Mueller Investigation pt4 - Page 5

Delphic Oracle · 2nd December 2018, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I'm a bit jealous of people who, rather that admit Dear Leader did something wrong, can twist and contort themselves in their efforts to excuse his rancid behaviour, so that they more resemble a pretzel than a person. Adorable! Fantastic even!

Hooboy!

A 20-page attention whoring fest under the guise of an argument about "perjury traps" and people pleading guilty to not-crimes is an oddity the first time.

I grew disenchanted with it about the dozenth time, something like 8 or 9 months ago.

YMMV :9

Trebuchet · 2nd December 2018, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

Trump administration 'had a secret plan to lift Russian sanctions' and cede Ukraine territory to Moscow.

I wonder if we'll be hearing more about this on the Mueller front.

Link is a year and a half old.

Ladewig · 2nd December 2018, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by sts60

Trump is in trouble because of his vanity, greed, dishonesty, and lack of regard for anything other than himself.

He’s in more trouble because he’s been able to get away with stuff up to now, enthusiastically aided and abetted by a cynical coalition of criminals, kleptocrats, crackpots, con men, Klansmen, wife-beaters, assorted nincompoops, trolls, and traitors. But he’s never had to deal with a team of smart, disciplined, incorruptible prosecutors and investigators like Mueller’s. These aren’t cheaply-bought mooks like Bondi and Paxton. They’re not interested in owning Twitter for the day, or cable ratings or book deals. They’re all about getting to the bottom of it. Trump thinks he can out-Fox them. That’s precious.

Agreed.

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Please pardon the ignorance of this question, but doesnt one issue related to legal activities by the president have to do with whether or not he reported all these activities and all these contacts accurately in federal election disclosure forms?

Aridas · 2nd December 2018, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Link is a year and a half old.

Mmm. Thanks for that. Still, I'm wondering if that will be included in a final report as part of the attempts to make quid pro quo happen.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

You mean on the show that I posted about here

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...36029032710145

Quote:

It took two years, and required surviving a gauntlet of major-media hitpieces, but this feed's money-for-sanctions relief "theory of the case," developed in early '17 and since then retweeted half million times across scores of lengthy threads, is now becoming conventional wisdom

smartcooky · 3rd December 2018, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...36029032710145

Barb McQuade
‏Verified account @BarbMcQuade

Hey, Mueller, look over here. @Maddow has found the collusion. Follow the sanctions. If this whole cable news show thing doesn’t work out for you, Rachel, you have a real future in the FBI

High praise indeed. This is why Trump sycophants and the alt-right hate her so much... she is way, way smarter than any of them.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 03:58 AM

Seth Abramson thread on the *other* Trump Tower Moscow deal

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Barb McQuade
‏Verified account @BarbMcQuade

Hey, Mueller, look over here. @Maddow has found the collusion. Follow the sanctions. If this whole cable news show thing doesn’t work out for you, Rachel, you have a real future in the FBI

High praise indeed. This is why Trump sycophants and the alt-right hate her so much... she is way, way smarter than any of them.

The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while.

smartcooky · 3rd December 2018, 04:05 AM

And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html

smartcooky · 3rd December 2018, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while.

Well, I do watch her show and have done so for at least the last two years - Ari Melber's as well since late last year.

Maddow has been on this Trump/Russia thing since before he was elected; I don't think there is any TV News host who knows this stuff better than she does. She had Dmitry Peskov nailed as a key figure back in 2016, and about that time, she interviewed a linguist (can't remember his name) who worked out that Guccifer 2.0 wasn't Romanian as he claimed, but Russian.

In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP.

Beelzebuddy · 3rd December 2018, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP.

That would be counter-productive. It would let the Trumpists write them both off in one stroke of conspiracy theorizing.

The Shrike · 3rd December 2018, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html

A child yes, but a disingenuous grifting Trumpster? Time will tell.

fagin · 3rd December 2018, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html

How about a Little Puppy?

Captain_Swoop · 3rd December 2018, 08:59 AM

Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence.

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!

phiwum · 3rd December 2018, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

That actually sounds extremely unfair when you put it that way. It is targeting a disability.

Good God, Bob, I really try not to respond to you, because I think you're not really an honest arguer, but rather the worst extreme of devil's advocates.

