on the list after I clicked "next," but you get the idea.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Baylor is in good company. Look at all of the respectable internet sites that show the image above.

ETA - Stormfront was on the list after I clicked "next," but you get the idea.
Interesting how it implies both that oppression is just how White Countries are, while also implying that non-white people seek out oppression. Or is it implying they aren't oppressive, because look who wants in - as if no one sought out the opportunities to succeed in another country despite knowing that there would be a new country they would have to fit into. In either case, it is a blatant attempt to normalize oppression. Then again, consider the source.
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Old 30th November 2018, 08:39 AM   #495
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The hook nose on the guide sign is a also a nice touch, helping to remind us that it is The Jew who is orchestrating the emigration. Just in case someone is looking for a community center to shoot up.
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Old 30th November 2018, 09:27 AM   #496
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The hook nose on the guide sign is a also a nice touch, helping to remind us that it is The Jew who is orchestrating the emigration. Just in case someone is looking for a community center to shoot up.
Extra points for the portrayal of the faces of the immigrants. Rarely do you see such blatant racism touted so openly.
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Old 30th November 2018, 12:44 PM   #497
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The hook nose on the guide sign is a also a nice touch, helping to remind us that it is The Jew who is orchestrating the emigration. Just in case someone is looking for a community center to shoot up.
The point was to show that people do not bypass several countries to enter a country where they and their children are abused. Calling someone racist or anti-semitic does not debunk that argument.
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Old 30th November 2018, 01:05 PM   #498
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The hook nose on the guide sign is a also a nice touch, helping to remind us that it is The Jew who is orchestrating the emigration.
I thought it was a paper clip.
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Old 30th November 2018, 01:11 PM   #499
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Guess not. I don't believe in the CT that jews are behind mass immigration, I couldn't find a more tasteful image to get the point across.
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The point was to show that people do not bypass several countries to enter a country where they and their children are abused. Calling someone racist or anti-semitic does not debunk that argument.
That is binary thinking. People migrate for many reasons, and with a variety of levels of understanding what conditions they may encounter.
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Surely someone posting Nazi cartoons in lieu of an argument wouldn't be engaging in binary thinking.
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Well, if there was any doubt about somebody's bigotry,it has been removed.
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Surely someone posting Nazi cartoons in lieu of an argument wouldn't be engaging in binary thinking.
What is really intriguing is what does it take to admit they are wrong?

Aside from what the guy in American History X went through...
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You know, I'm no Trump fan either. But to seriously believe that Trump is gonna have actual concentration camps like Hitler did, is a whole new level of delusional.
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You know, I'm no Trump fan either. But to seriously believe that Trump is gonna have actual concentration camps like Hitler did, is a whole new level of delusional.

I haven't followed all of the conversation. Has anyone implied he'll institute concentration camps like Hitler? I thought the claim was that he would institute concentration camps like Roosevelt.
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I haven't followed all of the conversation. Has anyone implied he'll institute concentration camps like Hitler? I thought the claim was that he would institute concentration camps like Roosevelt.
Or the British ones.
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Guess not. I don't believe in the CT that jews are behind mass immigration, I couldn't find a more tasteful image to get the point across.
To a person not estranged from the thought process, the absence of a more tasteful image might be thought indictative of something.
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Surely someone posting Nazi cartoons in lieu of an argument wouldn't be engaging in binary thinking.
Sometimes it takes something shocking to get a point through someone's skull. My country's borders aren't to be breached because some European likes to pretend he suddenly cares about Central American children.
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You know, I'm no Trump fan either. But to seriously believe that Trump is gonna have actual concentration camps like Hitler did, is a whole new level of delusional.
It sure rhymes.
Lorena and her two children hold out their arms to show the numbers they were given to be on a list of migrants seeking political asylum in the United States. (Photo: Adria Malcolm for Yahoo News)
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When fascism comes to America it will be disguised as anti-fascism.
LOL, so the alt right and promoters of ethnic cleansing are not fascist?
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Why would anyone defend Trump at this point - on anything?
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Why would anyone defend Trump at this point - on anything?
Why would anyone disagree with you at this point - on anything?

It's a mystery, I tell you.
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<image snipped in disgust>
Disgraceful. It says more about you that anything else.

At least we know for sure now that we are dealing with a racist bigot.
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It sure rhymes.
No, it really doesn't. Sorry to ruin the party.
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Gonna point out here that the numbers are being written on migrants by the charitable organization Casa Del Migrantes, not US government employees. They could have handled it better but we're talking about a charity that's trying to provide aid to a lot of people in a hurry so I'm inclined to cut them a little slack.

Info here:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/take-numb...210835939.html

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Why would anyone disagree with you at this point - on anything?

It's a mystery, I tell you.
Oh I know that a lot of people are disgusting (Exhibit A: Trump and his cultish fan club) so the question was merely rhetorical.
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You know, I'm no Trump fan either. But to seriously believe that Trump is gonna have actual concentration camps like Hitler did, is a whole new level of delusional.
Which camps and when for hitler? We certainly do have concentration camps by the historic definition dating back the the Boer war. And yes in popular culture the difference between concentration camps and death camps is rather muddied but they still fit the definition.
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I think the policy stinks on ice, but are you seriously suggesting genocide is in the works?
With Trumpf, who knows.....
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With Trumpf, who knows.....
Everyone. Everyone knows that genocide isn't in the works. Even the people claiming it don't really believe it. They certainly don't act like they believe it.
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Everyone. Everyone knows that genocide isn't in the works. Even the people claiming it don't really believe it. They certainly don't act like they believe it.
Correct.
Genocide requires organization, commitment, a thick skin for bad press and an ideology.
Trump has none of these things.
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