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Old 7th June 2018, 01:53 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Howard Schultz has stepped down as CEO of Starbucks and is getting some buzz, which New York Magazine tries to kill:



He sounds like this cycle's Martin O'Malley; someone who could have crossover appeal to moderate Republicans and who is going to get nowhere because that is not what Democratic primary voters are looking for.
Schultz is despised in Sports fans in his home State as he sold the Sonics to the Oklahoma owners who he and everyone else knew would move the team.
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Old 8th June 2018, 12:36 AM   #162
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Governors and former governors are where it's at for the Dems. They have the governing thing down. They aren't part of a "Washington Establishment". A swing state governor can run on their ability to work across party lines. Roy Cooper in North Carolina and John Hickenlooper in Colorado could be good choices.

Hickenlooper is a self made man. He built two of his own businesses but without the silver spoon Trump had. He has cross over appeal being a swing state governor. He has a close working relationship with John Kasich, proving he can be bipartisan.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Governors and former governors are where it's at for the Dems. They have the governing thing down. They aren't part of a "Washington Establishment". A swing state governor can run on their ability to work across party lines. Roy Cooper in North Carolina and John Hickenlooper in Colorado could be good choices.

Hickenlooper is a self made man. He built two of his own businesses but without the silver spoon Trump had. He has cross over appeal being a swing state governor. He has a close working relationship with John Kasich, proving he can be bipartisan.
This has always been a winning dishonest strategy for the left. They always ave to lie about who they are. I mean, who wants to be labeled a leftist?
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This has always been a winning dishonest strategy for the left. They always ave to lie about who they are. I mean, who wants to be labeled a leftist?
It worked for Clinton and Obama. It's just the winning part that counts.
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Hickenlooper is a self made man. He built two of his own businesses but without the silver spoon Trump had. He has cross over appeal being a swing state governor. He has a close working relationship with John Kasich, proving he can be bipartisan.
Yeah, good luck selling bipartisanship to this year's (or 2020's) electorate.
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Yeah, good luck selling bipartisanship to this year's (or 2020's) electorate.
There's a huge crossover potential. The people who call themselves "Independendents", now. The GOP has that 80% Trump-support figure, but with only 26% of the country self-identifying as Republican, they can keep that 80% and ride it to a resounding defeat. Trump playing to his base will achieve that. He gets what he wants; fan mail and huzzahs at his rallies. But 80% of 26% of the electorate is 21% of the popular vote. He's gotta find a whole lot more than that - and it's in the so-called "Independents".

After another year-and-a-half of trench warfare, a whole lot of people are going to be war-weary and someone proposing to get things done may just appeal to them.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Governors and former governors are where it's at for the Dems. They have the governing thing down. They aren't part of a "Washington Establishment". A swing state governor can run on their ability to work across party lines. Roy Cooper in North Carolina and John Hickenlooper in Colorado could be good choices.

Hickenlooper is a self made man. He built two of his own businesses but without the silver spoon Trump had. He has cross over appeal being a swing state governor. He has a close working relationship with John Kasich, proving he can be bipartisan.
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This has always been a winning dishonest strategy for the left. They always ave to lie about who they are. I mean, who wants to be labeled a leftist?
What is dishonest except your comment?

Also Bernie Sanders is a leftist and even calls himself a socialist and whole lot of people supported him.
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I'm a leftist too! That is, a moderate Republican forced to vote Dem by the idiots running the party today.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
There's a huge crossover potential. The people who call themselves "Independendents", now. The GOP has that 80% Trump-support figure, but with only 26% of the country self-identifying as Republican, they can keep that 80% and ride it to a resounding defeat. Trump playing to his base will achieve that. He gets what he wants; fan mail and huzzahs at his rallies. But 80% of 26% of the electorate is 21% of the popular vote. He's gotta find a whole lot more than that - and it's in the so-called "Independents".

After another year-and-a-half of trench warfare, a whole lot of people are going to be war-weary and someone proposing to get things done may just appeal to them.
You're talking sensibly, but the people who vote in the Democratic primaries are not going to be sensible (and for that matter, I think the people who voted in the Republican primaries in 2016 were also insensible).

