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Old 14th November 2018, 10:10 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Nomally I don't believe in dragging a politician's wife into the fray,but if Melania is going to try to play Madame Du Barry and/or the Empress Alexandria, then she has given up her non combatant status.
I heard "Dollar Store Isabel Peron" somewhere and it resonated with me.
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Old 14th November 2018, 10:14 PM   #122
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More on our new Acting AG:
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Over the past two decades, Whitaker — now the acting attorney general — has owned a day-care center, a concrete supply business and a trailer manufacturer, state records show. He led a taxpayer-subsidized effort to build affordable housing in Des Moines, but he walked away from the stalled project two years ago after the city threatened him with a lawsuit.

In 2004, when he started a five-year stint as U.S. attorney in the Southern District of Iowa, Whitaker cited a personal-injury case and a dispute involving a dry-cleaning business as some of his most consequential legal work. When he left office, he started a modest legal practice and a short-lived lobbying and consulting firm.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.5a186316ad80
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Old 14th November 2018, 10:16 PM   #123
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US First Lady Melania Trump has called for a top national security aide to President Donald Trump to be fired.

The first lady feuded with Mira Ricardel, the deputy national security adviser, during her tour of Africa in October, US media report.

"It is the position of the Office of the First Lady that she no longer deserves the honour of serving in this White House," her spokeswoman said.

The White House and the National Security Council has yet to comment.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46202896
Hang on, the statement was made via “her spokeswoman”?

She’s married to the President, couldn’t she just have a word with him? Or does she have to rely on making a statement to the press and hoping he’ll see it on Fox News?
LOL, read that runon sentence again, and look closely...

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"It is the position of the Office of the First Lady that she no longer deserves the honour of serving in this White House,"

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why punctuation is important....

(I take it she is not claiming that she is retiring as First Lady then???)
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Old 14th November 2018, 11:26 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd View Post
Wow. He has no idea how voting works. Or, at best, he thinks this will make his sycophants angry enough to forget how voting works.
Mr P Head denies Trump allegations of voter fraud
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Old 14th November 2018, 11:28 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

"Our pledge to hire American includes those leaving prison and looking for a very fresh start — new job, and new life. The legislation I am supporting today contains many significant reforms. Read more here: http://45.wh.gov/esvdqj "
Well one can't say that Trump isn't thinking about his many ex-employees!
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Old 14th November 2018, 11:39 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Well one can't say that Trump isn't thinking about his many ex-employees!
He's thinking of his own future.
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Old 14th November 2018, 11:45 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
He's thinking of his own future.
Ah right, that makes more sense!
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:29 AM   #128
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From my previous experience in dealing with narcissists, I can say with some confidence that when the meltdown comes (and come it will) it will be spectacular!

If I were advising a party Republican (Congress or Senate) I would advise them not to leave it too long before they start distancing themselves from The Orange One; if they wait too long they risk becoming collateral damage.
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:38 AM   #129
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I found this beauty - it’s trump versus world leaders, the reality versus how he imagines it.

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Old 15th November 2018, 02:49 AM   #130
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The Trump Presidency 11: Level Spinal Tap
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Old 15th November 2018, 04:12 AM   #131
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I have a different take on the MoAB detonation. I think it's more like the "Vrooom! Vrooom!" truck-driver miming. He did it because he wanted to see what it'd be like "blow 'em up real good"(someone insert the SCTV clip, if you want).

He's a big baby and wanted to play with his new toys. If we had a dead zone somewhere in the world, he'd be dropping nukes and watching the videos at night before bed.
Was he involved in that? At the time it was all being said that it was local decisions.
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Old 15th November 2018, 04:38 AM   #132
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Trump nominates a handbag designer for ambassador to South Africa
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Old 15th November 2018, 04:58 AM   #133
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I hope she was thoroughly vetted before she was allowed to join Mar-a-Lago.
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Old 15th November 2018, 05:17 AM   #134
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https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1062859694476328960

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"Bitter", "furious," and "unwell" are just some of the words top Trump administration officials are using to describe Trump's current state, per @CNN.
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Old 15th November 2018, 05:19 AM   #135
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Africa. Poaching. Handbag.

