[Merged] Julian Assange: rapist or not? - Part 2 / Assange arrested - Page 8

Jules Galen · 12th October 2016, 06:53 PM

Assange Rape Charge - a convenient charge at a convenient time which shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics.

Too convenient. Too Timely.

eirik · 13th October 2016, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

I just re-thought this case a bit. I mean, yeah...the woman got raped and what the guy did was wrong and he needs to be punished for it. However, the young lady who got raped sounds like quite the idiot too....and she was asking for it.

All young women - especially a 22-year-old-woman - know it's dangerous to get black-out drunk among a group of young Horn-Toads they don't even know. I mean, this is just asking for rape...and this woman either knew it, or was too delusional to know it. Anyways...she got raped and maybe this will help her grow the hell up and quit getting drunk in public - and maybe it will be a lesson for a lot of other young, stupid girls who get drunk in public.

Listen...many guys have no respect for girls who willingly get drunk in public and they consider them dirty, filthy sluts. I know I do and there is no way I would ever run to the protection of such a drunken woman. Seriously, I got better things to do with my life than to fight off the rapists that she invited by her behavior. Hey...if I go to combat and get my arse beat on for protecting a woman, it's going to be for a woman that really "wasn't asking for it".

Where do you live, Jules? I'm curious exactly where this line of thinking is considered a legitimate argument.

Captain_Swoop · 13th October 2016, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by eirik

Where do you live, Jules? I'm curious exactly where this line of thinking is considered a legitimate argument.

I find this bit more disturbing

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Quote:

there is no way I would ever run to the protection of such a drunken woman. Seriously, I got better things to do with my life than to fight off the rapists that she invited by her behavior

Tolls · 13th October 2016, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Assange Rape Charge - a convenient charge at a convenient time which shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics.

Too convenient. Too Timely.

Because as we know Assange has been incommunicado for the past few years, and unable to, I don't know, just off the top of my head, come up with any "October surprises"...

In other words...bollocks.

catsmate · 13th October 2016, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Assange Rape Charge - a convenient charge at a convenient time which shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics.

No it didn't.

theprestige · 13th October 2016, 05:21 AM

Yeah, Jules is really all over the place with this one: The girl is a filthy slut who was asking for it. Assange deserves to be punished for raping her (note he hasn't even been to trial yet!). The whole thing is a set up by the US to silence Assange (who hasn't actually been silenced).

And of course Jules hasn't actually read the thread.

SashatheMagnificent · 13th October 2016, 03:59 PM

which tried to shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics.

Assange, a don quixote of modern times
He should have not helped the stupid majority learn the hard facts that the stupid majority was cheated upon

He should have instead spied on the US and sold secrets to China
He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way

cullennz · 14th October 2016, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent

which tried to shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics.

Assange, a don quixote of modern times
He should have not helped the stupid majority learn the hard facts that the stupid majority was cheated upon

He should have instead spied on the US and sold secrets to China
He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way

He like Snowden was releasing details of innocent people just trying to do their jobs both undercover and liasing.

He is scum

Mycroft · 16th October 2016, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by eirik

Where do you live, Jules? I'm curious exactly where this line of thinking is considered a legitimate argument.

Absolutely not a liberal or progressive.

Wudang · 18th October 2016, 01:35 AM

This appears on the Daily Kos but it seems a bit suspect to me. The only report seems to be a from a low traffic dating site.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...-year-old-girl

A reddit contributor says

Quote:

Just looked into this, and as much as I hate Assange, it's almost certainly ********. The "dating site" filing this report was registered just a year ago, is full of almost certainly fake profiles of women, yet claims to be responsible for 3000 marriages. Their mailing address is an international mail forwarding service. Searching the name of the site on Google turns up nothing but spam and (a surprising amount of porn), and a couple references to this story. I have zero confidence this is an actual dating site anyone's using. Looks like a scam.
They were also de-listed from the UN Global Compact as a result of their complaint for a "reason related to the Integrity Measures"
It seems like a creepy publicity stunt by the company.
That said, it's possible Ecuador did get word of the story and decided to turn his Internet off in response, but I'll wait to hear from the Bamahas before giving any credence to the allegations.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 18th October 2016, 05:03 AM

In more pressing news, Pamela Anderson has assassinated Assange with a vegan sandwich

SashatheMagnificent · 18th October 2016, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by cullennz

He like Snowden was releasing details of innocent people just trying to do their jobs both undercover and liasing.

