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Old 16th November 2018, 09:46 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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"People are not being told that the Republican Party is on track to pick up two seats in the U.S. Senate, and epic victory: 53 to 47. The Fake News Media only wants to speak of the House, were the Midterm results were better than other sitting Presidents."
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Old 17th November 2018, 12:31 AM   #322
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The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.
Linky.

But we know how Trump feels about intelligence agency conclusions that he disagrees with.

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President Trump has resisted pinning the blame for the killing on Mohammed, who enjoys a close relationship with Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Privately, aides said, Trump has been shown evidence of the prince’s involvement but remains skeptical that Mohammed ordered the killing.

The president has also asked CIA and State Department officials where Khashoggi’s body is and has grown frustrated that they have not been able to provide an answer. The CIA does not know the location of Khashoggi’s remains, according to the people familiar with the agency’s assessment.

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Trump has told senior White House officials that he wants Mohammed to remain in power because Saudi Arabia helps to check Iran, which the administration considers its top security challenge in the Middle East. He has said that he does not want the controversy over Khashoggi’s death to impede oil production by the kingdom.
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Old 17th November 2018, 12:48 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I think you're underestimating the families. But I wasn't trying to suggest that everybody would turn on him, it's just that every time he disrespects the military more people actually affiliated with the military are going to go "you know what? I don't want to vote for this guy again". And I'd have thought that nobody would care more about honouring dead soldiers than other soldiers.
No don't be silly, that would only happen if he used the word "deplorable" about a percentage of them.
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Old 17th November 2018, 01:15 AM   #324
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Trump has told senior White House officials that he wants Mohammed to remain in power because Saudi Arabia helps to check Iran, which the administration considers its top security challenge in the Middle East. He has said that he does not want the controversy over Khashoggi’s death to impede oil production by the kingdom.
Well, Trump, you ******* dunce, Iran might not be as big a security challenge if you hadn't made blowing up our improving relationship with them one of your top priorities.

Trump is truly the littlest brain we've ever had in the White House, and I suspected that George W. Bush was developmentally disabled!
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Old 17th November 2018, 01:54 AM   #325
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Trump is excellent at one thing: trumping his own stupidity. Every time I think he couldn't say something more stupid, he goes and proves me wrong.
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Old 17th November 2018, 02:40 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
Well, Trump, you ******* dunce, Iran might not be as big a security challenge if you hadn't made blowing up our improving relationship with them one of your top priorities.

Yeah but, you know, Iran is one of those ****-hole countries.
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Old 17th November 2018, 09:18 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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"Isnít it ironic that large Caravans of people are marching to our border wanting U.S.A. asylum because they are fearful of being in their country - yet they are proudly waving...."

"....their countryís flag. Can this be possible? Yes, because it is all a BIG CON, and the American taxpayer is paying for it!"
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Now we are paying for the caravan?
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Yes. As a comparison, we've paid as much for the caravan now that the payments are equal to or even exceed the amount that Mexico has paid for The Wall That Wasn't.
You guys are forgetting the cost of keeping a bunch of troops near the border who are not only doing nothing for border security, but forbidden by law from doing so!
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Old 17th November 2018, 09:21 AM   #328
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I can get Nancy Pelosi as many votes as she wants in order for her to be Speaker of the House. She deserves this victory, she has earned it - but there are those in her party who are trying to take it away. She will win!
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Old 17th November 2018, 09:24 AM   #329
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You guys are forgetting the cost of keeping a bunch of troops near the border who are not only doing nothing for border security, but forbidden by law from doing so!
That's not paying for the caravan. That's paying the bills for a Republican election eve gambit that failed miserably. The federal government should charge the hundreds of millions back to the RNC and Trump 2020 campaigns.
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Old 17th November 2018, 10:17 AM   #330
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Mia Love, a Utah Republican candidate who had been dissed by Trump immediately after the election as a loser who lost because she failed to "embrace" him adequately, has now pulled narrowly ahead in the extended vote count. I would prefer the Democrat to win, but this would be next best under the circumstances.