First of all, Hillary, the electable one, lost. Bernie, the guy with all the enthusiasm behind him, did not. Yes, he lost the battle for the nomination, but let's face it the party machinery did have its hand on the scales, and Bernie did not campaign hard against Hillary early on, probably because he did not feel he had a chance until he started winning.

And anyway, who is the safe, dependable candidate this time around? Joe Biden? I guess he's young compared to Bernie. John Kerry? I'm just not seeing anybody suited for that particular role, which may be why both Biden and Kerry have made noises about running, but I can't really see them keeping the establishment Democrats together the way Hillary could.

So it's wide open, and I have a hunch that the Democrats are really not tired of losing enough. And what I mean by that is that they can sell themselves on the idea that they should have won 2000 and 2016, and if they'd won 2000 they would have won 2004 as well, which means they'd have a winning streak of 7 consecutive presidential elections.

And in fairness, the GOP got pretty lucky in 2000 and 2016; I don't deny that those elections could have gone either way easily. But of course if Al Gore is President in 2007 when the economic meltdown starts John McCain or Mitt Romney probably waltzes to victory in 2008.

So I think the "trim the sails and get a win" strategy is going to be hooted at among the Democratic primary voters in 2020. They'll fall in love with somebody (Warren, Harris or more likely some handsome male politician). But he's going to have to be very solidly liberal and get the support of the netkooks, err, netroots.
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Old 12th June 2018, 02:31 PM   #170
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You're talking sensibly, but the people who vote in the Democratic primaries are not going to be sensible (and for that matter, I think the people who voted in the Republican primaries in 2016 were also insensible).

First of all, Hillary, the electable one, lost. Bernie, the guy with all the enthusiasm behind him, did not. Yes, he lost the battle for the nomination, but let's face it the party machinery did have its hand on the scales, and Bernie did not campaign hard against Hillary early on, probably because he did not feel he had a chance until he started winning.

And anyway, who is the safe, dependable candidate this time around? Joe Biden? I guess he's young compared to Bernie. John Kerry? I'm just not seeing anybody suited for that particular role, which may be why both Biden and Kerry have made noises about running, but I can't really see them keeping the establishment Democrats together the way Hillary could.

So it's wide open, and I have a hunch that the Democrats are really not tired of losing enough. And what I mean by that is that they can sell themselves on the idea that they should have won 2000 and 2016, and if they'd won 2000 they would have won 2004 as well, which means they'd have a winning streak of 7 consecutive presidential elections.

And in fairness, the GOP got pretty lucky in 2000 and 2016; I don't deny that those elections could have gone either way easily. But of course if Al Gore is President in 2007 when the economic meltdown starts John McCain or Mitt Romney probably waltzes to victory in 2008.

So I think the "trim the sails and get a win" strategy is going to be hooted at among the Democratic primary voters in 2020. They'll fall in love with somebody (Warren, Harris or more likely some handsome male politician). But he's going to have to be very solidly liberal and get the support of the netkooks, err, netroots.
Good analysis, although with Gore in office the meltdown may not have occurred until later, due to lack of the drag of the Iraq war and post 9/11 effects. Could have been earlier also, though in my opinion the presidential effects on the economy are generally over-rated.
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The GOP House candidate for one of the more flappable districts in Southeren New Jersey might have just shot himself in the foot with a "Diversity is Crap" remark,and more or less telling voters the women and minorities need to shut up and stop their whining.
Just about the most blatent appeal to the Angry White Male I have seen..and in a purple district. Not a good look.
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This has always been a winning dishonest strategy for the left. They always ave to lie about who they are. I mean, who wants to be labeled a leftist?

What are they, really, then?
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With his current strong polling in the Ohio senate race, Sherrod Brown must be thinking about 2020.
At first sight, he seems to tick a fair number of boxes.
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With his current strong polling in the Ohio senate race, Sherrod Brown must be thinking about 2020.
At first sight, he seems to tick a fair number of boxes.
Could be more handsome (he's more a John Kerry or an Al Gore than a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama), but aside from that I agree, he should definitely be considered a strong potential candidate. He has excellent connections with the netroots, and I suspect he's got the fire in the belly.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/polit...ech/index.html

I would chose Avenatti over Trump but I don't want him to run for president. He gets it though. I hope he runs the Democratic nominee's campaign. When Trump goes low, Americans need someone who will go lower right now.
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When Trump goes low, Americans need someone who will go lower right now.