He is scum

He is a real freedom fighter
One of the few Americans

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BenBurch · 18th October 2016, 06:11 AM

Calling Assange scum is an insult to scum.

theprestige · 18th October 2016, 06:18 AM

Also, Assange isn't American.

theprestige · 18th October 2016, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

This appears on the Daily Kos but it seems a bit suspect to me. The only report seems to be a from a low traffic dating site.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...-year-old-girl

A reddit contributor says

Why even post such third hand drivel? There's plenty not to like about Assange, that's actually substantiated. You don't have to repeat every stray bit of gossip.

theprestige · 18th October 2016, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent

which tried to shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics.

Assange, a don quixote of modern times
He should have not helped the stupid majority learn the hard facts that the stupid majority was cheated upon

He should have instead spied on the US and sold secrets to China
He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way

Sasha, do you understand what wikileaks is, and why people contribute to it?

beachnut · 18th October 2016, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent

...
Assange, a don quixote of modern times
... sold secrets to China
He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way

You call Assange mad, like insane. Time to reread and comprehend Don Quixote?

Why do you keep repeating Russian propaganda?

eirik · 18th October 2016, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Why even post such third hand drivel? There's plenty not to like about Assange, that's actually substantiated. You don't have to repeat every stray bit of gossip.

I actually appreciated a preliminary debunk of this.

And it's not third hand drivel, it's from the dating-company itself it seems. So maybe first hand-drivel

The story is all over twitter, wikileaks twitter account (e.g Assange) even adressed it and denied it. Can't find it now, I might be mistaken. Or the tweet I saw was a fabrication.

Even if untrue, which seems likely, the story might explain the internet connection issue. Assange explicitly accused Ecuador of responsibility in a tweet today. Might be a reaction to the story. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/788099178832420865

SashatheMagnificent · 18th October 2016, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Sasha, do you understand what wikileaks is, and why people contribute to it?

No Professor ]

I desperately need your help

Wudang · 18th October 2016, 08:23 AM

Why can't he get internet access? That area should get good 4G according to Ofcom's postcode check.

As regards the accusation the key "evidence" seems to be a cached document. Anyone know how reliable that is? I don't know unglobalcompact's setup but it's possible that they were in fact the ones who posted that while they were still members. With 9000 companies and 4000 "non-business" members I suspect their initial membership check is none too rigorous. Possibly they spotted these people planting a document, checked on them and decided a rather dubious looking dating site may not be for them. Their project Katia claims to have been written by a NotreDame mathematician, it was a guy who graduated in maths from ND so a bit of a stretch.
My gut feeling is that if there was a shred of plausible support certain parties would be all over it.

Jules Galen · 18th October 2016, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Yeah, Jules is really all over the place with this one: The girl is a filthy slut who was asking for it. Assange deserves to be punished for raping her (note he hasn't even been to trial yet!). The whole thing is a set up by the US to silence Assange (who hasn't actually been silenced).

And of course Jules hasn't actually read the thread.

Blah Blah Blah. And these women...they probably need to be raped and sodomized just to shot their big, fat mouths. Nothing like a good, hard rape to shut up a yappity woman.

Thermal · 18th October 2016, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

Why can't he get internet access? That area should get good 4G according to Ofcom's postcode check.

As regards the accusation the key "evidence" seems to be a cached document. Anyone know how reliable that is? I don't know unglobalcompact's setup but it's possible that they were in fact the ones who posted that while they were still members. With 9000 companies and 4000 "non-business" members I suspect their initial membership check is none too rigorous. Possibly they spotted these people planting a document, checked on them and decided a rather dubious looking dating site may not be for them. Their project Katia claims to have been written by a NotreDame mathematician, it was a guy who graduated in maths from ND so a bit of a stretch.
My gut feeling is that if there was a shred of plausible support certain parties would be all over it.

You used to be able to buy cell phone and wifi jamming devices for about $30 on eBay, would render devices unusable (even for emergency calls) within a short radius.

cullennz · 18th October 2016, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Wudang

Why can't he get internet access? That area should get good 4G according to Ofcom's postcode check.

