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I think the cord hanging from the "redneck" clothing was probably the string you use to pull it tight around the waist.
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I suspect this story will be quietly put on a shelf.
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I suspect that there will be zero evidence, and then there will be no more cooperation, and he will tearfully announce it’s because he is afraid of the police. His fellow travelers will then hold tearful press conferences relating the fears of the police in the black and gay communities.
****, his supporters are already laying that mattress right here in this very thread: "it should be "OBVIOUS" why he didn't give the phone to the Chicago police." Obvious. |
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There's still something wonky with the time line reporting.
The attack was presumably right around 2:00. The video stills are apparently from 15 to 30 minutes prior to 2:00 and the video ends with Smollett entering the apartment building. https://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/docu...lett-alert.pdf |
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They should know two definite times.
When Smollett left the sub place, and when he entered the apartment building. I think they only know the rough time of the video stills because none of the clocks are synchronized and there is wide variation of the time stamps. |
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11:18 AM PT -- We're told cops recently visited a Target Department Store close to where the incident happened and obtained surveillance footage. Our source says the video shows one person -- presumably Jussie -- walking down the street. Officers also visited a nearby apartment building to ask for video.
That's from TMZ, and if accurate, and he's on his way home, it narrows the short time frame for an attack even more. |
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A lot of selective disbelief in this thread.
Yelling "MAGA Country" in a liberal city is too impossible a thing to be real but a person risking a successful performing career with a lie that seems to have little plausible benefit is likely? Both behaviors would be odd, but the skepticism that attackers might act in an odd way juxtaposed with the credulity that Smollet would act in a far far stranger way is telling. The comparisons to Cosby and other celebrities are downright bizarre. There's no mystery to what Cosby had to gain from his actions. He gained a lot of sex. He also wasn't taking much of a risk. He got away with it for decades, and he knew he could. In this case, the risk is obviously large and the benefit difficult to imagine. This isn't to say that it's impossible that Smollet is lying. But the inconsistency in the way his story is being analyzed and the way alternative theories are is ridiculous. |
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As stated, if it had not been for the MAGA country chant, we would not be having this discussion.
And it's not the first time a lot of crap is being promoted under the guise of "Critical Thinking". And I am going to bell the cat. Most of the supporters here of the SMolett is faking it theory are on the political right. |
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It's not unprecedented for "hate crimes" to be hoaxed, but I don't really see any compelling evidence that this is the case for the incident being discussed.
Some people just seem to really want this to be a hoax. I'm seeing lots of argument from incredulity being offered, like, why would anybody be wearing a ski mask when it's ten below? |
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It is a bit more than that ain't it? It is not just that they allegedly yelled that ridiculous statement, but that they knew this guy was the "faggot" from Empire.
It is exactly the type of thing that someone would imagine their political boogeymen would yell out. In the cold, at 2 am, in an area known for homeless and petty drug deals. And the cops are wasting their time on this ********. |
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You also occupy a culture where actual hate crimes are far more common than fake ones. A culture where people really mail bombs to the wrong addresses based on the bomber's political rage. A culture where white-supremacists march in the streets with tiki-torches chanting 'the Jews will not replace us'. A culture where cars are driven into crowds and people still justify it and want to make it legal to do so.
Any skepticism based on 'it sounds too much like a cartoon hate crime' is ridiculous. That remains true regardless of if this incident was really one or a hoax, because other things just as crazy really did happen. In short, even in cases where skepticism is legitimately warranted, there remain arguments for skepticism which are abject ********. |
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Well, you would need the attackers to recognize Jussie, know that he would be walking that route early in the morning, and have brought bleach and a cord with them. The route is only about 5 minutes or so, so they have little time to run into Jussie.
They could have seen Jussie at the Subway, and they could know where he lives, so they could know where and how to intercept him. So I don't find it unbelievable that some attackers were able to intercept him on his way home. |
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Why "conspiracy"? See below.
Actors are also not immune from ingesting chemicals that could make them do stupid crap without even realizing it's stupid. There was a time in the 70's where my friends and I would partake of Dr. Hoffman's discovery. Some of the things we did would have made no sense at all to any casual observer. There was no purpose or "why". They just happened. We were not celebrities, there was no social media, and no-one had cameras so there was no publicity. Times are different now but the effect of said illicit chemicals is still the same. |
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Well, MAGA is written on the letter sent earlier.
So I don't discount anything on that either. If you believe the letter and the attack are connected, then MAGA fits. |
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My unhelpful anecdote would be that 2 white guys mugging a black guy in Streeterville sounds pretty unusual. But I was wondering about this so I looked and found a summary of a study. Here's the link to the PDF of the original study. Short version - the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by folks of the same race as the victim. White on black would be rare, as black on white would also be rare (just very slightly less rare).
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Actually, it might have been a crime of opportunity i.e. they went for the guy walking down the street and recognized him from the show. Your police pdf says only that an unknown liquid substance was poured on him so they wouldn't necessarily be carrying bleach around with them either.
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What is narrowing down the possibility that this attack occurred on the way back from Subway is the time frame and the video cameras.
There's nothing else that I would question as "impossible" in the story. |
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If the police smelled bleach ~45 minutes after the attack, how strong would that smell have been at the time of the attack?
Assuming the police were indeed smelling the residue of what was thrown on Smollett. |
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