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Old 2nd November 2018, 07:07 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I just have no illusions how low a Trump supporter can sink
Oh, you most certainly do have illusions about that.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 07:13 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You think there's an incipient genocide out here in the real world?
Ouch, that joke sure didn't land correctly.

No, I meant that what's in his head is already scary from here (outside); I don't want to delve further.

ETA: There was also a double meaning about Travis being ugly, but it was not the original intent.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 07:19 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
No one I know feels it would just be executing criminals.

Not yet, no. But take a look at any of the "Xing while Black" threads to see how many Republican types go out of their way to find after-the-fact justifications for killing people. They won't feel it now, but I'd give good odds on a lot of them feeling it then.


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No republican I know supports execution for crimes of this nature.

And no Republican I know "supports" suppressing legitimate voters. But they end up doing exactly that by convincing themselves that the people being suppressed aren't legitimate voters.


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If you believe this you live in a sad scary world.

If you don't believe that this is at least possible, you haven't been paying attention. All of the things Squeegee Beckenheim refers to are things that no one would have believed Republicans would have supported, if we'd been speculating about it a few years ago. And yet, here we are.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 07:25 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Oh, you most certainly do have illusions about that.
Really? The scum at those rallies seem pretty excited about Trump's claim that the troops would fire on migrants. It's not a far step.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I thought they did want to apply through the proper channels but Trump is trying to stop them from doing so?
I don't think Trump has banned applying to enter the US, or stopped all immigration. At the end of the day if someone applies and their application is denied then they can't get in. At no point is there a mandate to riot.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 07:29 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Looks like someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid.

Not a good look if one wishes to be taken seriously.
You know your link doesn't negate the claim, right?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Oh, you most certainly do have illusions about that.
Although I don't think actual death camps are on the way, and as usual Travis' interpretation of reality is.... er... detached, I wouldn't say it's ridiculous either. I'm sure a lot of people in Germany and Cambodia didn't think it would happen there, either.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 07:37 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Ouch, that joke sure didn't land correctly.

No, I meant that what's in his head is already scary from here (outside); I don't want to delve further.
Ah, OK, got it. Say no more.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Say no more.
But I want to!
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Old 2nd November 2018, 07:39 AM   #50
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Really? The scum at those rallies seem pretty excited about Trump's claim that the troops would fire on migrants. It's not a far step.
Defending yourself from an attack is not a far step from killing prisoners en masse? Yeah, no. That is, in fact, a very far step.
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Will somebody hurry up and finally reach the "Planck" level of demonization of your opponent so Travis will stop starting these obvious bait threads?

Or Republicans take one for the team. Somebody agree with Travis that Trump is going to round people up into camps and the Right is all going to be okay with it so Travis can feel satisfied that his rage is justified.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Defending yourself from an attack is not a far step from killing prisoners en masse? Yeah, no. That is, in fact, a very far step.
Hopefully by "attack" you meant throwing large rocks at police officers, not the very act of immigrating to the US.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
But I want to!
Nudge, nudge.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Not yet, no. But take a look at any of the "Xing while Black" threads to see how many Republican types go out of their way to find after-the-fact justifications for killing people. They won't feel it now, but I'd give good odds on a lot of them feeling it then.





And no Republican I know "supports" suppressing legitimate voters. But they end up doing exactly that by convincing themselves that the people being suppressed aren't legitimate voters.





If you don't believe that this is at least possible, you haven't been paying attention. All of the things Squeegee Beckenheim refers to are things that no one would have believed Republicans would have supported, if we'd been speculating about it a few years ago. And yet, here we are.
I don’t believe most of the things Squeegee Beckerheim claims have actually happened.
I also don't think the posts in “while black” threads are about justifications for killing innocent people.

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We're really like an old couple, aren't we?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Somebody agree with Travis that Trump is going to round people up into camps and the Right is all going to be okay with it so Travis can feel satisfied that his rage is justified.
Addicts don't get satisfied with their addiction. You can never catch the dragon.
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Care to look at gang murders in L.A.? Most are done by illegals.
Will probably need a separate thread if it actually goes into discussion...

Got a cite for that?
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more trump talk, not as smart as "rock talk"

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So, looks like we are full speed ahead with creating concentration camps. Trump just announced a new policy of capturing and then not releasing immigrants. ...
Yes, the stable genius talks, and don't forget, trump says 'Consider rocks as rifles'.
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Really? The scum at those rallies seem pretty excited about Trump's claim that the troops would fire on migrants. It's not a far step.
Did President Trump say that? I don't think so. He did make a ridiculous statement about rock throwing being considered the same as a rifle.

Are you any less hateful towards those who disagree with you than the "scum" at those Trump rallies?
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Did President Trump say that? I don't think so. He did make a ridiculous statement about rock throwing being considered the same as a rifle.

Are you any less hateful towards those who disagree with you than the "scum" at those Trump rallies?
The implication is that if the migrants throw rocks (presumably because their entry into the US will be blocked; and I'm not sure how legal that is) the officers will shoot back.
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
I don’t believe most of the things Squeegee Beckerheim claims have actually happened.
I also don't think the posts in “while black” threads are about justifications for killing innocent people.