But this takes the cake. Lying with impunity isn't a disability, it is a character flaw. I say that as a congenital liar (which, to be fair, means that perhaps you should doubt my word).

Tolls · 3rd December 2018, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term?

"Taxis"?

fagin · 3rd December 2018, 09:12 AM

Taxis are for plebs. Important people have limos.

(Cohen ran a fleet of taxis.)

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence.

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!

He's really scared, isn't he?

As for Stone, we'll see. Cohen said he'd take a bullet for Trump, and now here we are.

Belz... · 3rd December 2018, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

He's really scared, isn't he?

Terrified, as evidenced by his thought-stream on Twitter. Too many skeletons in too many closets.

Tolls · 3rd December 2018, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by fagin

Taxis are for plebs. Important people have limos.

(Cohen ran a fleet of taxis.)

Oh!
I assume there's a question mark over something to do with that.

Just seemed a bit random...

acbytesla · 3rd December 2018, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

If Muller has the goods on Trump, then he doesn't have any need to trap him because the evidence will speak for itself already, In asking questions he's giving Trump the opportunity to tell his side and come clean about the matters. If he doesn't, and Muller has the goods, then it's not going to be a case of perjury landing on Trump, it's going to be all the evidence of every crime he's committed and every conspiracy he's been a part of.

That says it all. All the lying shows that they are hiding something much more serious. This is why the lying is a crime in of itself. An investigator's job is to get to the bottom of what happened. It's not to hang a scalp on the wall. Mueller, Comey and Rosenstein are ALL lifetime Republicans. So why would they be interested in getting Trump and his administration? The answer is they are not. But those three are all lifetime law enforcement professionals who know and understand when something stinks in Denmark.

I think it's quite interesting to compare the Trump investigation with the Hillary email investigation. The email investigation was politically motivated pushed by Republican politicians that the law enforcement professionals didn't think very highly of because they knew it was a nothinburger almost from day one. The law professionals were still going to do their jobs though. In contrast, the politicians in power wanted nothing to do with investigating Trump and his cabal, but all the cops could see that it was a **** show of crimes and illegal actions.

Stacko · 3rd December 2018, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence.

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!

I think someone's lawyers gave him some bad news.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 09:44 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19316319035392

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“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/statu...22944152911872

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File under “18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1512”

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...26379484975106

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George is right. This is genuinely looking like witness tampering. DOJ (at least with a nonfake AG) prosecutes cases like these all the time. The fact it's done out in the open is no defense. Trump is genuinely melting down, and no good lawyer can represent him under these circs

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...22708013596672

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I’ve never heard a public official speak this way before Trump. This sounds like something the criminals I used to prosecute would say.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 10:06 AM

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/sta...18019497996288

Quote:

NEW: Trump asked to appeal negative rulings in DC/MD emoluments suit. Judge said no. DOJ now plans to appeal anyway.

Article embedded in tweet.

acbytesla · 3rd December 2018, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while.

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Well, I do watch her show and have done so for at least the last two years - Ari Melber's as well since late last year.

Maddow has been on this Trump/Russia thing since before he was elected; I don't think there is any TV News host who knows this stuff better than she does. She had Dmitry Peskov nailed as a key figure back in 2016, and about that time, she interviewed a linguist (can't remember his name) who worked out that Guccifer 2.0 wasn't Romanian as he claimed, but Russian.

In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP.

I don't think that Maddow is necessarily more in the know than all the other journalists, but like smartcooky, I too have been a regular viewer of Maddow. What sets her apart from her colleagues is that in show after show she goes into all the minutiae and why each dot is important and how it connects to the others. It takes patience to watch her show because often she goes over and over and over certain points and you can get bored by it. But that is also the beauty of her show. You end up seeing clearly the picture all those pixels make.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 10:08 AM

https://twitter.com/jerome_corsi/sta...34372062580738

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Corsi files the criminal complaint against Mueller, alleges bid to seek false testimony https://fxn.ws/2EaMciS #FoxNews The complaint my attorneys filed today w DOJ asking for replacement & investigation of politically-motivated & criminally-driven Mueller investigation

Article embedded in tweet.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 10:10 AM

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1069635489542488065

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Jerome Corsi’s defense strategy is essentially that of an eight-year-old: “I’m not charged with a federal crime! YOU’RE charged with a federal crime.”