The Dimms 2020 campaign slogan: "When they go low, we go lower."
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Sure. Taking the high ground got us a dirty Russian whore as president.

What might be better would be if Avenatti ran a 527 organization aimed at defeating Trump so the candidate could go high and the 527 could go low.

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Gonna go way out on a limb here:

K. Harris & J. Kennedy III for the Dems in 2020.

Harris talks tough. I mean she has a Trump-esque style of "I don't take no bulls...", but with better grammar. I have a feeling, that if she decides to throw her name into the ring, her attidude will resonate with the Dem base.

Kennedy. IMHO, the current political ethos (for lack of a better word) could go for some invigorating young blood. I look at Trudeau in Canada and am kinda envious that they have a spry young leader - someone closer to my age. Someone who seems to be more "anti-stupid" than anything. (When people ask me my political party, I reply with, "Anti-stupid") At least that the impression I get from him.

Plus, JKIII might want, need, or the movers and shakers behind the scenes of the Democrats might want to "season" him a tad bit.
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Gonna go way out on a limb here:

K. Harris & J. Kennedy III for the Dems in 2020.

Harris talks tough. I mean she has a Trump-esque style of "I don't take no bulls...", but with better grammar. I have a feeling, that if she decides to throw her name into the ring, her attidude will resonate with the Dem base.

Kennedy. IMHO, the current political ethos (for lack of a better word) could go for some invigorating young blood. I look at Trudeau in Canada and am kinda envious that they have a spry young leader - someone closer to my age. Someone who seems to be more "anti-stupid" than anything. (When people ask me my political party, I reply with, "Anti-stupid") At least that the impression I get from him.

Plus, JKIII might want, need, or the movers and shakers behind the scenes of the Democrats might want to "season" him a tad bit.
Harris doesn't appear to have the foreign experience. I think Tammy Duckworth has better experience there, plus the military background chops. Harris could be a good Veep candidate.
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Harris doesn't appear to have the foreign experience. I think Tammy Duckworth has better experience there, plus the military background chops. Harris could be a good Veep candidate.
Didn't she come up with the "cadet bone spurs" epithet? Doesn't seem to have a lot of the Clinton negatives either.
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Didn't she come up with the "cadet bone spurs" epithet? Doesn't seem to have a lot of the Clinton negatives either.
She seems to have steered well clear of Illinois machine shenanigans. I could be wrong there, a lot of it comes into real estate deals of a backdoor nature
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Harris doesn't appear to have the foreign experience. I think Tammy Duckworth has better experience there, plus the military background chops. Harris could be a good Veep candidate.
I prefer candidates that weren't injured in battle.
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I find it difficult to imagine voting for Trump if Satan himself was running against him. In so many ways I hate Pence even more then Trump, but it would still be a no brainer to vote against Trump if they were facing each other on the ballot.
Wouldn't Pence be easier to beat if he became President before 2020?
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Yeah, good luck selling bipartisanship to this year's (or 2020's) electorate.
Which is a shame, because this mindless tribalism might end up destroying Democracy in America.
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Wouldn't Pence be easier to beat if he became President before 2020?
Not sure.
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Originally Posted by C_Felix View Post
Gonna go way out on a limb here:

K. Harris & J. Kennedy III for the Dems in 2020.

Harris talks tough. I mean she has a Trump-esque style of "I don't take no bulls...", but with better grammar. I have a feeling, that if she decides to throw her name into the ring, her attidude will resonate with the Dem base.

Kennedy. IMHO, the current political ethos (for lack of a better word) could go for some invigorating young blood. I look at Trudeau in Canada and am kinda envious that they have a spry young leader - someone closer to my age. Someone who seems to be more "anti-stupid" than anything. (When people ask me my political party, I reply with, "Anti-stupid") At least that the impression I get from him.