Works for me.
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Old 15th November 2018, 05:38 AM   #136
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Trump suggests his followers may get “tougher” & “much more violent" with Antifa protesters

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/...ller-Interview

Incitement of violence anyone?
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Trump Tweets

"The White House is running very smoothly and the results for our Nation are obviously very good. We are the envy of the world. But anytime I even think about making changes, the FAKE NEWS MEDIA goes crazy, always seeking to make us look as bad as possible! Very dishonest!"
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Old 15th November 2018, 06:03 AM   #138
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
Trump suggests his followers may get “tougher” & “much more violent" with Antifa protesters

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/...ller-Interview

Incitement of violence anyone?
Well he said not going violent is a good thing, and he didn't mention his followers. He said "the opposition to Antifa".
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Old 15th November 2018, 06:11 AM   #139
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Mattis visited the troops at the southern border who were deployed to protect the US from invaders including middle-easterners, gang members, people with smallpox, and people with leprosy. A soldier asked Mattis what the objective is. The response (in part):
Originally Posted by Mattis
That's somewhat to be determined

Later Mattis offered a justification:
Originally Posted by Mattis
It's very good training
It's not easy to explain when one has been reduced to a political prop.
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Old 15th November 2018, 06:27 AM   #140
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
Trump suggests his followers may get “tougher” & “much more violent" with Antifa protesters

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/...ller-Interview

Incitement of violence anyone?
https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/14/t...tion-mobilize/

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“[Antifa] better hope that the other side doesn’t mobilize,” Trump concluded, “Because if you look, the other side, it’s the military. It’s the police. It’s a lot of very strong, a lot of very tough people. Tougher than them. And smarter than them.”
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Old 15th November 2018, 06:59 AM   #141
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
I found this beauty - it’s trump versus world leaders, the reality versus how he imagines it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...770f3fac7a.jpg
That’s pretty funny.

That petulant arms-crossed stare into the distance, when confronted with an unpleasant reality in person, is one step removed from curling up into a fetal position and sucking his thumb. It’s a look I never could have imagined I’d see from the President of the United States. God, how embarrassing for my country.
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That’s pretty funny.

That petulant arms-crossed stare into the distance, when confronted with an unpleasant reality in person, is one step removed from curling up into a fetal position and sucking his thumb. It’s a look I never could have imagined I’d see from the President of the United States. God, how embarrassing for my country.
I don't have any travel planned. But if I imagine myself overseas, and I imagine a foreigner giving me an earful over Trump, the only thing I can think to say -- we're victims too!
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Old 15th November 2018, 07:27 AM   #143
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I don't have any travel planned. But if I imagine myself overseas, and I imagine a foreigner giving me an earful over Trump, the only thing I can think to say -- we're victims too!
I was in France the summer of 2001 and people hated Bush. It was quaint.
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Old 15th November 2018, 08:28 AM   #144
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The opposition to the anti-fascists? The anti-anti-fascists? Aka....fascists?
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I don't have any travel planned. But if I imagine myself overseas, and I imagine a foreigner giving me an earful over Trump, the only thing I can think to say -- we're victims too!
I haven't been abroad during this presidency, but friends who have tell me it's actually great. It's an instant icebreaker: "Ohmigosh I know, right? He's insane!" followed by comparing news coverage. It'd probably get really old on an extended trip, but a vacation full of short conversations goes much smoother if there's always something to talk about.
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I was in the Navy during the Bushiest of the Bush years and didn't get nearly as much crap over it from all you dang Furinurs as one might expect. And what little I got was almost always confusion more than any type of directed anger.

Most people in most countries understand how a population can wind up with a bad leader without every single person or even a majority being of citizens being bad.
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The opposition to the anti-fascists? The anti-anti-fascists? Aka....fascists?
Surely, one can think antifa is a bad thing without being a fascist. One can even oppose antifa without being a fascist.

In fact, I oppose antifa in almost everything they've done (of which I am aware). I wish they'd go away. I am not a fascist.

Of course, I am not getting angrier and angrier at them, thinking of joining the battle, either. But even those who are itching to fight antifa are not necessarily fascists. They think that antifa is recklessly violent, particularly against conservative or even farther right groups.
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The opposition to the anti-fascists? The anti-anti-fascists? Aka....fascists?
That's like saying the People’s Democratic Republic of Algeria has to be a democracy run by the people because it's right there in the name.

I support Antifa (mostly) but they don't get to just self-define via what they call themselves anymore than anybody else.
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The opposition to the anti-fascists? The anti-anti-fascists? Aka....fascists?
Calling this an oversimplfication would be a smear towards oversimplifications.
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From CNN:



I wish CNN wouldn't do this. If this is supposed to be a news article, under old-school (my age ) rules, it shouldn't be making this assertion. It veers into "analysis." And really, it's like dozens of articles I've already seen. Trump has had the worst week of his presidency - how many times have I read this? And though it may be freshly true each week, taken together such analyses are giving a distorted view of Trump's presidency.