This is a terrible federal criminal defense strategy, or, in the context of Trump associates, a slightly above average one.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1069637200373985280

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Seems like a good moment to rerun this series on whether “I filed a federal criminal complaint” means anything [no]

P.J. Denyer · 3rd December 2018, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19316319035392

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/statu...22944152911872

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...26379484975106

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...22708013596672

Well, Trump should know about witness tampering since he's the first president to engage in it since Nixon (and Nixon's case wasn't for his own benefit).

Mojo · 3rd December 2018, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

Quote:

You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term?

“Taxis"?

I’m now picturing Trump hailing a cab and Cohen jumping into it and being driven away, leaving Donnie standing on his own like an Argentinian president.

The Great Zaganza · 3rd December 2018, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

He's really scared, isn't he?

As for Stone, we'll see. Cohen said he'd take a bullet for Trump, and now here we are.

He obviously meant that he would accept ammunition donations to shoot Trump in the back, given the opportunity.

acbytesla · 3rd December 2018, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

He obviously meant that he would accept ammunition donations to shoot Trump in the back, given the opportunity.

I don't think he's shooting Trump in the back. No, Trump can see the bullets coming as he peers down the barrel.

timhau · 3rd December 2018, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free.

Who is Scott Free, and why are Cohen's inlaws on him?

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 11:54 AM

This is a fair point: https://twitter.com/normative/status...52211033100288

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Trump is demanding an outcome in a specific case from a judge, who he has the power to reward with appointment to higher office. The outcome he is demanding would, of course, have the effect of deterring other witnesses’ cooperation with Mueller.

smartcooky · 3rd December 2018, 11:55 AM

It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'. He surely has to know that Mueller would not just take Cohen's word and gone ahead with the case against him without documentary evidence to back up what he has claimed.... (remember all those hundreds of recordings that Cohen made?)

Trumps tweeting is directed solely at his base; and they lap up Dear Leader's proclamations uncritically like a puppy laps up milk. They are the only ones stupid enough to believe any of the crap he spouts.

Belz... · 3rd December 2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'.

Yeah but Trump IS beyond stupid. I mean, he has his own category of idiocy.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 3rd December 2018, 11:57 AM

https://twitter.com/tschneiderlaw/st...52595042541568

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I've had multiple clients charged with witness intimidation for a hell of a lot less than what we're seeing from the Charlatan-in-Chief.

The Big Dog · 3rd December 2018, 12:06 PM

I enjoy how this thread has degenerated into basically trolling twitter for tweets that people like and reposting them without comment.

www.twitter.com

Quote:

Trump Bad!

Solid jackson.

jimbob · 3rd December 2018, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'. He surely has to know that Mueller would not just take Cohen's word and gone ahead with the case against him without documentary evidence to back up what he has claimed.... (remember all those hundreds of recordings that Cohen made?)

Trumps tweeting is directed solely at his base; and they lap up Dear Leader's proclamations uncritically like a puppy laps up milk. They are the only ones stupid enough to believe any of the crap he spouts.

Evidence for the last paragraph?

Oh, post #197

acbytesla · 3rd December 2018, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

I enjoy how this thread has degenerated into basically trolling twitter for tweets that people like and reposting them without comment.

I like that your posts to this thread are either absurd or dishonest.

Your President was constantly lying about his dealings with Russia while campaigning to become President. That he was selling the democratic sovereign nation of Ukraine to Putin's criminal dictatorship for financing from Russia. That he was willing to kickback to Putin a 50 million dollar penthouse.

Are you saying that this was neither criminal nor nefarious? Seriously? Or do believe that it is Cohen that is lying and not Trump? And out of curiosity, don't you think Trump has been engaged almost from day one of obstructing justice?

How is it that can continue to support this traitor?

The Big Dog · 3rd December 2018, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Evidence for the last paragraph?

Oh, post #197

My post that folks are lapping up Dear Leftists' proclamations uncritically like a puppy laps up milk and reposting tweets with zero comment is evidence that Trump's fans are doing likewise?

Hilarious!

