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Old 2nd November 2018, 03:26 PM   #121
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Unfortunately for Der Trumpenführer, someone in the military has leaked the Official Military Assesment of the threat posed by the caravan of migrants/refugees/asylum seekers or whatever they are. It does not support his overblown view.

Directly from the report

MLCOA: (a military acronym for Most Likely Course of Action)
Caravan dwindles as it nears US: limited TCO exploitation and no terrorist infiltration; balloon effect on smuggling

G2 Assessment: Four large migrant caravans, originating from Honduras and consisting of approximately 7,000 people, are transiting through Mexico in an effort to enter the US. Based on historic trends, it is assessed that only a small percentage of the migrants will likely reach the border.

Militias: Estimated 200 unregulated armed militia members currently operating along the SWB. Reported incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments. The operate under the guise of citizen patrols supporting CBP primarily between POE's

Protests: Historically, protests occur at the various CBP POE's in support of immigrants and in some incidents, cause closures. Previous protests in support of immigration caravans and enforcement of immigration law have occurred throughout the US. Normally peaceful unless extreme right or left groups attend


For those who have the necessary attention span, you can read the entire 33 page leaked document here.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-admin...troops-1196855

The overall assessment to me seems that Der Trumpenführer is sending 15,000 fully armed troops to resist about 1,400 people armed only with the clothes they are wearing. This is nothing more than a political stunt designed to stir up fear and hatred among his stormtroopers

NOTE: 15,000 troops is more than are currently deployed in Afghanistan, where they are fighting a real war against real opponents that are shooting real bullets back at them. Seems like the biggest threat on the souther border is good ol' boy, redneck militias using the opportunity to steal military equipment.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 03:33 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Very, very, very few people would stand by for US citizens being tortured and incarcerated indefinitely without trial. Very, very, very few people would stand for open white supremacists in the White House. Very, very, very few people would stand for a hostile foreign power interfering in US elections with no repercussions and no preventative measures for future elections. Very, very, very few people would stand for officials rigging elections and denying US citizens their right to vote. Very, very, very few people would stand for a president who uses the presidency to line his own pockets. Very, very, very few people would stand for children being put in concentration camps.

I mean, I don't think we're at the point yet where genocide could happen, and nor do I think it possible under Trump. But you'd be surprised what people can accept once it becomes normalised, and we don't yet know how Trump's presidency is going to end, nor do we know who is going to follow him and what they will normalise.
Bringing a people to accept Genocide is usually a gradual process; Germany in the 1930's Is a good example. It starts with normalizing discriminatory measures and goes upward from there.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 03:36 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I really don't understand the reaction to this. We're only talking about a couple of thousand people, at most.
You Really Don't get it ?
It a political stunt to rev up his "base" before the election on Tuesday. It's politics, pure and simple.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 03:39 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Unfortunately for Der Trumpenführer, someone in the military has leaked the Official Military Assesment of the threat posed by the caravan of migrants/refugees/asylum seekers or whatever they are. It does not support his overblown view.

Directly from the report

MLCOA: (a military acronym for Most Likely Course of Action)
Caravan dwindles as it nears US: limited TCO exploitation and no terrorist infiltration; balloon effect on smuggling

G2 Assessment: Four large migrant caravans, originating from Honduras and consisting of approximately 7,000 people, are transiting through Mexico in an effort to enter the US. Based on historic trends, it is assessed that only a small percentage of the migrants will likely reach the border.

Militias: Estimated 200 unregulated armed militia members currently operating along the SWB. Reported incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments. The operate under the guise of citizen patrols supporting CBP primarily between POE's

Protests: Historically, protests occur at the various CBP POE's in support of immigrants and in some incidents, cause closures. Previous protests in support of immigration caravans and enforcement of immigration law have occurred throughout the US. Normally peaceful unless extreme right or left groups attend


For those who have the necessary attention span, you can read the entire 33 page leaked document here.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-admin...troops-1196855

The overall assessment to me seems that Der Trumpenführer is sending 15,000 fully armed troops to resist about 1,400 people armed only with the clothes they are wearing. This is nothing more than a political stunt designed to stir up fear and hatred among his stormtroopers

NOTE: 15,000 troops is more than are currently deployed in Afghanistan, where they are fighting a real war against real opponents that are shooting real bullets back at them. Seems like the biggest threat on the souther border is good ol' boy, redneck militias using the opportunity to steal military equipment.
15,000 armed troops seems excessive. A good team of door staff could do the job.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 04:07 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I believe Mexico has also offered many of them asylum, and they've mostly refused.

