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Old 12th April 2019, 11:29 PM   #1
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Tech companies getting a tad intrusive?

I have to admit I have never owned anything Apple.

My only reason given their obvious usability pluses is it is all closed source, which frankly annoys me, but this seems to me a tad dodgy

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/11/t...ing/index.html
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Old 12th April 2019, 11:49 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I have to admit I have never owned anything Apple.



My only reason given their obvious usability pluses is it is all closed source, which frankly annoys me, but this seems to me a tad dodgy



https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/11/t...ing/index.html
How this was a surprise to anyone who has setup one of these devices is beyond me, it isn't one of those things hidden in page 672 of your terms and conditions, both Amazon and Google make it clear that for the benefit of development they may use your "recordings". Not setup an Alexa device for a while but I know it's a setting in Google Home so you can easily change your mind at anytime. I presume it is also a setting in Alexa?
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Old 13th April 2019, 12:04 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
How this was a surprise to anyone who has setup one of these devices is beyond me, it isn't one of those things hidden in page 672 of your terms and conditions, both Amazon and Google make it clear that for the benefit of development they may use your "recordings". Not setup an Alexa device for a while but I know it's a setting in Google Home so you can easily change your mind at anytime. I presume it is also a setting in Alexa?
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I find it funny that people have facebook accounts and use google and then moan about people using their info

I have a bloke who sits next to me at work who uses it all the time. Watch someone purposefully over enunciating instructions loudly into their phones can get on peoples tits a tad when the workmate knows they could do it with their fingers and it would take about 1 second longer.
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Old 13th April 2019, 12:50 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I have to admit I have never owned anything Apple.

My only reason given their obvious usability pluses is it is all closed source, which frankly annoys me, but this seems to me a tad dodgy

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/11/t...ing/index.html
I have one of these google hubs in my house. If anybody wants to listen to our boring mundane conversations then let them.

Of course, if I was doing a drug deal or planning a terrorist attack then the first thing that I would do was turn off all of the electronic devices in my house that had a microphone on them.
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Old 13th April 2019, 01:19 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I have one of these google hubs in my house. If anybody wants to listen to our boring mundane conversations then let them.



Of course, if I was doing a drug deal or planning a terrorist attack then the first thing that I would do was turn off all of the electronic devices in my house that had a microphone on them.
Mine will be 50% of

OK Google, play oh blast what is it called the one with the in...

...I'm sorry I don't understand that yet..

Followed by:

OK Google switch on the living room lights...

..I'm sorry but I couldn't find a living room...

ME: stupid bloody Google, I spent an hour setting it up and you can't find it, useless piece of crap. ...sounds of typing... a quiet "oh"

OK Google, switch on the lounge lights

...switching on 4 lights....
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Old 13th April 2019, 05:32 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Mine will be 50% of

OK Google, play oh blast what is it called the one with the in...

...I'm sorry I don't understand that yet..

Followed by:

OK Google switch on the living room lights...

..I'm sorry but I couldn't find a living room...

ME: stupid bloody Google, I spent an hour setting it up and you can't find it, useless piece of crap. ...sounds of typing... a quiet "oh"

OK Google, switch on the lounge lights

...switching on 4 lights....
Lol Or gets **** off couch for two seconds and moves finger two inches to turn lights on.
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Old 13th April 2019, 06:14 AM   #7
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Uhhhh...

You know the story is about Amazon, not Apple?
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I pity whoever listens in on my mom's house. You people think I'm random in my conversation? My mother sounds like she's playing Mad Libs and that's just when she's speaking aloud to herself. When she gets into conversation with her five-year-old grandkids it moves to a whole new level of incomprehensibly weird. She has a habit of interrupting her own remarks to interject other remarks, then interrupting those remarks except she only says half the thought aloud, because she believes the person she's talking to can read her mind to pick up the unspoken half of every remark. If you transcribed her speech you'd have to use a SQL editor to sort out all the nested parentheses. And if she can't think of a word she wants to use she substitutes another one linked by a mental association only she would make. You pretty much have to have known her for at least thirty years to understand a lot of what she says. Alexa spends a lot of time silent with the blue light circling, trying to figure out what the heck it's supposed to be doing.
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Old 13th April 2019, 07:00 AM   #9
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How this was a surprise to anyone who has setup one of these devices is beyond me, it isn't one of those things hidden in page 672 of your terms and conditions, both Amazon and Google make it clear that for the benefit of development they may use your "recordings". Not setup an Alexa device for a while but I know it's a setting in Google Home so you can easily change your mind at anytime. I presume it is also a setting in Alexa?
I used to be one of the transcriptionists working as an independent contractor in Amazon Mechanical Turk. It's currently not nefarious, but it's about the be where there will be an AI-powered written record of everything we say. Creepy as hell.
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Old 13th April 2019, 07:23 AM   #10
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The audio clips they listen to were described as "mundane" and even sometimes "possibly criminal," including listening to a potential sexual assault.