2nd December 2018, 08:49 PM	#162
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 19,096	Originally Posted by Aridas Trump administration 'had a secret plan to lift Russian sanctions' and cede Ukraine territory to Moscow. I wonder if we'll be hearing more about this on the Mueller front. Link is a year and a half old.
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2nd December 2018, 08:58 PM	#163
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 26,076	Originally Posted by sts60 Trump is in trouble because of his vanity, greed, dishonesty, and lack of regard for anything other than himself. He’s in more trouble because he’s been able to get away with stuff up to now, enthusiastically aided and abetted by a cynical coalition of criminals, kleptocrats, crackpots, con men, Klansmen, wife-beaters, assorted nincompoops, trolls, and traitors. But he’s never had to deal with a team of smart, disciplined, incorruptible prosecutors and investigators like Mueller’s. These aren’t cheaply-bought mooks like Bondi and Paxton. They’re not interested in owning Twitter for the day, or cable ratings or book deals. They’re all about getting to the bottom of it. Trump thinks he can out-Fox them. That’s precious. Agreed. .............. . Please pardon the ignorance of this question, but doesnt one issue related to legal activities by the president have to do with whether or not he reported all these activities and all these contacts accurately in federal election disclosure forms?
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2nd December 2018, 09:21 PM	#164
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,554	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Link is a year and a half old. Mmm. Thanks for that. Still, I'm wondering if that will be included in a final report as part of the attempts to make quid pro quo happen.
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3rd December 2018, 03:40 AM	#165
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf You mean on the show that I posted about here https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...36029032710145 Quote: It took two years, and required surviving a gauntlet of major-media hitpieces, but this feed's money-for-sanctions relief "theory of the case," developed in early '17 and since then retweeted half million times across scores of lengthy threads, is now becoming conventional wisdom
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3rd December 2018, 03:55 AM	#166
smartcooky Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 9,718	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...36029032710145 Barb McQuade ‏Verified account @BarbMcQuade Hey, Mueller, look over here. @Maddow has found the collusion. Follow the sanctions. If this whole cable news show thing doesn’t work out for you, Rachel, you have a real future in the FBI High praise indeed. This is why Trump sycophants and the alt-right hate her so much... she is way, way smarter than any of them.
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2nd December 2018, 08:31 PM	#161
Delphic Oracle Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 2,605	Originally Posted by smartcooky I'm a bit jealous of people who, rather that admit Dear Leader did something wrong, can twist and contort themselves in their efforts to excuse his rancid behaviour, so that they more resemble a pretzel than a person. Adorable! Fantastic even! Hooboy! A 20-page attention whoring fest under the guise of an argument about "perjury traps" and people pleading guilty to not-crimes is an oddity the first time. I grew disenchanted with it about the dozenth time, something like 8 or 9 months ago. YMMV :9

3rd December 2018, 03:58 AM	#167
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	Seth Abramson thread on the other Trump Tower Moscow deal
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3rd December 2018, 04:03 AM	#168
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	Originally Posted by smartcooky Barb McQuade ‏Verified account @BarbMcQuade Hey, Mueller, look over here. @Maddow has found the collusion. Follow the sanctions. If this whole cable news show thing doesn’t work out for you, Rachel, you have a real future in the FBI High praise indeed. This is why Trump sycophants and the alt-right hate her so much... she is way, way smarter than any of them. The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media. Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while.
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3rd December 2018, 04:05 AM	#169
smartcooky Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 9,718	And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html
	__________________ _{As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920}

3rd December 2018, 04:16 AM	#170
smartcooky Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 9,718	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media. Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while. Well, I do watch her show and have done so for at least the last two years - Ari Melber's as well since late last year. Maddow has been on this Trump/Russia thing since before he was elected; I don't think there is any TV News host who knows this stuff better than she does. She had Dmitry Peskov nailed as a key figure back in 2016, and about that time, she interviewed a linguist (can't remember his name) who worked out that Guccifer 2.0 wasn't Romanian as he claimed, but Russian. In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP.
	__________________ _{As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920} Last edited by smartcooky; 3rd December 2018 at 04:35 AM.