This isn't about being in danger in their home country.
They are harmless women and children coming to our border. We can work out an arrangement with Mexico on Wednesday. For now, why not highlight Trump's cowardice in the face of harmless people coming to our border?
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Old 2nd November 2018, 04:27 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
They are harmless women and children coming to our border. We can work out an arrangement with Mexico on Wednesday. For now, why not highlight Trump's cowardice in the face of harmless people coming to our border?
Trump's comment sounded pretty reasonable to me:

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.”

Why do you call that cowardice?
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Old 2nd November 2018, 04:39 PM   #127
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Old 2nd November 2018, 04:47 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Trump's comment sounded pretty reasonable to me:

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.”

Why do you call that cowardice?

How exactly can a caravan covered by all major news channels in the USA be described as undetected, undocumented, unchecked??! Does that really sound pretty reasonable to you?
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Old 2nd November 2018, 05:10 PM   #129
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Trump's comment sounded pretty reasonable to me:

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.”

Why do you call that cowardice?
How about calling a small number* of unarmed, poverty-stricken migrants "an invasion" and a "threat to our security"? You think that is reasonable?

How about saying (which is tantamount to instructing) armed troops to open fire on these migrants? You think that is reasonable?

* 7,000 is a small number (and there won't be that many anyway). They could disappear into any major city in America and you would not even notice... it would be like a thimbleful of water being poured into a 44 gallon drum of water.
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Old 2nd November 2018, 06:47 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
Yes I think there are plenty of reasons why Trump and the republicans wouldn't.
Mainly they aren't the evil monsters it seems you think they are.
I find it hard to fathom that you might believe otherwise.

Very ,very, very few people would stand by for genocide.
I would have said the same a couple of years ago. But today, I could easily see Trump supporters either being pleased with the mass murder of immigrants... or condemning it and then voting the people who did it straight back into office anyway because whilst they may be genocidal maniacs, they're not Democrats. And one must have some standards, after all.
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Originally Posted by Seismosaurus View Post
I would have said the same a couple of years ago. But today, I could easily see Trump supporters either being pleased with the mass murder of immigrants... or condemning it and then voting the people who did it straight back into office anyway because whilst they may be genocidal maniacs, they're not Democrats.
Wo, that's like totally cool, man. Can you tell us what you "could easily see"?
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How about calling a small number* of unarmed, poverty-stricken migrants "an invasion" and a "threat to our security"? You think that is reasonable?

How about saying (which is tantamount to instructing) armed troops to open fire on these migrants? You think that is reasonable?
Get ahold of yourself. You're being unhinged and silly.
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Get ahold of yourself. You're being unhinged and silly.
No, he's not. That's the sad thing.
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Get ahold of yourself. You're being unhinged and silly.
Direct quotes from your Dear Leader, Der Trumpenfuhrer

"these are dangerous people"

"national emergency"

"it really does look like an invasion"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vide...erous-58901060

The only unhinged people are the steaming pile of faeces sitting at the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office, his Stormtroopers and the stupid sheep that follow their Dear Leader.
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They are harmless women and children coming to our border.
No. They are overwhelmingly adult males.
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No. They are overwhelmingly adult males.
Adult males means imminent invasion with sacking and burning of villages?
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No. They are overwhelmingly adult males.
Middle eastern adult males and criminals all walking 1,500 miles in the heat scrounging for food and water just so they can invade the US and rape, kill, and sell drugs! SAD!
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No. They are overwhelmingly adult males.
What a load of utter horse-cock. You're meekly buying into Der Trumpenfuhrer's "Big Lies".

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/w...s-history.html
"The United Nations refugee agency, which has helped coordinate relief efforts, said as many as 7,000 people have traveled with the caravan. Unicef estimates at least 2,300 children are among the group."
With 2300 children in the group, it is going to be very hard to quantify your "overwhelmingly" claim when it would be reasonable to expect (and we have in fact seen) that these children are travelling with parents, so many of the remaining members will be women.