As regards the accusation the key "evidence" seems to be a cached document. Anyone know how reliable that is? I don't know unglobalcompact's setup but it's possible that they were in fact the ones who posted that while they were still members. With 9000 companies and 4000 "non-business" members I suspect their initial membership check is none too rigorous. Possibly they spotted these people planting a document, checked on them and decided a rather dubious looking dating site may not be for them. Their project Katia claims to have been written by a NotreDame mathematician, it was a guy who graduated in maths from ND so a bit of a stretch.
My gut feeling is that if there was a shred of plausible support certain parties would be all over it.

Think he is just trying desperately to remain in the media with the blocked claim

blutoski · 18th October 2016, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by MostlyDead

You used to be able to buy cell phone and wifi jamming devices for about $30 on eBay, would render devices unusable (even for emergency calls) within a short radius.

And an embassy sounds like exactly the type of facility that would bake EM jamming capacity into their security plan from day one.

PhantomWolf · 18th October 2016, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Blah Blah Blah. And these women...they probably need to be raped and sodomized just to shot their big, fat mouths. Nothing like a good, hard rape to shut up a yappity woman.

Even as a joke (which likely makes it worse as such things are not a joking matter) this is pathetically disgusting. Good day sir, I said, Good day sir!

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Thermal · 18th October 2016, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Blah Blah Blah. And these women...they probably need to be raped and sodomized just to shot their big, fat mouths. Nothing like a good, hard rape to shut up a yappity woman.

Dude, seriously...really not funny

SashatheMagnificent · 18th October 2016, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent

He is a real freedom fighter
One of the few Americans

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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...0#post11545670

EHocking · 18th October 2016, 07:19 PM

Posting off topic mostly?

Wudang · 19th October 2016, 12:05 AM

"Ecuador has confirmed that it cut off internet access to Julian Assange, the founder of the whistleblowing site WikiLeaks, stating it believed he was using it to interfere in the US presidential election." and Ecuador “respects the principle of non-intervention in the internal affairs of other states” "

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...nternet-access

uke2se · 19th October 2016, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

"Ecuador has confirmed that it cut off internet access to Julian Assange, the founder of the whistleblowing site WikiLeaks, stating it believed he was using it to interfere in the US presidential election." and Ecuador “respects the principle of non-intervention in the internal affairs of other states” "

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...nternet-access

Good on Equador. I guess they don't want to be culpable in a possible Trump win.

cullennz · 19th October 2016, 02:14 AM

Assange irrelevant.

Must be killing his ego

uke2se · 19th October 2016, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by cullennz

Assange irrelevant.

Must be killing his ego

I'd say that cutting off his internet is going to do more to get him to surrender to the police than any government pressure.

Just imagine it. No communicating to the world how innocent and misunderstood he is. No adoring fans commenting on his posts. And worst of all, no internet porn.

ohms · 19th October 2016, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by MostlyDead

You used to be able to buy cell phone and wifi jamming devices for about $30 on eBay, would render devices unusable (even for emergency calls) within a short radius.

Such devices are illegal in the UK.

eirik · 19th October 2016, 05:24 AM

^^ In most civilized countries I would think, for good reason. And harshly punished.

Thermal · 19th October 2016, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by ohms

Such devices are illegal in the UK.

Illegal in the US too, but the Ecuadorian Embassy is Ecuadorian soil. As blutoski noted, the Embassy likely had the technology hard-wired into it's security system.

SashatheMagnificent · 19th October 2016, 06:26 AM

It is good that Americans and pro-US people continue in their sleep while the rich take their money

Heck, was it Trump who said that US wages have decreased in the last 20 years?
Assage should have worked FOR the riches not against them
Would have made some money, poor guy
Maybe selling the Chinese one of the few remaining tech secrets of the US or something like that

ohms · 19th October 2016, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by MostlyDead

Illegal in the US too, but the Ecuadorian Embassy is Ecuadorian soil. As blutoski noted, the Embassy likely had the technology hard-wired into it's security system.

Very unlikely as it would block all signals not just those for Assange, which would make the normal day to day work of the embassy more difficult. More likely they disabled his logon credentials either to their Wifi or LAN, whichever he used. Given the nature of Wikileaks, I doubt someone like Assange would use anything other than a wired connection for sensitive communications.