3rd December 2018, 05:46 AM	#171
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,397	Originally Posted by smartcooky In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP. That would be counter-productive. It would let the Trumpists write them both off in one stroke of conspiracy theorizing.
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3rd December 2018, 07:31 AM	#172
The Shrike Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,735	Originally Posted by smartcooky And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html A child yes, but a disingenuous grifting Trumpster? Time will tell.
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3rd December 2018, 08:10 AM	#173
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 6,819	Originally Posted by smartcooky And here's a nice, well explained timeline that puts the key "water cooler" moments together so plainly that even a child could understand it. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ine/index.html How about a Little Puppy?
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3rd December 2018, 08:59 AM	#174
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 18,159	Trump Tweets “Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get..... ....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence. “I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!” Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!

3rd December 2018, 09:01 AM	#175
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 10,906	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward That actually sounds extremely unfair when you put it that way. It is targeting a disability. Good God, Bob, I really try not to respond to you, because I think you're not really an honest arguer, but rather the worst extreme of devil's advocates. But this takes the cake. Lying with impunity isn't a disability, it is a character flaw. I say that as a congenital liar (which, to be fair, means that perhaps you should doubt my word).

3rd December 2018, 09:07 AM	#176
Tolls Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,336	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? "Taxis"?
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3rd December 2018, 09:12 AM	#177
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 6,819	Taxis are for plebs. Important people have limos. (Cohen ran a fleet of taxis.)
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3rd December 2018, 09:23 AM	#178
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets “Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get..... ....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence. “I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!” Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission! He's really scared, isn't he? As for Stone, we'll see. Cohen said he'd take a bullet for Trump, and now here we are.
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3rd December 2018, 09:25 AM	#179
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,639	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim He's really scared, isn't he? Terrified, as evidenced by his thought-stream on Twitter. Too many skeletons in too many closets.
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3rd December 2018, 09:35 AM	#180
Tolls Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,336	Originally Posted by fagin Taxis are for plebs. Important people have limos. (Cohen ran a fleet of taxis.) Oh! I assume there's a question mark over something to do with that. Just seemed a bit random...
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3rd December 2018, 09:37 AM	#181
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,485	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf If Muller has the goods on Trump, then he doesn't have any need to trap him because the evidence will speak for itself already, In asking questions he's giving Trump the opportunity to tell his side and come clean about the matters. If he doesn't, and Muller has the goods, then it's not going to be a case of perjury landing on Trump, it's going to be all the evidence of every crime he's committed and every conspiracy he's been a part of. That says it all. All the lying shows that they are hiding something much more serious. This is why the lying is a crime in of itself. An investigator's job is to get to the bottom of what happened. It's not to hang a scalp on the wall. Mueller, Comey and Rosenstein are ALL lifetime Republicans. So why would they be interested in getting Trump and his administration? The answer is they are not. But those three are all lifetime law enforcement professionals who know and understand when something stinks in Denmark. I think it's quite interesting to compare the Trump investigation with the Hillary email investigation. The email investigation was politically motivated pushed by Republican politicians that the law enforcement professionals didn't think very highly of because they knew it was a nothinburger almost from day one. The law professionals were still going to do their jobs though. In contrast, the politicians in power wanted nothing to do with investigating Trump and his cabal, but all the cops could see that it was a **** show of crimes and illegal actions.
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3rd December 2018, 09:38 AM	#182
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,271	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets “Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get..... ....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence. “I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!” Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission! I think someone's lawyers gave him some bad news.