When Trump first took office I gobbled this stuff up. He was going to get his comeuppance any day now, it seemed. It got to the point where I quit checking CNN, because I felt I was getting an unrealistic expectation that the country as a whole was sick of Trump, and it didn't match the reality I saw around me.

Besides which, "heading into uncharted territory" is just stale writing. For the first time his party does not control both houses of Congress. I can do the math.

After the shock of his election I wasn't about to believe anything I read ahead of the midterms. I avoided the news all last Tuesday. It came out the way I hoped, mostly.
I picture the CNN newsroom like the cast of Murphy Brown, spending all their time in that one room and never connecting much with anyone outside it, just group thinking their way along.
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I was in France the summer of 2001 and people hated Bush. It was quaint.
you mean all the Europeans who begged Bush not to invade Iraq, because they knew that there were no WMDs?

Yes, how quaint to ignore the combined Intelligence resources of our allies and instead spend trillions on an avoidable conflict.
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you mean all the Europeans who begged Bush not to invade Iraq, because they knew that there were no WMDs?

Yes, how quaint to ignore the combined Intelligence resources of our allies and instead spend trillions on an avoidable conflict.
Reread the date I put in the post. Because it was even before that stuff you mentioned is what made it quant.
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Reread the date I put in the post. Because it was even before that stuff you mentioned is what made it quant.
oh.

you mean the time where half of America laughed at Bush for being an idiot?
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I hope she was thoroughly vetted before she was allowed to join Mar-a-Lago.
The cheque cleared. That counts as extreme vetting for the current POTUS, doesn't it?
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oh.

you mean the time where half of America laughed at Bush for being an idiot?
Exactly. Being angry at the time because he was dumb and was going to trash the environment looks attractively old fashioned now.
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His touting non existent GOP victories in the mid terms reminds me of Hitler ordering non existenet military units around in his last days.
But I would not get to happy about this, we have a borderline psychotic man with his finger on the nuclear trigger. if that is not scary what is.
Maybe this is not the time to bring up this novel I just read:

"The 2020 Commission Report on the North Korean Nuclear Attacks Against the United States: A Speculative Novel"

The scenario is somewhat based on the KAL 007 incident, but instead of angry words, the US launched a (conventional) cruise missile attack on the Soviet airbase where the plane that shot down the airliner came from , except in this case, replace the US with South Korea, and the USSR with North Korea. Then at the worst possible moment of this crisis, our "Dear President" sends out a tweet directed at the N.K leader ...

The only bit of "good news" about what came next, was that the primary death toll was "only" in the seven figures (including someone close to Trump) ...
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Surely, one can think antifa is a bad thing without being a fascist. One can even oppose antifa without being a fascist.

In fact, I oppose antifa in almost everything they've done (of which I am aware). I wish they'd go away. I am not a fascist.
What is wrong with recording fascist protests and counter protesting them?
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I don't have any travel planned. But if I imagine myself overseas, and I imagine a foreigner giving me an earful over Trump, the only thing I can think to say -- we're victims too!
Having been overseas that's generally not how it goes. People I talked about this sort of thing weren't angry at my wife and I, more confused and wondering how we felt about it. Which just ends up being a bonding session over how crazy the whole thing is.
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Old 15th November 2018, 10:18 AM   #159
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What is wrong with recording fascist protests and counter protesting them?
I get his point, and generally agree. While I agree with the general idea of confronting fascist demonstrations, some self proclaimed members of antifa have an overly broad definition of what counts as fascism and a much too aggressive idea of what confronting them entails. Some of the self-proclaimed antifa members around here have jumped on the anti-gentrification bandwagon and have gone around vandalizing properties under the antifa banner. Properties in neighborhoods they don't live in, and neighborhoods that are welcoming the improvements that these antifa people vandalized.

Saying you don't like Antifa, thus you are a fascist, is kinda like saying you don't like PETA, thus you enjoy torturing animals.

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Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty View Post
Having been overseas that's generally not how it goes. People I talked about this sort of thing weren't angry at my wife and I, more confused and wondering how we felt about it. Which just ends up being a bonding session over how crazy the whole thing is.
I too have been overseas -- extensively. I've experienced it all.
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