Reminds me a little of of Beck Weathers, a Mt. Everest climber in 1996 who was abandoned by his team as dead, only to stumble into camp the next day after a horrid night exposed on the mountain. What could his team members say? "Oh, there you are! Er, how's things?"

If Love does indeed win I don't think Trump increased the chances she will support him in her voting.
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Old 17th November 2018, 10:31 AM   #331
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Letter embedded in tweet. TL:DR verion, Whitaker has been legally required to file two public disclosure of finance reports with the Department of Justice (first in February, then in May), who must then allow anybody who asks in writing to inspect them. They have ignored repeated requests for this, and there is currently no evidence that Whitaker has actually filed any.
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Old 17th November 2018, 10:33 AM   #332
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Mia Love, a Utah Republican candidate who had been dissed by Trump immediately after the election as a loser who lost because she failed to "embrace" him adequately, has now pulled narrowly ahead in the extended vote count. I would prefer the Democrat to win, but this would be next best under the circumstances.

Reminds me a little of of Beck Weathers, a Mt. Everest climber in 1996 who was abandoned by his team as dead, only to stumble into camp the next day after a horrid night exposed on the mountain. What could his team members say? "Oh, there you are! Er, how's things?"

If Love does indeed win I don't think Trump increased the chances she will support him in her voting.
Reading up on her just now, I see that she's a hard-right whackjob who voted with Trump 96% of the time. The problem from the standpoint of TrumpleThinSkin: Love opposed the tariffs. And her campaign only did a limited roll-out of a Trump robocall.

Imagine Heathers but with the Back to the Future Biff character as part of the cast.
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Old 17th November 2018, 10:41 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Mia Love, a Utah Republican candidate who had been dissed by Trump immediately after the election as a loser who lost because she failed to "embrace" him adequately, has now pulled narrowly ahead in the extended vote count. I would prefer the Democrat to win, but this would be next best under the circumstances.

Reminds me a little of of Beck Weathers, a Mt. Everest climber in 1996 who was abandoned by his team as dead, only to stumble into camp the next day after a horrid night exposed on the mountain. What could his team members say? "Oh, there you are! Er, how's things?"

If Love does indeed win I don't think Trump increased the chances she will support him in her voting.
Like Ted Cruz? Lindsey Graham? Pretty much all the rest of the continuing Republican politicians that Trump blames and insults?
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Old 17th November 2018, 10:52 AM   #334
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Reading up on her just now, I see that she's a hard-right whackjob who voted with Trump 96% of the time. The problem from the standpoint of TrumpleThinSkin: Love opposed the tariffs. And her campaign only did a limited roll-out of a Trump robocall.

Imagine Heathers but with the Back to the Future Biff character as part of the cast.
I believe the highlighted was covered with the words "Utah Republican."

The bottom line, of course, is that her winning is in no way a good thing for Trump opponents. The only gain would be the ephemeral pleasure of possibly annoying Trump; given that I'm not a hard-right whackjob, I don't find it that fulfilling to "trigger" others, even if they're Trump supporters. It certainly doesn't compare to eliminating another Republican from the Congress.
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I believe the highlighted was covered with the words "Utah Republican."

The bottom line, of course, is that her winning is in no way a good thing for Trump opponents. The only gain would be the ephemeral pleasure of possibly annoying Trump; given that I'm not a hard-right whackjob, I don't find it that fulfilling to "trigger" others, even if they're Trump supporters. It certainly doesn't compare to eliminating another Republican from the Congress.
The highlight. I was expressing my temporary, dark humor bemusement, not my actual feelings. I very much hope that the Democrat pulls ahead by the end of the count.
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Old 17th November 2018, 12:32 PM   #336
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It's delicious, isn't it? And this before the Democratic Party takes control of all those House committees. There'll be no Merry Xmas in the White House this year.
I don't know - Melania might be feeling festive.

ET: - Or do I mean Melanie?
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Trump Tweets

"The New York Times did a phony story, as usual, about my relationship with @VP Mike Pence. They made up sources and refused to ask me, the only one that would know, for a quote...."

