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Old 25th November 2018, 11:33 PM   #1
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"Republicans are least supportive of making it easy for everyone to vote"

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ryone-to-vote/
Only about a third of conservative Republicans (36%) favor doing everything possible to make it easy to vote, compared with a majority (65%) of moderate and liberal Republicans. (A report earlier this year, based on 2017 data, found that conservatives constituted a majority – 68% – of Republican and Republican-leaning registered voters; moderates and liberals made up about a third of GOP voters, or 31%.)
Edit: The subject should actually start with "Conservative Republicans".

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Old 25th November 2018, 11:44 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd View Post
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ryone-to-vote/
Only about a third of conservative Republicans (36%) favor doing everything possible to make it easy to vote, compared with a majority (65%) of moderate and liberal Republicans. (A report earlier this year, based on 2017 data, found that conservatives constituted a majority – 68% – of Republican and Republican-leaning registered voters; moderates and liberals made up about a third of GOP voters, or 31%.)
Edit: The subject should actually start with "Conservative Republicans".
Interesting. Still, it looks like about half of all Republicans want to make it easy to vote and that's a little higher than I might have guessed. And a slim majority of Republicans want convicted felons to have the franchise, which I never would have guessed. They should probably tell the guys running their party. They don't seem to agree.
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Old 25th November 2018, 11:50 PM   #3
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First, the thread title seems like a no brainer.

Second, when the felons-can-vote legislation passed in FL without much apparent resistance, first thing I thought of was how many white-supremacists with all their love of punching people are felons in FL? There seems to be a lot of violence in that particular demographic.

Not saying all Republicans mind you.

Maybe they are counting on those over-represented blacks to not be voters.
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Old 25th November 2018, 11:53 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Civet View Post
Interesting. Still, it looks like about half of all Republicans want to make it easy to vote and that's a little higher than I might have guessed. And a slim majority of Republicans want convicted felons to have the franchise, which I never would have guessed. They should probably tell the guys running their party. They don't seem to agree.
Are we talking here about what Republicans tell pollsters or what Republicans actually believe?
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Old 26th November 2018, 12:33 AM   #5
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I think that the polls don't matter as long as elected Republicans actively seek to suppress voters, purge voting rolls and outright steal elections.
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Old 26th November 2018, 07:19 AM   #6
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Republicans also claim to want a balanced budget, but their chosen representatives show a rather different story.
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Old 26th November 2018, 07:28 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Republicans also claim to want a balanced budget, but their chosen representatives show a rather different story.
If you cut enough Benefits, you can run a Budget Surplus even without collecting any taxes.
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Old 26th November 2018, 08:29 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
First, the thread title seems like a no brainer.

Second, when the felons-can-vote legislation passed in FL without much apparent resistance, first thing I thought of was how many white-supremacists with all their love of punching people are felons in FL? There seems to be a lot of violence in that particular demographic.

Not saying all Republicans mind you.

Maybe they are counting on those over-represented blacks to not be voters.
I don't know about the whole white supremacist things, but you're on to something in general I think. About 1 in 10 adults in Florida were convicted felons, probably in part to "tough on crime" policies that make everything a crime and most crimes a felony.

With so many people being felons, it's not hard for a large portion of the population to be sympathetic to these people. It's hard to gin up "us vs them" when the "them" group includes such a wide swath of society.
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Old 26th November 2018, 09:23 AM   #9
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The Florida initiative does not apply to all felons. Those convicted of murder or sexual assault don't get the right to vote back, ever. Only felons who have completed their entire sentence - jail/prison, and the entire term of parole get the right to vote back. So many of the more problematic felons won't get to vote if they keep doing minor things that extend the length of the jail and parole terms.

Some articles have pointed out the the prohibition on felon voting was more or less a Jim Crow law, albeit one that didn't specifically mention race and thus survived longer than most other Jim Crow laws. Coming out of an era when the entire state legal system was geared to be racially unbalanced, this specific law didn't need to mention race to have that racial impact.

Florida's felon voting ban dates back to Jim Crow: 'This is the unfinished business of the civil rights movement'

Voters kill remnants of Jim Crow in Florida and Louisiana

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Florida's strict felon disenfranchisement law is a relic of the period of Reconstruction after the Civil War, when black people were given the right to vote. In response, many states, particularly in the South, enacted laws that sought to limit their freedoms, mainly by toughening penalties for crimes and then targeting black people with biased enforcement. With more black people convicted of crimes, limiting felons' ability to vote undermined their political power.

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Old 26th November 2018, 10:08 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
If you cut enough Benefits, you can run a Budget Surplus even without collecting any taxes.
Of course not medicare and social security those are not benefits or something.
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Old 26th November 2018, 11:37 AM   #11
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I think we need a new type of Godwin's Rule for people mentioning white supremacy.
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Old 26th November 2018, 11:40 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
I think we need a new type of Godwin's Rule for people mentioning white supremacy.
Sure when people talk about modern politics and Trump in particular the odds of the conversation involving white supremacy goes to 1 the longer the conversation.

But really as someone who gets his facts from @whitegenocidetm why should this be surprising? The original formulation of Godwin was not about it being a fallacy or losing the argument.

Trump at least gets white supremacist twitters in his feed that much is a given.
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Old 26th November 2018, 12:15 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Sure when people talk about modern politics and Trump in particular the odds of the conversation involving white supremacy goes to 1 the longer the conversation.
Good to see that you agree.

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But really as someone who gets his facts from @whitegenocidetm why should this be surprising? The original formulation of Godwin was not about it being a fallacy or losing the argument.
You seem to be a bit out of touch with reality from this point on.

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Trump at least gets white supremacist twitters in his feed that much is a given.
Your grammar is heading in the same direction as your critical thinking skills. Not a good look.
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Old 26th November 2018, 12:42 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
You seem to be a bit out of touch with reality from this point on.
See I am using actual facts not alternate ones.

See this is the true formulation of Godwins Law.

""As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

It says nothing about it being invalid or wrong, just that as discussion progresses it will eventually go there.

Here is Mike Godwin who formulated Godwins law talking about the appropriateness of looking at comparisons between Trump and nazi policy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a7892171.html

As for Trump retweeting white supremacists see,

http://fortune.com/donald-trump-whit...cist-genocide/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ng-hate-groups

Then there was of course the time that his campaign got an image from a nazi forum and shared it with the world.

When does this add up to actually condoning the "fine people" like the white supremacists marching at charlottesville?
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The Florida initiative does not apply to all felons. Those convicted of murder or sexual assault don't get the right to vote back, ever.
Not such a fundamental right after all.
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
I think we need a new type of Godwin's Rule for people mentioning white supremacy.
I'm sure white supremacists would agree.
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A lot of Republicans are kind and decent people. Not all of them are like the ones you find on this board.
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
A lot of Republicans are kind and decent people. Not all of them are like the ones you find on this board.
Maybe, but the ones in elected positions are disgusting people, which leads me to believe that their base of supporters are also disgusting.
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Old 27th November 2018, 12:47 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
A lot of Republicans are kind and decent people. Not all of them are like the ones you find on this board.
These two statements are, of course, not in any way related.

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd
Only about a third of conservative Republicans (36%) favor doing everything possible to make it easy to vote,
Everything possible? Hard to believe that such a high proportion feel so strongly about the issue. Or perhaps they have a different definition of 'possible'.

"Oh yes, we should do everything possible to make it easy to vote - Republican".
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I'm sure white supremacists would agree.
Oh but you see, we now live in a reality where even self proclaimed out-and-proud white supremacists aren't actually white supremacists.

It's all a libruhl conspiracy to make the far-right look bad.
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