Thermal · 19th October 2016, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by ohms

Very unlikely as it would block all signals not just those for Assange, which would make the normal day to day work of the embassy more difficult. More likely they disabled his logon credentials either to their Wifi or LAN, whichever he used. Given the nature of Wikileaks, I doubt someone like Assange would use anything other than a wired connection for sensitive communications.

Right, but I was responding to Wudang's question about how Assange didn't have internet access in a good 4G reception area. The technology to locally knock out devices in a short radius is cheap and simple. A few years back a buddy of mine bought one on eBay to stop his daughter from using the phone while driving; we found it's effective radius to be about 10-15 feet. And I would assume security protocols would monitor hard line communications on the Embassy's network.

Thermal · 19th October 2016, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent

It is good that Americans and pro-US people continue in their sleep while the rich take their money

Heck, was it Trump who said that US wages have decreased in the last 20 years?
Assage should have worked FOR the riches not against them
Would have made some money, poor guy
Maybe selling the Chinese one of the few remaining tech secrets of the US or something like that

Wikileaks mission is to foster openness and transparency in governments and corporations worldwide. They rely on donations for support and are not really trying to get rich off their activities, but are trying to wake people up regarding what goes on away from the headlines.

theprestige · 19th October 2016, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent

It is good that Americans and pro-US people continue in their sleep while the rich take their money

Heck, was it Trump who said that US wages have decreased in the last 20 years?
Assage should have worked FOR the riches not against them
Would have made some money, poor guy
Maybe selling the Chinese one of the few remaining tech secrets of the US or something like that

Assange is a publisher. People send him information so that he will publish it. People who want to send secrets to China send them to China, not to Wikileaks. If Assange started selling secrets to China instead of publishing them, he would lose credibility as a publisher. People would stop sending him secrets.

Besides, the Chinese already have plenty of people to send them tech secrets. These are people who have the qualifications and credentials to work in aerospace and other industries where they will be exposed to tech advances. They are also people who are American citizens that can pass a background check and get a security clearance, so that they will have access to the kinds of tech secrets China is looking for.

Assange has none of these qualities. The people that do, who are interested in selling secrets to China, don't need Assange's help to do it.

All in all, if you want Assange to work in opposition to the US, his continued work publishing through Wikileaks is probably his best contribution. Earning money by selling tech secrets to China isn't really an option for him.

ETA: Anyway, what do you think Assange's anti-American efforts have to do with the topic of this thread?

-- Accusations of rape against Assange in Sweden.
-- The Swedish government's attempt to investigate these accusations.
-- Assange's ongoing efforts to prevent the progress of the Swedish investigation.

Also, this thread has been going on for a while. A lot of anti-US ideas have been expressed and discussed already. If you read through it, you might find some good arguments have already been made. You will also see many examples of how to express anti-US views without being sanctioned by the moderators.

12th October 2016, 06:53 PM	#281
Jules Galen Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,726	Assange Rape Charge - a convenient charge at a convenient time which shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics. Too convenient. Too Timely.
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13th October 2016, 01:23 AM	#282
eirik Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 706	Originally Posted by Jules Galen I just re-thought this case a bit. I mean, yeah...the woman got raped and what the guy did was wrong and he needs to be punished for it. However, the young lady who got raped sounds like quite the idiot too....and she was asking for it. All young women - especially a 22-year-old-woman - know it's dangerous to get black-out drunk among a group of young Horn-Toads they don't even know. I mean, this is just asking for rape...and this woman either knew it, or was too delusional to know it. Anyways...she got raped and maybe this will help her grow the hell up and quit getting drunk in public - and maybe it will be a lesson for a lot of other young, stupid girls who get drunk in public. Listen...many guys have no respect for girls who willingly get drunk in public and they consider them dirty, filthy sluts. I know I do and there is no way I would ever run to the protection of such a drunken woman. Seriously, I got better things to do with my life than to fight off the rapists that she invited by her behavior. Hey...if I go to combat and get my arse beat on for protecting a woman, it's going to be for a woman that really "wasn't asking for it". Where do you live, Jules? I'm curious exactly where this line of thinking is considered a legitimate argument.
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13th October 2016, 01:57 AM	#284
Tolls Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,457	Originally Posted by Jules Galen Assange Rape Charge - a convenient charge at a convenient time which shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics. Too convenient. Too Timely. Because as we know Assange has been incommunicado for the past few years, and unable to, I don't know, just off the top of my head, come up with any "October surprises"... In other words...bollocks.
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13th October 2016, 04:08 AM	#285
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20,093	Originally Posted by Jules Galen Assange Rape Charge - a convenient charge at a convenient time which shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics. No it didn't.
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13th October 2016, 03:59 PM	#287
SashatheMagnificent Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 859	which tried to shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics. Assange, a don quixote of modern times He should have not helped the stupid majority learn the hard facts that the stupid majority was cheated upon He should have instead spied on the US and sold secrets to China He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way
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13th October 2016, 01:26 AM	#283
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 19,840	Originally Posted by eirik Where do you live, Jules? I'm curious exactly where this line of thinking is considered a legitimate argument. I find this bit more disturbing * Quote: there is no way I would ever run to the protection of such a drunken woman. Seriously, I got better things to do with my life than to fight off the rapists that she invited by her behavior