3rd December 2018, 09:44 AM	#183
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19316319035392 Quote: “I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!” https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/statu...22944152911872 Quote: File under “18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1512” https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...26379484975106 Quote: George is right. This is genuinely looking like witness tampering. DOJ (at least with a nonfake AG) prosecutes cases like these all the time. The fact it's done out in the open is no defense. Trump is genuinely melting down, and no good lawyer can represent him under these circs https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...22708013596672 Quote: I’ve never heard a public official speak this way before Trump. This sounds like something the criminals I used to prosecute would say.
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3rd December 2018, 10:06 AM	#184
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/sta...18019497996288 Quote: NEW: Trump asked to appeal negative rulings in DC/MD emoluments suit. Judge said no. DOJ now plans to appeal anyway. Article embedded in tweet.
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3rd December 2018, 10:06 AM	#185
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,485	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim The point of the tweet is that this isn't actually new, it's what Abramson has been saying for 2 years now, which is only just now starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream media. Not to take away from Maddow - I've never watched her stuff so don't know a lot about her - but to note that people praising her and other media pundits for connecting the dots are ignoring that the same dots have actually been connected for quite a long while. Originally Posted by smartcooky Well, I do watch her show and have done so for at least the last two years - Ari Melber's as well since late last year. Maddow has been on this Trump/Russia thing since before he was elected; I don't think there is any TV News host who knows this stuff better than she does. She had Dmitry Peskov nailed as a key figure back in 2016, and about that time, she interviewed a linguist (can't remember his name) who worked out that Guccifer 2.0 wasn't Romanian as he claimed, but Russian. In any case, I think she needs to get Abramson on her show ASAP. I don't think that Maddow is necessarily more in the know than all the other journalists, but like smartcooky, I too have been a regular viewer of Maddow. What sets her apart from her colleagues is that in show after show she goes into all the minutiae and why each dot is important and how it connects to the others. It takes patience to watch her show because often she goes over and over and over certain points and you can get bored by it. But that is also the beauty of her show. You end up seeing clearly the picture all those pixels make.
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3rd December 2018, 10:08 AM	#186
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	https://twitter.com/jerome_corsi/sta...34372062580738 Quote: Corsi files the criminal complaint against Mueller, alleges bid to seek false testimony https://fxn.ws/2EaMciS #FoxNews The complaint my attorneys filed today w DOJ asking for replacement & investigation of politically-motivated & criminally-driven Mueller investigation Article embedded in tweet.
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3rd December 2018, 10:10 AM	#187
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1069635489542488065 Quote: Jerome Corsi’s defense strategy is essentially that of an eight-year-old: “I’m not charged with a federal crime! YOU’RE charged with a federal crime.” This is a terrible federal criminal defense strategy, or, in the context of Trump associates, a slightly above average one. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1069637200373985280 Quote: Seems like a good moment to rerun this series on whether “I filed a federal criminal complaint” means anything [no]
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3rd December 2018, 10:17 AM	#188
P.J. Denyer Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,786	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19316319035392 https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/statu...22944152911872 https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...26379484975106 https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...22708013596672 Well, Trump should know about witness tampering since he's the first president to engage in it since Nixon (and Nixon's case wasn't for his own benefit).
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3rd December 2018, 10:21 AM	#189
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,618	Originally Posted by Tolls Quote: You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? “Taxis"? I’m now picturing Trump hailing a cab and Cohen jumping into it and being driven away, leaving Donnie standing on his own like an Argentinian president.
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3rd December 2018, 11:08 AM	#190
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 6,221	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim He's really scared, isn't he? As for Stone, we'll see. Cohen said he'd take a bullet for Trump, and now here we are. He obviously meant that he would accept ammunition donations to shoot Trump in the back, given the opportunity.
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3rd December 2018, 11:22 AM	#191
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,485	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza He obviously meant that he would accept ammunition donations to shoot Trump in the back, given the opportunity. I don't think he's shooting Trump in the back. No, Trump can see the bullets coming as he peers down the barrel.
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3rd December 2018, 11:29 AM	#192
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 12,892	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets “Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get..... ....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. Who is Scott Free, and why are Cohen's inlaws on him?
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3rd December 2018, 11:54 AM	#193
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 22,402	This is a fair point: https://twitter.com/normative/status...52211033100288 Quote: Trump is demanding an outcome in a specific case from a judge, who he has the power to reward with appointment to higher office. The outcome he is demanding would, of course, have the effect of deterring other witnesses’ cooperation with Mueller.
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3rd December 2018, 11:55 AM	#194
smartcooky Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 9,718	It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'. He surely has to know that Mueller would not just take Cohen's word and gone ahead with the case against him without documentary evidence to back up what he has claimed.... (remember all those hundreds of recordings that Cohen made?) Trumps tweeting is directed solely at his base; and they lap up Dear Leader's proclamations uncritically like a puppy laps up milk. They are the only ones stupid enough to believe any of the crap he spouts.
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3rd December 2018, 11:56 AM	#195
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,639	Originally Posted by smartcooky It seems beyond stupid for Trump to allege that Cohen is just 'making stuff up to get a lighter sentence'. Yeah but Trump IS beyond stupid. I mean, he has his own category of idiocy.
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