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Except you can't. It's an essential part of the equation.
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This seems like an irrelevant point. I'm not saying one cannot care about 2 things at once. I'm saying that if you can't take care of your kids then "risking jail time" vs just about any other alternative should be a pretty clear choice.
I understand this is easier said than done (who wants to give up their kids, even if only temporarily assuming things improve?) but we're talking about well-being of children, here. |
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IT was possible to work your way through a good state school as late as the 2000s.
Point is they get screwed regardless of affirmative action and when they point that out, for the most part they just get told that white people have no reason to complain. |
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It's a pervasive, circular problem. The hiring manager doesn't want to get blamed for making a mistake, so he can always point to somebody's prestigious paper credentials as his justification, even if the hire is a dud. The cliche is that an Ivy League degree only helps you get your first job but doesn't give you an advantage forever. But that first job is the foundation for everything that follows.
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The nasty part - some of these parents got their kids in by pushing the line that they had a disability, when they didn't. Which is why, for the rest of us, these exemptions are very difficult to get for any subject - particularly if you have a learning disability but do very well by simply working a lot harder than most others would - like myself when it comes to essay writing or trying to learn another language.
By the way, I'd like to generously give two extended middle fingers to any parent that bribed their way into a disability exemption. There's much to be said for, say, access to a fully-stocked lab, for many lines of study - or access to journals and databases. But really, why are they bribing and lying just to get their kids into the "elite" schools? Because they're the "elite" schools, that's why. You'd be surprised at how many of these parents worry about the percentage of kids at their child's grade schools graduate from an Ivy League school. And I mean, like K-8, not even high schools - and I mean *other* peoples' kids, not their own. At my private high school, a few parents were worried when three of the people in my graduating class (out of 45 total!) were going to attend - gasp - the public system's flagship campus. Keep in mind, everyone was going to a 4-year college, but the three from the poorest background - myself included - decided we'd prefer not to take on heavy debts and enter the work-study system, and the state flagship gave us all generous scholarships. This, right here. Putting the kids into the local foster care system isn't just mean to the parent, it's disruptive to the kids - and given that both the percentage of homeless parents, *and* the kids that have the worst chances of finding foster families, are racial minorities...you're just going to make a problem worse. Basic housing, where the parent can have a stable address, phone #, and so forth, is far less expensive, and keeps the disruption to the child's life to a minimum. (Of course, we could also discuss the way we fund public schools - the fact that teachers are going on strike because their textbooks list GWB at the current president and there are no nurses is absurd - but that's a side topic, isn't it?) |
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That's pretty much granted on request, no bribe required. Little documentation, let alone bribes, required.
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One interesting matter - so-called "legacy admissions", at some universities (I know Howard does this) are granted to anyone who had a parent work at the university, not just attend and graduate. And that can extend to janitors, cooks, and the like, not just professors - although these days when these services are often given to companies like Aramark, I don't know how well it works out.
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The title of the first article you posted is 'Mom jailed for sending kids to better school district'. This is not only an outright lie about what she was jailed for, but is obviously intended to read as a noble mother doing the best she can for her children. A child would even understand how this was portrayed. You seriously don't?
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Wut? I'm making no such argument. At all. Even a little.
I said the taxpayers are the ones being defrauded, full stop. Absolutely, unequivocally, I did not say only taxpayers are entitled to send their kids to school, or anything remotely like that. That's a pretty warped thing to say, and I have not the foggiest idea how you construed any post I made to infer that. Pretty insulting, tbh. |
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Not to mention the unemployed, people who don't own property, and those collecting welfare and disability benefits all pay taxes.
As do resident aliens attending universities. ETA: Basically it would be a remarkable feat to attend college in the U.S. (including covering most of the first 2 layers of maslow's hierarchy for 4 years) and somehow not pay taxes. |
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The 'equation' is the bigger picture, which I agree needs an overhaul. I am very much in favor of dispensing tax dollars equally in public school districts, and those with the luxury of affording better can pay additionally for private schooling (or who achieve to the point of earning scholarships).
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Fortunately, my beloved Garden State and in fact all the States do not agree with you. You can reside somewhere, anywhere, without a deed or lease. If you live under a boardwalk or overpass, you reside there.
Which laws apply, you ask? See link below for the laws regarding the education of homeless children of New Jersey, USA. A quick quip about how we differ with your odd interpretation of residence:
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Um...a post that starts 'Hey, I wanna attend the Oxford!' should maybe, I dunno...be taken a little facetiously? |
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That's true, if you consume or spend anything you are contributing taxes one way or the other. But schools are funded primarily via local property taxes, which are paid either by owners, mortgagees, or renters (indirectly). And every child, regardless of their parent's status, is entitled to drink from that pool and receive a free public education. But like any other member of such a social contract, they should stay within the bounds of law and ethics while doing so. The meta battle of how tax dollars should fund schools is not a Robin Hood-esque excuse to defraud your way into abusing that free education.
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Your words...no one elses.
It's really not that complicated.
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Actually it wasnt she (from the quote in the Snopes article ) ".... was sentenced to five years in prison and another five years of probation after pleading guilty to drug and larceny charges...." The larceny charge was the charge about her sending her kids to the wrong school.
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My bet is USC bends every rule to keep those kids enrolled. They are pissed they didn't get a cut of the 500k and want their share.
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