13th October 2016, 05:21 AM	#286
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 33,250	Yeah, Jules is really all over the place with this one: The girl is a filthy slut who was asking for it. Assange deserves to be punished for raping her (note he hasn't even been to trial yet!). The whole thing is a set up by the US to silence Assange (who hasn't actually been silenced). And of course Jules hasn't actually read the thread.

14th October 2016, 03:09 AM	#288
cullennz Embarrasingly illiterate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 15,049	Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent which tried to shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics. Assange, a don quixote of modern times He should have not helped the stupid majority learn the hard facts that the stupid majority was cheated upon He should have instead spied on the US and sold secrets to China He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way He like Snowden was releasing details of innocent people just trying to do their jobs both undercover and liasing. He is scum
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16th October 2016, 12:04 PM	#289
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,479	Originally Posted by eirik Where do you live, Jules? I'm curious exactly where this line of thinking is considered a legitimate argument. Absolutely not a liberal or progressive.
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18th October 2016, 01:35 AM	#290
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 11,558	This appears on the Daily Kos but it seems a bit suspect to me. The only report seems to be a from a low traffic dating site. https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...-year-old-girl A reddit contributor says Quote: Just looked into this, and as much as I hate Assange, it's almost certainly ********. The "dating site" filing this report was registered just a year ago, is full of almost certainly fake profiles of women, yet claims to be responsible for 3000 marriages. Their mailing address is an international mail forwarding service. Searching the name of the site on Google turns up nothing but spam and (a surprising amount of porn), and a couple references to this story. I have zero confidence this is an actual dating site anyone's using. Looks like a scam. They were also de-listed from the UN Global Compact as a result of their complaint for a "reason related to the Integrity Measures" It seems like a creepy publicity stunt by the company. That said, it's possible Ecuador did get word of the story and decided to turn his Internet off in response, but I'll wait to hear from the Bamahas before giving any credence to the allegations.
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18th October 2016, 05:03 AM	#291
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 24,029	In more pressing news, Pamela Anderson has assassinated Assange with a vegan sandwich
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18th October 2016, 06:11 AM	#293
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 37,535	Calling Assange scum is an insult to scum.
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18th October 2016, 06:18 AM	#294
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 33,250	Also, Assange isn't American.

18th October 2016, 06:22 AM	#295
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 33,250	Originally Posted by Wudang This appears on the Daily Kos but it seems a bit suspect to me. The only report seems to be a from a low traffic dating site. https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...-year-old-girl A reddit contributor says Why even post such third hand drivel? There's plenty not to like about Assange, that's actually substantiated. You don't have to repeat every stray bit of gossip.

18th October 2016, 06:24 AM	#296
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 33,250	Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent which tried to shut down one of America's and Europe's biggest critics. Assange, a don quixote of modern times He should have not helped the stupid majority learn the hard facts that the stupid majority was cheated upon He should have instead spied on the US and sold secrets to China He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way Sasha, do you understand what wikileaks is, and why people contribute to it?

