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Old 26th January 2017, 09:01 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
I award you a CIA-approved standing ovation.
Yeah but that's only because I paid you to do that.
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:02 AM   #202
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Originally Posted by Craig B View Post
There are points where even the Right won't compromise with Trump.
Like funding the wall.

But Trump will just keep extending the date the wall construction will start until people quit asking, like Melania's press conference and his plan to prevent conflict of interest which ended up amounting to a token gesture.

He has a limited repertoire and the patterns are easy to spot. He makes an unsupported claim, "millions of illegal voters". His team claims Trump has seen the evidence. (Hint, check Bill O'Reilly and Infowars for the source of his claims.) Then in an interview someone finally pins him down asking for the evidence. Trump then switches to, "Well we are going to find out."


Now the voter fraud claim has the standard split GOP response, some stay quiet, have very little to say, generally respond with, "I haven't seen that evidence," or, "You'll have to ask him about that." Paul Ryan typifies that response. You can see him believing he can manipulate Trump or at the very least ignore him. Ryan almost certainly thinks not having a POTUS veto is all he needs, let Drumph make a fool of himself. That's going to be short lived when Drumph makes a blunder that causes the country serious damage. But I digress...

The other GOP legislator reaction comes from all the Trump followers or coat tail riders. They repeat the voter fraud claim in interviews ignoring for the most part that the news media adds the words, no evidence, or false claim whenever it comes up. Could be they are still buying the con, or it might be they also listen to infowars and get the remainder of their news from Fox.

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Old 26th January 2017, 09:05 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Actually, they are proffesional claqueurs: Trump took 20 people to the CIA: they were the ones giving a standing ovation.
He has done this at any of his rallies, and he is still doing it.

This is very well documented.
Yeah quite possibly. What I mean is that the appearance of popularity and the insistence that Trump is popular and that the people love him is hugely important to his political goals and that is why he spends so much time discussing it.

It is hugely important that he is seen to be popular and thus right. Moreso it's hugely important that he is seen to discredit anyone who suggests he isn't. All dissent is untrue and anti-American and most importantly, anti what the people want.

He's building up the cult. In Trump We Trust. It's insidious. It's nasty. It's scary.
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:13 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
John McCain when he isn't paired with Palin?
Lindsay Graham is managing to stay out of the clown car. Susan Collins is staying out of it as far as I can tell. She and Bill Cassidy (I don't know his position on Trump) have a health care plan to replace the ACA with, surprise, the ACA.
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:15 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Just watching his tour of the Whitehouse.
Why is his tie so huge? ...
Pure speculation: he orders 'long' as he believes himself to be taller than he actually is.
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:16 AM   #206
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He always wears ties like that. It's quite odd.
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:18 AM   #207
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I suspect if you gathered up all the "genuine" bits of the Berlin wall you could find all over the world, you might have enough.
I'm not giving up my piece.
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:25 AM   #208
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There is a simpler answer. Look at his behavior in light of the fact he has a pathologic narcissistic personality disorder and it all makes predictable sense.
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:47 AM   #209
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The State Department's entire senior management team just resigned.

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Then suddenly on Wednesday afternoon, Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Kennedy will retire from the foreign service at the end of the month, officials said. The other officials could be given assignments elsewhere in the foreign service.

In addition, Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Gregory Starr retired Jan. 20, and the director of the Bureau of Overseas Building Operations, Lydia Muniz, departed the same day. That amounts to a near-complete housecleaning of all the senior officials that deal with managing the State Department, its overseas posts and its people.

“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” said David Wade, who served as State Department chief of staff under Secretary of State John Kerry. “Department expertise in security, management, administrative and consular positions in particular are very difficult to replicate and particularly difficult to find in the private sector.”
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Old 26th January 2017, 09:49 AM   #210
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
There is a simpler answer. Look at his behavior in light of the fact he has a pathologic narcissistic personality disorder and it all makes predictable sense.
Some time ago, I looked at the details of that disorder on the Mayo Clinic website (the first I came across) and holy ****, it was eerily descriptive of the man.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:03 AM   #211
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That is truly great news! If Trump could get rid of all leftists in these positions, he would be much further ahead.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:13 AM   #212
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That is truly great news! If Trump could get rid of all leftists in these positions, he would be much further ahead.
Careful what you wish for.

Since you have no idea what the left stands for or what liberalism is, you might find yourself in a regime you not only dislike, but one that specifically makes your life a lot less pleasant.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:24 AM   #213
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That is truly great news! If Trump could get rid of all leftists in these positions, he would be much further ahead.
Maybe Trump should run the entire US civil service from the oval office.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:25 AM   #214
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Careful what you wish for.

Since you have no idea what the left stands for or what liberalism is, you might find yourself in a regime you not only dislike, but one that specifically makes your life a lot less pleasant.
You make these comments like you just landed on this planet. Would you like to try and list the issues I disagree with this administration on?

You have this need for me to define the left for you, it is just more hiding on your part because you refuse to be honest and admit what you are.

Once you respond, we can waste everyone's time discussing ridiculous things you should already know, including my take that Trump is much better IMO than Hills.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:26 AM   #215
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Careful what you wish for.

Since you have no idea what the left stands for or what liberalism is, you might find yourself in a regime you not only dislike, but one that specifically makes your life a lot less pleasant.
Indeed. It appears he reads "All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations" and immediately thinks "leftists". This does not seem like the normal understanding of what would be left-wing.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:26 AM   #216
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Careful what you wish for.

