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Old 2nd December 2018, 08:31 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I'm a bit jealous of people who, rather that admit Dear Leader did something wrong, can twist and contort themselves in their efforts to excuse his rancid behaviour, so that they more resemble a pretzel than a person. Adorable! Fantastic even!

Hooboy!
A 20-page attention whoring fest under the guise of an argument about "perjury traps" and people pleading guilty to not-crimes is an oddity the first time.

I grew disenchanted with it about the dozenth time, something like 8 or 9 months ago.

YMMV :9
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Old 2nd December 2018, 08:49 PM   #162
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Link is a year and a half old.
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Old 2nd December 2018, 08:58 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by sts60 View Post
Trump is in trouble because of his vanity, greed, dishonesty, and lack of regard for anything other than himself.

He’s in more trouble because he’s been able to get away with stuff up to now, enthusiastically aided and abetted by a cynical coalition of criminals, kleptocrats, crackpots, con men, Klansmen, wife-beaters, assorted nincompoops, trolls, and traitors. But he’s never had to deal with a team of smart, disciplined, incorruptible prosecutors and investigators like Mueller’s. These aren’t cheaply-bought mooks like Bondi and Paxton. They’re not interested in owning Twitter for the day, or cable ratings or book deals. They’re all about getting to the bottom of it. Trump thinks he can out-Fox them. That’s precious.
Agreed.

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Please pardon the ignorance of this question, but doesnt one issue related to legal activities by the president have to do with whether or not he reported all these activities and all these contacts accurately in federal election disclosure forms?
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Old 2nd December 2018, 09:21 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Link is a year and a half old.
Mmm. Thanks for that. Still, I'm wondering if that will be included in a final report as part of the attempts to make quid pro quo happen.
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Old 3rd December 2018, 03:40 AM   #165
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You mean on the show that I posted about here
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...36029032710145

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It took two years, and required surviving a gauntlet of major-media hitpieces, but this feed's money-for-sanctions relief "theory of the case," developed in early '17 and since then retweeted half million times across scores of lengthy threads, is now becoming conventional wisdom
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Old 3rd December 2018, 03:55 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
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Hey, Mueller, look over here. @Maddow has found the collusion. Follow the sanctions. If this whole cable news show thing doesn’t work out for you, Rachel, you have a real future in the FBI
High praise indeed. This is why Trump sycophants and the alt-right hate her so much... she is way, way smarter than any of them.
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Seth Abramson thread on the *other* Trump Tower Moscow deal
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Old 3rd December 2018, 04:03 AM   #168
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Barb McQuade
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Hey, Mueller, look over here. @Maddow has found the collusion. Follow the sanctions. If this whole cable news show thing doesn’t work out for you, Rachel, you have a real future in the FBI
High praise indeed. This is why Trump sycophants and the alt-right hate her so much... she is way, way smarter than any of them.
The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while.
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And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html
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Old 3rd December 2018, 04:16 AM   #170
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while.
Well, I do watch her show and have done so for at least the last two years - Ari Melber's as well since late last year.

Maddow has been on this Trump/Russia thing since before he was elected; I don't think there is any TV News host who knows this stuff better than she does. She had Dmitry Peskov nailed as a key figure back in 2016, and about that time, she interviewed a linguist (can't remember his name) who worked out that Guccifer 2.0 wasn't Romanian as he claimed, but Russian.

In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP.
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Old 3rd December 2018, 05:46 AM   #171
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In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP.
That would be counter-productive. It would let the Trumpists write them both off in one stroke of conspiracy theorizing.
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Old 3rd December 2018, 07:31 AM   #172
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html
A child yes, but a disingenuous grifting Trumpster? Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html
How about a Little Puppy?
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Old 3rd December 2018, 08:59 AM   #174
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Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence.

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!
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Old 3rd December 2018, 09:01 AM   #175
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That actually sounds extremely unfair when you put it that way. It is targeting a disability.
Good God, Bob, I really try not to respond to you, because I think you're not really an honest arguer, but rather the worst extreme of devil's advocates.

But this takes the cake. Lying with impunity isn't a disability, it is a character flaw. I say that as a congenital liar (which, to be fair, means that perhaps you should doubt my word).
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You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term?
"Taxis"?
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Taxis are for plebs. Important people have limos.

(Cohen ran a fleet of taxis.)
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Old 3rd December 2018, 09:23 AM   #178
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence.

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!
He's really scared, isn't he?

As for Stone, we'll see. Cohen said he'd take a bullet for Trump, and now here we are.
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He's really scared, isn't he?
Terrified, as evidenced by his thought-stream on Twitter. Too many skeletons in too many closets.
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Taxis are for plebs. Important people have limos.

(Cohen ran a fleet of taxis.)
Oh!
I assume there's a question mark over something to do with that.

Just seemed a bit random...
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If Muller has the goods on Trump, then he doesn't have any need to trap him because the evidence will speak for itself already, In asking questions he's giving Trump the opportunity to tell his side and come clean about the matters. If he doesn't, and Muller has the goods, then it's not going to be a case of perjury landing on Trump, it's going to be all the evidence of every crime he's committed and every conspiracy he's been a part of.
That says it all. All the lying shows that they are hiding something much more serious. This is why the lying is a crime in of itself. An investigator's job is to get to the bottom of what happened. It's not to hang a scalp on the wall. Mueller, Comey and Rosenstein are ALL lifetime Republicans. So why would they be interested in getting Trump and his administration? The answer is they are not. But those three are all lifetime law enforcement professionals who know and understand when something stinks in Denmark.