Plus, JKIII might want, need, or the movers and shakers behind the scenes of the Democrats might want to "season" him a tad bit.
Joe Kennedy is a 3 term Congressmen. Normally, that isn't enough but much of this is about 'presence' on the stump. Does the candidate connect with the people? Compare Hillary to Bill. Hillary was far more qualified than Bill but he was a far better candidate than Hillary could ever be.

I saw Avenatti give his speech in Iowa and I was highly disappointed. The words were good but his delivery was only so so. He really needs help with that.
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I saw Avenatti give his speech in Iowa and I was highly disappointed. The words were good but his delivery was only so so. He really needs help with that.
Avenatti seems like an ******* who is best used to attack other ********. He would do well to avoid running for election.
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Did we just see a new contender enter the race? Admiral McRaven is looking awfully presidential right now.
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Avenatti seems like an ******* who is best used to attack other ********. He would do well to avoid running for election.
Avenatti is extremely valuable. He has a talent for trolling Trump. His reuniting the little boy with his mother was both highly admirable and embarrassing to Trump. He is not however, presidential material. He needs to keep undermining faith in Trump's leadership, provoking tweets that reinforce the perception the Trump is unhinged and generally distracting the president from actually trying to govern.
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Did we just see a new contender enter the race? Admiral McRaven is looking awfully presidential right now.
Sadly, I think some of the Progressive wing of the Dems will oppose McRaven simply because he is a retired admiral. There is a huge dislike of the military in general among the Left Wing of the party.
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Sadly, I think some of the Progressive wing of the Dems will oppose McRaven simply because he is a retired admiral. There is a huge dislike of the military in general among the Left Wing of the party.
Which is odd considering he was a senior leader in a cradle to grave welfare state.
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Whoever runs in 2020 won't have the superdelegates to kick around any more:

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In a long-awaited bid to reinvigorate the Democratic Party and heal the divides of the 2016 presidential primary, the Democratic National Committee voted Saturday to disempower superdelegates as part of a package of historic party reforms.
It's almost like 1972 never happened.
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Old 25th August 2018, 11:12 PM   #193
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Whoever runs in 2020 won't have the superdelegates to kick around any more:



It's almost like 1972 never happened.
My first reaction to this was disbelief. How can they do this after what happened to the GOP in 2016?

But maybe the devil is in the details.
While superdelegates won't vote in the first round, they will be able to vote in the second round (if one is needed).

It is worth to remember that superdelegates never actually decided who the nominee would be.

What will change now (I hope), is the way the media reports on the Democratic primaries, by only reporting real delegate counts.
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Wrong lesson learned.
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Wrong lesson learned.
Well if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, people will believe it.
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My first reaction to this was disbelief. How can they do this after what happened to the GOP in 2016?
Yeah, I mean the media got it totally wrong and therefore Bernie Sanders is sure to win easily in 2020.
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Yeah, I mean the media got it totally wrong and therefore Bernie Sanders is sure to win easily in 2020.
They also changed the rules for caucuses, and a number of states that held caucuses in 2016 will hold primaries in 2020.

All in all, it looks that the party "establishment" did better than expected/feared in this reform of the primary process.

It's early days of course, but hard to see Sanders doing better in 2020 than he did in 2016. And he would have lost to Clinton with this new system too.
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Bernie Sanders will win in 2020 provided he's healthy.

If the Democrats are stupid enough to run another boring, centrist establishment candidate to impede him in this climate I'll probably lose hope in them forever.

Get behind Bernie if you want to win.
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John Hickenlooper

A good chunk of Americans are too, ahem, "primal" to vote for a President with too many syllables in their name. I wish I were joking.

Just like a candidate is more likely to win if they are at least somewhat good looking, they are more likely to win the fewer syllables they have in their name.
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Bernie Sanders will win in 2020 provided he's healthy.

If the Democrats are stupid enough to run another boring, centrist establishment candidate to impede him in this climate I'll probably lose hope in them forever.

Get behind Bernie if you want to win.
In the betting markets, Kamela Harris has a 5/1 chance to win the nomination, followed by Elizabeth Warren with a 6/1. Sanders trail with a 10/1, on par with Cory Booker.
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