"Alexa, play Baby, It's Cold Outside!"
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Old 13th April 2019, 08:12 AM   #11
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Lol Or gets **** off couch for two seconds and moves finger two inches to turn lights on.
Move off the coach? What are you a throw back to the hippies of the 60s!

It is the height of laziness and wanton waste of huge amounts of irreplaceable resources so I can switch 4 lights on with my voice... but it is very cool, especially being able to dim and brighten and change the colour and white temperatures of the lights as a group.

Have to admit I only use a fraction of the features they offer, and they are still nowhere near "natural voice" understanding especially not a Northern English accent!
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"Yo, Alex, turn on the lights, I can't find the tequila bottle"

"Oh, right. Alexa, turn on the livin room ******** lights"

*wife, from upstairs" "We don't have an Echo you stupid drunk"
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Old 13th April 2019, 09:30 AM   #13
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I pity whoever listens in on my mom's house. You people think I'm random in my conversation? My mother sounds like she's playing Mad Libs and that's just when she's speaking aloud to herself. When she gets into conversation with her five-year-old grandkids it moves to a whole new level of incomprehensibly weird. She has a habit of interrupting her own remarks to interject other remarks, then interrupting those remarks except she only says half the thought aloud, because she believes the person she's talking to can read her mind to pick up the unspoken half of every remark. If you transcribed her speech you'd have to use a SQL editor to sort out all the nested parentheses. And if she can't think of a word she wants to use she substitutes another one linked by a mental association only she would make. You pretty much have to have known her for at least thirty years to understand a lot of what she says. Alexa spends a lot of time silent with the blue light circling, trying to figure out what the heck it's supposed to be doing.
TIL TragicMonkey is actually my brother. No way two mothers like this in the same solar system.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Mine will be 50% of

OK Google, play oh blast what is it called the one with the in...

...I'm sorry I don't understand that yet..

Followed by:

OK Google switch on the living room lights...

..I'm sorry but I couldn't find a living room...

ME: stupid bloody Google, I spent an hour setting it up and you can't find it, useless piece of crap. ...sounds of typing... a quiet "oh"

OK Google, switch on the lounge lights

...switching on 4 lights....
I taught my Google mini to accept, "Hey Google," instead of OK Google; saves me a syllable. My commands are pretty banal as well--Hey Google, what's the temperature, Hey Google, what's the time, Hey Google, set an alarm for 20 minutes from now.
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If you type in only "oo ah ah ah ah" into Google the first hit is Disturbed's Down With the Sickness". Tis a smart little search engine. Massive search engine. Whatever.
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Our Echo Dot (I think it's called that) just describes in detail what it refuses to do, or does what it would rather do. One of my kids says it links to her phone and gets screwy when her device is around. I think its personal
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Old 13th April 2019, 03:56 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I have to admit I have never owned anything Apple.



My only reason given their obvious usability pluses is it is all closed source, which frankly annoys me, but this seems to me a tad dodgy



https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/11/t...ing/index.html
As much as I hate Apple, like any reasonable, sane person should. This is Amazon, not Apple.

I dont have these "assistant" devices and nor do I want them.
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"Yo, Alex, turn on the lights, I can't find the tequila bottle"

"Oh, right. Alexa, turn on the livin room ******** lights"

*wife, from upstairs" "We don't have an Echo you stupid drunk"
So your wife is called Alex?

(Note to self do not call daughter Alex / Alexa / Alexandra)
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