"....I can’t imagine any President having a better or closer relationship with their Vice President then the two of us. Just more FAKE NEWS, the Enemy of the People!"


So that means they hate each other and haven't spoken directly for months.
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Old 17th November 2018, 12:42 PM   #338
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Like Ted Cruz? Lindsey Graham? Pretty much all the rest of the continuing Republican politicians that Trump blames and insults?
True, and I still do not understand this at all. Some of this obsequious behavior must come from fear of Trump's influence on the core Republican right-wing nutter voter base, a fear that perhaps might diminish a bit now after the midterms have demonstrated that Trump's endorsement is not always a plus.

I can only imagine what it must feel like be Cruz, Graham, etc. and every day have to keep smiling, nodding, and praising Trump despite all the insults and debasement. True of his cabinet too. How many showers must one take to feel clean again? It would be soul destroying, if one had a soul. Fortunately Cruz, Graham, etc. long ago sold or rented theirs...
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

"The New York Times did a phony story, as usual, about my relationship with @VP Mike Pence. They made up sources and refused to ask me, the only one that would know, for a quote...."

"....I canít imagine any President having a better or closer relationship with their Vice President then the two of us. Just more FAKE NEWS, the Enemy of the People!"


So that means they hate each other and haven't spoken directly for months.
You know Trump wrote this because the idiot doesn't know the difference between 'then' and 'than'.
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True, and I still do not understand this at all. Some of this obsequious behavior must come from fear of Trump's influence on the core Republican right-wing nutter voter base, a fear that perhaps might diminish a bit now after the midterms have demonstrated that Trump's endorsement is not always a plus.

I can only imagine what it must feel like be Cruz, Graham, etc. and every day have to keep smiling, nodding, and praising Trump despite all the insults and debasement. True of his cabinet too. How many showers must one take to feel clean again? It would be soul destroying, if one had a soul. Fortunately Cruz, Graham, etc. long ago sold or rented theirs...
That's why I think that when the time comes, Trump's support is going to collapse.

Any of his allies with any semblance of an ego will despise him. As soon as it's in their interest, they'll enjoy kicking him, and as soon as one starts to abandon him, the arithmetic for the remaining support changes.

I also fully expect him to get progressively more unhinged as things go wrong for him especially in the house. I'm sure enough of his base like him acting like a winning bully, but a humiliated bully is not such cool look.
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True, and I still do not understand this at all. Some of this obsequious behavior must come from fear of Trump's influence on the core Republican right-wing nutter voter base, a fear that perhaps might diminish a bit now after the midterms have demonstrated that Trump's endorsement is not always a plus....

Check out the way Putin reined in the Russian oligarchs.

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That's why I think that when the time comes, Trump's support is going to collapse.

Any of his allies with any semblance of an ego will despise him. As soon as it's in their interest, they'll enjoy kicking him, and as soon as one starts to abandon him, the arithmetic for the remaining support changes.

I also fully expect him to get progressively more unhinged as things go wrong for him especially in the house. I'm sure enough of his base like him acting like a winning bully, but a humiliated bully is not such cool look.
If Trump's fawning performance with Putin in Helsinki, where he said he believed Putin over his own intelligence agencies and where Putin explicitly said he wanted Trump to be President, wasn't enough to wake up his supporters, it's hard to imagine what would.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/62960...ering-whats-up
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If Trump's fawning performance with Putin in Helsinki, where he said he believed Putin over his own intelligence agencies and where Putin explicitly said he wanted Trump to be President, wasn't enough to wake up his supporters, it's hard to imagine what would.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/62960...ering-whats-up
Looking like someone losing on their own terms.
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That's why I think that when the time comes, Trump's support is going to collapse.

Any of his allies with any semblance of an ego will despise him. As soon as it's in their interest, they'll enjoy kicking him, and as soon as one starts to abandon him, the arithmetic for the remaining support changes.