Well, then, you're completely detached from reality. Welcome to the club.
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Yes, throw rocks at armed soldiers whilst trying to break across a border into a foreign country and expect repercussions. It demonstrates the calibre of some of those trying to enter the US. They can't immediately gain access, they don't want to apply through the proper channels, so immediately they riot. I imagine none of those proposing these immigrants be let in face the risk of living next door to them. I wonder what would happen if I turned up without a passport at a US airport and tried beating security with a rock.

That's not how asylum works and you know it. Everyone knows it. It's repeated over and over in these threads. They ARE going through the proper channels. You have to be here to apply for asylum. You can't do it before you come here.

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That's not how asylum works and you know it. Everyone knows it. It's repeated over and over in these threads. They ARE going through the proper channels. You have to be here to apply for asylum. You can't do it before you come here.

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I don't know much about US asylum law, but the second sentence on Wiki says this

"A specified number of legally defined refugees who either apply for asylum from inside the U.S. or apply for refugee status from outside the U.S., are admitted annually."

And I think you know that once the application is made, wherever that may be, most do not have a hope in hell of satisfying the criteria by which one is deemed a refugee.
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I don't know much about US asylum law, but the second sentence on Wiki says this

"A specified number of legally defined refugees who either apply for asylum from inside the U.S. or apply for refugee status from outside the U.S., are admitted annually."

And I think you know that once the application is made, wherever that may be, most do not have a hope in hell of satisfying the criteria by which one is deemed a refugee.
There is a difference between refugees and asylum seekers.
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I get this adds a new wrinkle to this clustermuck but if on a moral level if conditions in Country A are so bad that not letting people from Country A into your country to allow them to escape Country A is a moral failing, I'd argue you have an equal moral imperative to try and fix the problems in Country A.
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I would think a post like this is a disservice to people who suffered in real concentration camps except I think you believe they are similar.
They are not.
Can you explain how they are different? BTW you don't need to explain how they are different from a Nazi concentration camp of WWII, but those were not typical. This does sound typical of typical concentration camps.

ETA: Note that wikipedia makes a distinction between concentration/internment camp and Nazi concentration camp.

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You know your link doesn't negate the claim, right?
Sounds like you're volunteering to substantiate the original claim.

I eagerly await you to report back with your findings.
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Except that these are the same people who say things like "Mexican isn't a race", so it wouldn't be genocide in their minds. To them, it's just executing criminals, which we know Republicans strongly support.
I don't personally know any Republican who would support executing a person simply for illegal immigration.

Let's stop exaggerating the evil of our political opponents. At present, Republicans (at least Trump supporters) have enough to answer for.
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Can you explain how they are different? BTW you don't need to explain how they are different from a Nazi concentration camp of WWII, but those were not typical. This does sound typical of typical concentration camps.
The general term concentration camps in my mind now refers to the Nazi type. Travis talking about finding a quarry also implies death camps. There may be nice modern “concentration camps” I am not aware of.
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Did President Trump say that? I don't think so. He did make a ridiculous statement about rock throwing being considered the same as a rifle.

Are you any less hateful towards those who disagree with you than the "scum" at those Trump rallies?
Trump and his supporters are big fans of violent criminal assault.

You don't think people who celebrate violent criminal assault deserve to be called scum?
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What might this topic actually be about? I pay pretty close attention to the news, and no one else seems to think that "Trump announced new concentration camps" yesterday. What did I miss?
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There is a difference between refugees and asylum seekers.
The latter becomes the former (or can do), I understand that. But you said they could not take the legal route of application without entering the US. The cite I quoted states this to be false. So have you any evidence what you said is correct?
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Very, very, very few people would stand by for US citizens being tortured and incarcerated indefinitely without trial.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

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Very, very, very few people would stand for open white supremacists in the White House.
Nor here. There are certainly folk in the White House that I think are racist, but I wouldn't call them "open white supremacist[s]". Who do you have in mind? (Stephen Miller is probably closest to what you mean, and formerly Bannon, far as I'm concerned.)

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Very, very, very few people would stand for a hostile foreign power interfering in US elections with no repercussions and no preventative measures for future elections.
Absolutely no questions needed for this one!
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Sounds like you're volunteering to substantiate the original claim...
...or point out that your link does not claim what you say it does. Which I did.
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...or point out that your link does not claim what you say it does. Which I did.
What did I say it claimed?
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What might this topic actually be about? I pay pretty close attention to the news, and no one else seems to think that "Trump announced new concentration camps" yesterday. What did I miss?
You didn't miss anything except a need to feed the outrage machine.
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
The latter becomes the former (or can do), I understand that. But you said they could not take the legal route of application without entering the US. The cite I quoted states this to be false. So have you any evidence what you said is correct?
I said they can't apply for asylum without coming here, I didn't say there weren't other ways to immigrate. The bit you quote doesn't say it's false, it says the same thing I did. Asylum needs to be applied for here, refugee status can be applied for remotely.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
You didn't miss anything except a need to feed the outrage machine.
Where does he find this stuff - more memes perhaps? Sure, CNN is big corporate news, but not even HuffPo had anything on this topic when I looked.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Not yet, no. But take a look at any of the "Xing while Black" threads to see how many Republican types go out of their way to find after-the-fact justifications for killing people. They won't feel it now, but I'd give good odds on a lot of them feeling it then.
Sorry, are there really threads about "crossing while black"?
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Sorry, are there really threads about "crossing while black"?
Well, there's a thread about being home while black, and all.
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