There is a lot of misinformation about this caravan being spread by Trump News Network (i.e. Faux News) including the use of old photos from as far back as the 2012 Mexico City Student Riots and purporting them to be recent photos in order to paint the caravan in a bad light.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/w...?module=inline
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Middle eastern adult males and criminals all walking 1,500 miles in the heat scrounging for food and water just so they can invade the US and rape, kill, and sell drugs! SAD!
And work in meat-packing plants, "stealing" jobs white people won't do.
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Trump's comment sounded pretty reasonable to me:

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.”

Why do you call that cowardice?
Wow, way to cherry pick there ace.


“We have to have a wall of people,” he said, adding that he thinks the caravan “can be considered an invasion." -Trump.

President Prison Date calls this an invasion. We need Stormy Daniels on the case. She needs to go back in there, shift some of that blubber and help Trump find his balls.
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I would have said the same a couple of years ago. But today, I could easily see Trump supporters either being pleased with the mass murder of immigrants... or condemning it and then voting the people who did it straight back into office anyway because whilst they may be genocidal maniacs, they're not Democrats. And one must have some standards, after all.
Constant virtue-signaling and fantastical claims going unchecked has warped the view of reality of many on this forum. Some of these visions people have here are more delusional than those claiming to talk to God.
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They are harmless women and children coming to our border.
Just one person's opinions. Being "harmless" doesn't grant a person the right to enter the US illegally.
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Just one person's opinions. Being "harmless" doesn't grant a person the right to enter the US illegally.
I never said it did. But if you call said women and children a threat to our national security as President Prison Date did, that makes him a coward.
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Are these concentration camps going to be significantly different than the "immigration processing centers" that Jimmy Carter set up to handle the Marielitos back in 1980?

Did you know that over 400 of the Marielitos were still in US custody in 2016?
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I never said it did. But if you call said women and children a threat to our national security as President Prison Date did, that makes him a coward.
Just another opinion on the internet.
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Just another opinion on the internet.
If it makes one person see Trump for the scum he is or makes one person start to see Trump supporters as something less than American, I'm happy.
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That's nice while you're worried about people's opinions the rest of Americans want the nation's borders secured.
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That's nice while you're worried about people's opinions the rest of Americans want the nation's borders secured.

The number of people who want the national borders secured with 15,000 heavily armed combat troops is not "the rest".
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That's nice while you're worried about people's opinions the rest of Americans want the nation's borders secured.
The people who want Trump's solution are certainly not the majority. Real Americans want our borders secured in a way consistent with our national values. The Trump supporters don't understand or share our values as a nation. They're not like us.
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Why? It's blatant nonsense. 3.64 billion? That means only two people in the entire world have been killed by refugees?
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Get ahold of yourself. You're being unhinged and silly.
Unfortunately if you directly quote 45, who is unhinged and silly, you do sound unhinged and silly. Only because you are repeating his exact words though.
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Whatever
Trump supporters never disappoint. About as articulate as I expected.
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Sure you didn't.
Luckily the posts are here for everyone to read.

Good luck in your continued struggle to understand the difference between asylum seekers and refugees. Perhaps there’s a middle-schooler nearby who can explain it to you.
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Old 3rd November 2018, 08:58 AM   #155
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Why? It's blatant nonsense. 3.64 billion? That means only two people in the entire world have been killed by refugees?
That’s... not how probabilty works.

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Old 3rd November 2018, 08:59 AM   #156
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Luckily the posts are here for everyone to read.

Good luck in your continued struggle to understand the difference between asylum seekers and refugees. Perhaps there’s a middle-schooler nearby who can explain it to you.
Go get one then, because you're having no luck pointing out my alleged mistake.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I believe Mexico has also offered many of them asylum, and they've mostly refused.

This isn't about being in danger in their home country.
So you're saying the US isn't a better and safer place than Mexico so there's no reason they should be trying to get here?
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Go get one then, because you're having no luck pointing out my alleged mistake.
I literally just pointed out a mistake you made. It’s in the post preceding yours.

Seriously dude, you’ve got to stop leading with your chin.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I literally just pointed out a mistake you made. It’s in the post preceding yours.

Seriously dude, you’ve got to stop leading with your chin.
Ah, something entirely different. You're completely wrong about that one too. Fishes and barrels come to mind.
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Adult males means imminent invasion with sacking and burning of villages?
No, it means that there are not large numbers of women and children in the caravan.
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