I think it's quite interesting to compare the Trump investigation with the Hillary email investigation. The email investigation was politically motivated pushed by Republican politicians that the law enforcement professionals didn't think very highly of because they knew it was a nothinburger almost from day one. The law professionals were still going to do their jobs though. In contrast, the politicians in power wanted nothing to do with investigating Trump and his cabal, but all the cops could see that it was a **** show of crimes and illegal actions.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence.

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!
I think someone's lawyers gave him some bad news.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19316319035392

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“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/statu...22944152911872

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File under “18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1512”
https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...26379484975106

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George is right. This is genuinely looking like witness tampering. DOJ (at least with a nonfake AG) prosecutes cases like these all the time. The fact it's done out in the open is no defense. Trump is genuinely melting down, and no good lawyer can represent him under these circs
https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...22708013596672

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I’ve never heard a public official speak this way before Trump. This sounds like something the criminals I used to prosecute would say.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while.
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Well, I do watch her show and have done so for at least the last two years - Ari Melber's as well since late last year.

Maddow has been on this Trump/Russia thing since before he was elected; I don't think there is any TV News host who knows this stuff better than she does. She had Dmitry Peskov nailed as a key figure back in 2016, and about that time, she interviewed a linguist (can't remember his name) who worked out that Guccifer 2.0 wasn't Romanian as he claimed, but Russian.

In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP.
I don't think that Maddow is necessarily more in the know than all the other journalists, but like smartcooky, I too have been a regular viewer of Maddow. What sets her apart from her colleagues is that in show after show she goes into all the minutiae and why each dot is important and how it connects to the others. It takes patience to watch her show because often she goes over and over and over certain points and you can get bored by it. But that is also the beauty of her show. You end up seeing clearly the picture all those pixels make.
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Corsi files the criminal complaint against Mueller, alleges bid to seek false testimony https://fxn.ws/2EaMciS #FoxNews The complaint my attorneys filed today w DOJ asking for replacement & investigation of politically-motivated & criminally-driven Mueller investigation
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Jerome Corsi’s defense strategy is essentially that of an eight-year-old: “I’m not charged with a federal crime! YOU’RE charged with a federal crime.”

This is a terrible federal criminal defense strategy, or, in the context of Trump associates, a slightly above average one.
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1069637200373985280

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Seems like a good moment to rerun this series on whether “I filed a federal criminal complaint” means anything [no]
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Well, Trump should know about witness tampering since he's the first president to engage in it since Nixon (and Nixon's case wasn't for his own benefit).
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You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term?
“Taxis"?

I’m now picturing Trump hailing a cab and Cohen jumping into it and being driven away, leaving Donnie standing on his own like an Argentinian president.
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He's really scared, isn't he?

As for Stone, we'll see. Cohen said he'd take a bullet for Trump, and now here we are.
He obviously meant that he would accept ammunition donations to shoot Trump in the back, given the opportunity.
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He obviously meant that he would accept ammunition donations to shoot Trump in the back, given the opportunity.
I don't think he's shooting Trump in the back. No, Trump can see the bullets coming as he peers down the barrel.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free.
Who is Scott Free, and why are Cohen's inlaws on him?
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Old 3rd December 2018, 11:54 AM   #193
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This is a fair point: https://twitter.com/normative/status...52211033100288

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Trump is demanding an outcome in a specific case from a judge, who he has the power to reward with appointment to higher office. The outcome he is demanding would, of course, have the effect of deterring other witnesses’ cooperation with Mueller.
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It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'. He surely has to know that Mueller would not just take Cohen's word and gone ahead with the case against him without documentary evidence to back up what he has claimed.... (remember all those hundreds of recordings that Cohen made?)

Trumps tweeting is directed solely at his base; and they lap up Dear Leader's proclamations uncritically like a puppy laps up milk. They are the only ones stupid enough to believe any of the crap he spouts.
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Old 3rd December 2018, 11:56 AM   #195
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'.
Yeah but Trump IS beyond stupid. I mean, he has his own category of idiocy.
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Old 3rd December 2018, 11:57 AM   #196
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https://twitter.com/tschneiderlaw/st...52595042541568

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I've had multiple clients charged with witness intimidation for a hell of a lot less than what we're seeing from the Charlatan-in-Chief.
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I enjoy how this thread has degenerated into basically trolling twitter for tweets that people like and reposting them without comment.

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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'. He surely has to know that Mueller would not just take Cohen's word and gone ahead with the case against him without documentary evidence to back up what he has claimed.... (remember all those hundreds of recordings that Cohen made?)

Trumps tweeting is directed solely at his base; and they lap up Dear Leader's proclamations uncritically like a puppy laps up milk. They are the only ones stupid enough to believe any of the crap he spouts.
Evidence for the last paragraph?

Oh, post #197
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I enjoy how this thread has degenerated into basically trolling twitter for tweets that people like and reposting them without comment.
I like that your posts to this thread are either absurd or dishonest.

Your President was constantly lying about his dealings with Russia while campaigning to become President. That he was selling the democratic sovereign nation of Ukraine to Putin's criminal dictatorship for financing from Russia. That he was willing to kickback to Putin a 50 million dollar penthouse.

Are you saying that this was neither criminal nor nefarious? Seriously? Or do believe that it is Cohen that is lying and not Trump? And out of curiosity, don't you think Trump has been engaged almost from day one of obstructing justice?

How is it that can continue to support this traitor?
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Evidence for the last paragraph?

Oh, post #197
My post that folks are lapping up Dear Leftists' proclamations uncritically like a puppy laps up milk and reposting tweets with zero comment is evidence that Trump's fans are doing likewise?

Hilarious!
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