Since you have no idea what the left stands for or what liberalism is, you might find yourself in a regime you not only dislike, but one that specifically makes your life a lot less pleasant.
Isn't the left a monolithic beast whose sole purpose is to get rid of guns and let muslim mexicans run FEMA camps?
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:26 AM   #217
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Maybe Trump should run the entire US civil service from the oval office.
Lol
He seems to already be doing that.
Would you like to comment on the cowardice slugs who walked away from doing their non political job? No probably not!
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Indeed. It appears he reads "All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations" and immediately thinks "leftists". This does not seem like the normal understanding of what would be left-wing.
Lol
Your side is always hiding what they are. Would you like to comment on them quitting their non political job?
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Isn't the left a monolithic beast whose sole purpose is to get rid of guns and let muslim mexicans run FEMA camps?
Yes, but in this context, they've just reverted back to incompetence.
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Lol
Your side is always hiding what they are. Would you like to comment on them quitting their non political job?
If it's non political, why do you think they are "leftists"? You really should provide your unusual definition so that we know what you mean.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:31 AM   #221
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Question:

If it's "America first" does that mean that the USD 3B/year that flows to Israel is going to stop?


Edit: that'd buy a lot of healthcare. And probably a reasonable section of wall.
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Old 26th January 2017, 10:31 AM   #222
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Lol
Your side is always hiding what they are. Would you like to comment on them quitting their non political job?
They quit because they realize their new boss is nuts! Not a political protest, just, the guy is NUTS!
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They quit because they realize their new boss is nuts! Not a political protest, just, the guy is NUTS!

Given that the report is that they've worked away for years under various regimes and it doesn't seem that a one of them has ever made headlines before, this would not appear to be a political decision.

Also, it's entirely their right not to work for the state if they so choose. Why are some trying to vilify them for exercising their own personal freedom, that would seem particularly unamerican.
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The hits keep coming. Chief of the Border Patrol has left agency that's in charge of securing America's borders with Mexico and Canada. He took the job in October.
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You make these comments like you just landed on this planet. Would you like to try and list the issues I disagree with this administration on?

You have this need for me to define the left for you, it is just more hiding on your part because you refuse to be honest and admit what you are.

Once you respond, we can waste everyone's time discussing ridiculous things you should already know, including my take that Trump is much better IMO than Hills.
You want Argumemnon to admit that he is not left or right but in the middle? I'm sure he will do that for you.
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They quit because they realize their new boss is nuts! Not a political protest, just, the guy is NUTS!
Do you have a clue on how that makes them look?
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You want Argumemnon to admit that he is not left or right but in the middle? I'm sure he will do that for you.
Yes, that's it, good job!
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No actually they are doing his job for him. I can guarantee you Trump doesn't look at it as a "hit".
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Do you have a clue on how that makes them look?
What? I don't even...what?!
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Do you have a clue on how that makes them look?
Principled?
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If it's non political, why do you think they are "leftists"? You really should provide your unusual definition so that we know what you mean.
You really cannot figure this out can you? These top notch "workers" quit because obviously they don't agree or like Trump. You can decide why they quit?

Do you think republicans would do this?
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Would you like to try and list the issues I disagree with this administration on?
I said you might disagree with the results. Please read a bit slower.

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You have this need for me to define the left for you
No, I have this need for you to define what the left is FOR YOU, since it's clearly not the definition that anyone else here is using.
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Do you have a clue on how that makes them look?
Definitively or just through your eyes?
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Your side is always hiding what they are
What a wonderful demonstration that anything that is not in agreement with you is automatically "the left".

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Yes, but in this context, they've just reverted back to incompetence.
See, that's why we know you have no clue what the left is.
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Principled?
I'm sure it is to the left, hell the SS agent who refused to take a bullet for him would be considered "principled" by the left, but all it does is show which ones need to be fired.
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[quote=logger;11686830]You really cannot figure this out can you? These top notch "workers" quit because obviously they don't agree or like Trump. You can decide why they quit?

Do you think republicans would do this?[/QUOTE]

if their boss is an unstable and unpredictable loon, and they are in their upper 50's, early 60's, yeah, I can see them saying "**** it, I don't need this ****. I quit"
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Yes, that's it, good job!
I'm a left-leaning centrist. Not something you'd ever know about or acknowledge.
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What a wonderful demonstration that anything that is not in agreement with you is automatically "the left".
No, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

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See, that's why we know you have no clue what the left is.
No, that was just an insult.

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I'm sure it is to the left, hell the SS agent who refused to take a bullet for him would be considered "principled" by the left, but all it does is show which ones need to be fired.

By what imperative do you propose a man should stay in a job he doesn't want to do? Are you not free to work for whom you wish, when you wish under whichever contractual terms you wish?

Why would you deny the same to these people. It's like wanting to own a gun, the why of it is not important. They don't want to work in that position any more, you don't get to judge them for simply exercising their freedom.
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That is truly great news! If Trump could get rid of all leftists in these positions, he would be much further ahead.
you really have zero clue about foreign policy.

Let me give you a wise quote about Diplomacy:

"Diplomacy is about surviving until the next century - politics is about surviving until Friday afternoon. "


Trump or Tillerson, regardless of how brilliant they are can do exactly squat without preparations, negotiations and trust at the level of Foreign Office staff.

Without them, they will not be able to even codify what they negotiate, and even less get to something that in theory could be signed.
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