I also fully expect him to get progressively more unhinged as things go wrong for him especially in the house. I'm sure enough of his base like him acting like a winning bully, but a humiliated bully is not such cool look.
That is my expectation too. Once he is finally perceived as weak enough all the smoldering resentments will come out and his smiling "friends" will turn on him big time.
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That is my expectation too. Once he is finally perceived as weak enough all the smoldering resentments will come out and his smiling "friends" will turn on him big time.
Watch for Republicans setting up presidential campaigns over the next several months. They'll need to be pulling in big money and campaigning by the summer at the very latest if any of them are serious about pulling the nomination away from the sitting president.
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Not going to happen. With a Trump scandal enough to pull him down, they name Nikki Haley at the last minute.
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Not going to happen. With a Trump scandal enough to pull him down, they name birthright citizen Nikki Haley at the last minute.
FTFY.
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FWIW, I've not seen a primary source on this, but I've seen it alleged that Trump's answers to Mueller's questions will mostly consist of quotes that are already in the public domain. I'd guess that his lawyers will be doing so in the hopes that this will avoid any contradictions.

And this would be a way to validate the claim that he answered all the questions by himself.
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And this would be a way to validate the claim that he answered all the questions by himself.
That would prove he did NOT answer by himself. He contradicts himself in the public domain.

ETA: Never mind - i misread your post.
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That is my expectation too. Once he is finally perceived as weak enough all the smoldering resentments will come out and his smiling "friends" will turn on him big time.
Like when a troop of chimps spot that the alpha male is weak, then they rip him to shreds and even eat his flesh?

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Like when a troop of chimps spot that the alpha male is weak, then they rip him to shreds and even eat his flesh?

I live in hope
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link is 2015 data (2013 Data below):
UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending
US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending
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Old 17th November 2018, 04:15 PM   #352
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
Well, Trump, you ******* dunce, Iran might not be as big a security challenge if you hadn't made blowing up our improving relationship with them one of your top priorities.
Trump will never understand that the US has no actual beef with Iran. In fact, the US could disengage entirely from the Middle East at no significant strategic or economic cost.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
TLR verion, Whitaker has been legally required to file two public disclosure of finance reports with the Department of Justice (first in February, then in May), who must then allow anybody who asks in writing to inspect them. They have ignored repeated requests for this, and there is currently no evidence that Whitaker has actually filed any.
If Trump's plan for stifling the Mueller investigation depends on Whitaker's insertion as AG, we can rest assured he has no sensible plan at all.
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Old 17th November 2018, 04:35 PM   #354
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If Trump's plan for stifling the Mueller investigation depends on Whitaker's insertion as AG, we can rest assured he has no sensible plan at all.
It depends on how quickly and completely he can do it. Until the next House session starts, there is no evidence that Congress will lift a pinky finger to prevent Trump from doing anything he wants.
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It depends on how quickly and completely he can do it. Until the next House session starts, there is no evidence that Congress will lift a pinky finger to prevent Trump from doing anything he wants.
Trump can only act through legitimate agents : Whitaker's legitimacy is questionable. Then there's Whitaker's association with a company that scammed veterans, which probably never came up in conversations about the Mueller investigation - an entirely unrelated matter, very unjust, but why bring it up?


White House SNAFU.
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
Trump can only act through legitimate agents : Whitaker's legitimacy is questionable.
Trump can act through anyone he chooses, if nobody steps up to stop him.

Just ask Robert Bork's decaying corpse.

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Check out the way Putin reined in the Russian oligarchs.

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It's similar.
Now that was presidential. I loved the part where he asked for his pen back.
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Trump can act through anyone he chooses, if nobody steps up to stop him.
If Trump has chosen Whitaker to act through he's screwed. Legions of lawyers and judges stand ready to pounce.
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If Trump has chosen Whitaker to act through he's screwed. Legions of lawyers and judges stand ready to pounce.
*Laughs* Okay whatever you say. That's worked so well so far.
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If Trump's fawning performance with Putin in Helsinki, where he said he believed Putin over his own intelligence agencies and where Putin explicitly said he wanted Trump to be President, wasn't enough to wake up his supporters, it's hard to imagine what would.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/62960...ering-whats-up
Well, it did wake them. That's when they started sporting "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" t-shirts.
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