18th October 2016, 06:38 AM	#297
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 25,111	Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent ... Assange, a don quixote of modern times ... sold secrets to China He would have accelerated the already fast collapse of the empire and made money all the way You call Assange mad, like insane. Time to reread and comprehend Don Quixote? Why do you keep repeating Russian propaganda?
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18th October 2016, 06:43 AM	#298
eirik Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 706	Originally Posted by theprestige Why even post such third hand drivel? There's plenty not to like about Assange, that's actually substantiated. You don't have to repeat every stray bit of gossip. I actually appreciated a preliminary debunk of this. And it's not third hand drivel, it's from the dating-company itself it seems. So maybe first hand-drivel The story is all over twitter, wikileaks twitter account (e.g Assange) even adressed it and denied it. Can't find it now, I might be mistaken. Or the tweet I saw was a fabrication. Even if untrue, which seems likely, the story might explain the internet connection issue. Assange explicitly accused Ecuador of responsibility in a tweet today. Might be a reaction to the story. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/788099178832420865
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18th October 2016, 06:52 AM	#299
SashatheMagnificent Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 859	Originally Posted by theprestige Sasha, do you understand what wikileaks is, and why people contribute to it? No Professor ] I desperately need your help

18th October 2016, 08:23 AM	#300
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 11,558	Why can't he get internet access? That area should get good 4G according to Ofcom's postcode check. As regards the accusation the key "evidence" seems to be a cached document. Anyone know how reliable that is? I don't know unglobalcompact's setup but it's possible that they were in fact the ones who posted that while they were still members. With 9000 companies and 4000 "non-business" members I suspect their initial membership check is none too rigorous. Possibly they spotted these people planting a document, checked on them and decided a rather dubious looking dating site may not be for them. Their project Katia claims to have been written by a NotreDame mathematician, it was a guy who graduated in maths from ND so a bit of a stretch. My gut feeling is that if there was a shred of plausible support certain parties would be all over it.
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18th October 2016, 08:34 AM	#301
Jules Galen Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,726	Originally Posted by theprestige Yeah, Jules is really all over the place with this one: The girl is a filthy slut who was asking for it. Assange deserves to be punished for raping her (note he hasn't even been to trial yet!). The whole thing is a set up by the US to silence Assange (who hasn't actually been silenced). And of course Jules hasn't actually read the thread. Blah Blah Blah. And these women...they probably need to be raped and sodomized just to shot their big, fat mouths. Nothing like a good, hard rape to shut up a yappity woman.
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18th October 2016, 08:41 AM	#302
Thermal Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: NJ USA. We Don't Like You Either Posts: 7,082	Originally Posted by Wudang Why can't he get internet access? That area should get good 4G according to Ofcom's postcode check. As regards the accusation the key "evidence" seems to be a cached document. Anyone know how reliable that is? I don't know unglobalcompact's setup but it's possible that they were in fact the ones who posted that while they were still members. With 9000 companies and 4000 "non-business" members I suspect their initial membership check is none too rigorous. Possibly they spotted these people planting a document, checked on them and decided a rather dubious looking dating site may not be for them. Their project Katia claims to have been written by a NotreDame mathematician, it was a guy who graduated in maths from ND so a bit of a stretch. My gut feeling is that if there was a shred of plausible support certain parties would be all over it. You used to be able to buy cell phone and wifi jamming devices for about $30 on eBay, would render devices unusable (even for emergency calls) within a short radius.
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18th October 2016, 12:45 PM	#303
cullennz Embarrasingly illiterate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 15,049	Originally Posted by Wudang Why can't he get internet access? That area should get good 4G according to Ofcom's postcode check. As regards the accusation the key "evidence" seems to be a cached document. Anyone know how reliable that is? I don't know unglobalcompact's setup but it's possible that they were in fact the ones who posted that while they were still members. With 9000 companies and 4000 "non-business" members I suspect their initial membership check is none too rigorous. Possibly they spotted these people planting a document, checked on them and decided a rather dubious looking dating site may not be for them. Their project Katia claims to have been written by a NotreDame mathematician, it was a guy who graduated in maths from ND so a bit of a stretch. My gut feeling is that if there was a shred of plausible support certain parties would be all over it. Think he is just trying desperately to remain in the media with the blocked claim
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18th October 2016, 01:22 PM	#304
blutoski Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,634	Originally Posted by MostlyDead You used to be able to buy cell phone and wifi jamming devices for about $30 on eBay, would render devices unusable (even for emergency calls) within a short radius. And an embassy sounds like exactly the type of facility that would bake EM jamming capacity into their security plan from day one.
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18th October 2016, 06:08 PM	#306
Thermal Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: NJ USA. We Don't Like You Either Posts: 7,082	Originally Posted by Jules Galen Blah Blah Blah. And these women...they probably need to be raped and sodomized just to shot their big, fat mouths. Nothing like a good, hard rape to shut up a yappity woman. Dude, seriously...really not funny
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18th October 2016, 07:19 PM	#308
EHocking Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,760	Posting off topic mostly?
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19th October 2016, 12:05 AM	#309
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 11,558	"Ecuador has confirmed that it cut off internet access to Julian Assange, the founder of the whistleblowing site WikiLeaks, stating it believed he was using it to interfere in the US presidential election." and Ecuador “respects the principle of non-intervention in the internal affairs of other states” " https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...nternet-access
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19th October 2016, 01:59 AM	#310
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 12,484	Originally Posted by Wudang "Ecuador has confirmed that it cut off internet access to Julian Assange, the founder of the whistleblowing site WikiLeaks, stating it believed he was using it to interfere in the US presidential election." and Ecuador “respects the principle of non-intervention in the internal affairs of other states” " https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...nternet-access Good on Equador. I guess they don't want to be culpable in a possible Trump win.
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19th October 2016, 02:14 AM	#311
cullennz Embarrasingly illiterate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 15,049	Assange irrelevant. Must be killing his ego
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19th October 2016, 03:41 AM	#312
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 12,484	Originally Posted by cullennz Assange irrelevant. Must be killing his ego I'd say that cutting off his internet is going to do more to get him to surrender to the police than any government pressure. Just imagine it. No communicating to the world how innocent and misunderstood he is. No adoring fans commenting on his posts. And worst of all, no internet porn.
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19th October 2016, 04:19 AM	#313
ohms Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,115	Originally Posted by MostlyDead You used to be able to buy cell phone and wifi jamming devices for about $30 on eBay, would render devices unusable (even for emergency calls) within a short radius. Such devices are illegal in the UK.
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19th October 2016, 05:24 AM	#314
eirik Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 706	^^ In most civilized countries I would think, for good reason. And harshly punished.
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19th October 2016, 06:25 AM	#315
Thermal Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: NJ USA. We Don't Like You Either Posts: 7,082	Originally Posted by ohms Such devices are illegal in the UK. Illegal in the US too, but the Ecuadorian Embassy is Ecuadorian soil. As blutoski noted, the Embassy likely had the technology hard-wired into it's security system.
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19th October 2016, 06:26 AM	#316
SashatheMagnificent Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 859	It is good that Americans and pro-US people continue in their sleep while the rich take their money Heck, was it Trump who said that US wages have decreased in the last 20 years? Assage should have worked FOR the riches not against them Would have made some money, poor guy Maybe selling the Chinese one of the few remaining tech secrets of the US or something like that
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19th October 2016, 06:32 AM	#317
ohms Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,115	Originally Posted by MostlyDead Illegal in the US too, but the Ecuadorian Embassy is Ecuadorian soil. As blutoski noted, the Embassy likely had the technology hard-wired into it's security system. Very unlikely as it would block all signals not just those for Assange, which would make the normal day to day work of the embassy more difficult. More likely they disabled his logon credentials either to their Wifi or LAN, whichever he used. Given the nature of Wikileaks, I doubt someone like Assange would use anything other than a wired connection for sensitive communications.
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19th October 2016, 06:43 AM	#318
Thermal Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: NJ USA. We Don't Like You Either Posts: 7,082	Originally Posted by ohms Very unlikely as it would block all signals not just those for Assange, which would make the normal day to day work of the embassy more difficult. More likely they disabled his logon credentials either to their Wifi or LAN, whichever he used. Given the nature of Wikileaks, I doubt someone like Assange would use anything other than a wired connection for sensitive communications. Right, but I was responding to Wudang's question about how Assange didn't have internet access in a good 4G reception area. The technology to locally knock out devices in a short radius is cheap and simple. A few years back a buddy of mine bought one on eBay to stop his daughter from using the phone while driving; we found it's effective radius to be about 10-15 feet. And I would assume security protocols would monitor hard line communications on the Embassy's network.
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