Do leggings make women just too arousing for Catholic men (and women) to handle?

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Yeah, that doesn't really help her though. Basically, she's freaking out for the temptation that hypothetically could have happened. She's like 3 steps away from anything that resembles a problem. This mountain isn't even a molehill.

No, it doesn't help her at all. It makes her look like a screeching loon.

"These evil harlots are corrupting our youth?"
"Um, no, your kids didn't even notice."

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

That's really the rub for me for this lady's prudish letter about yoga pants. She lives in a college town full of young women, her sons are just going to have to learn how to deal with seeing a bunch of hotties out and about. Hopefully they learn how to keep their baser thoughts to themselves and act like a decent person, it's an important step to becoming a mature adult.

Actually, she probably doesn't live there. It is more likely that she was visiting from her gated community on the outskirts of anywhere but South Bend.

[3point14]

Originally Posted by luchog

And given that that's a patently ridiculous example with no real-word basis, I fail to see why it was even brought up except to score cheap Internet gotchas.

Fair point. I was just addressing the hypothetical put in front of me.

[JoeMorgue]

I think we need to be careful about equating "unusual" and "inappropriate"

If I walk into a Denny's and see a guy wearing a Viking Costume I'm gonna give it a second glance because that's unusual, but that's nothing on it being inappropriate.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

The church was on a college campus.

There is a reason why the letter writer's sons were not paying any attention to it - it's not an issue to them because it is common. As it would be to the wearers.

BTW, I am curious about your reply to my question of what joggers are supposed to wear in order to not deserve unwanted sexual attention. Are you sticking with your position that joggers dressed for jogging are responsible for any sexual attention they get?

Happy to respond, although I thought my example showed the response pretty clearly.

Joggers are wearing gear for their activity. Perfectly appropriate. One of my kids swam for the High School, and at a meet there were dozens of teens in swimsuits, and inevitably it was all hanging out. Much like bikinis on the beach. Joggers are in the gray area between being situationally appropriate and in the general view, but it's fine.

Now, the part you inexplicably took the time to snip out: a skimpy bikini is normal on the beach. Do you think this is appropriate for a church service? Or at dinner?

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

I think there are two different issues here. Clothing that is thought of as revealing and/or inherently sexy, and just general formality. Most people might consider it in bad taste to wear a bikini to a church, but it would also be considered as bad manners to wear paint stained sweatpants and a ratty t-shirt. Dressing "up" is often seen as a way of communicating respect. Wearing neat and tidy clothes to a church is often seen as a show of respect, the same way that wearing a nice suit to a job interview is.

That's really the rub for me for this lady's prudish letter about yoga pants. She lives in a college town full of young women, her sons are just going to have to learn how to deal with seeing a bunch of hotties out and about. Hopefully they learn how to keep their baser thoughts to themselves and act like a decent person, it's an important step to becoming a mature adult.

I'd be willing to agree with this lady if her complaint was that yoga pants were too casual for church. Her complaining about seeing a shapely butt makes me less sympathetic.

Generally speaking, I don't think most women are so naive to think that how they present themselves in public may affect how people think about them. I don't really see any clothing, no matter how sexual, as license to act like a rude ass to a woman. There are no thought crimes, but someone who is rude to strangers (catcalling, sexual comments, whatever) is a boor.

Agreed. My take is that the OP woman saw a lineup of tasty tushys racked up in front of her and thought it left too little to the imagination, especially in a church. Kind of understandable, although she might want to get used to the whole 21st century attire thing. Guys might stare, they might not. As long as no one gets offensive, live and let live.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I think we need to be careful about equating "unusual" and "inappropriate"

If I walk into a Denny's and see a guy wearing a Viking Costume I'm gonna give it a second glance because that's unusual, but that's nothing on it being inappropriate.

Unless he's carrying a bloody severed head in one hand..

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

Unless he's carrying a bloody severed head in one hand..

Kathy Griffin wears leggings now?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Kathy Griffin wears leggings now?

Probably. But Kathy Griffin going to Denny's dressed as a viking is a little less likely.

[Meadmaker]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Do you think that half of the women on campus walking to class want to be hit on by strangers?

Oh for Pete's sake. Why do you have to turn "attention" to "hit on by strangers".



If you are going to talk about when women ought to have to put up with being hit on by strangers, that's an interesting topic, but it isn't what my post was about.

As a standalone post, I agree with you, and in fact I think I made that reasonably clear even before you made the post.

[Arcade22]

Quote:

It’s Possible Leggings Are the Future. Deal With It.

The truth is, it’s possible leggings may be simply standing in for those other issues. One of the great gotchas of fashion is that what may appear superficial or unimportant (leggings!) is, in fact, representative of a more complicated, harder to express reality (identity). This is what gives clothes their power.

As a result, what the leggings uproar may have exposed is not so much anyone’s physique per se, but rather a cultural fault line that runs through generations. This historical pattern includes miniskirts and jeans, Mary Quant and James Dean, and garments that seemed egregious and inexplicable to what is generally referred to as the establishment but play a key and highly visual role in upending norms to make way for the next.

Sure, it’s possible that is overstating the matter. It’s possible they are just stretchy footless tights that are easy to wear.

But judging by Lululemon’s recent results, which saw net revenue rise 21 percent in the third quarter of 2018, and the fact that part of Levi’s much-heralded IPO was attributed to the “stretch” now included in jeans to cater to the leggings market, this “popular clothing choice” (as The Observer labeled them) is not going away any time soon. All this suggests that the Notre Dame uproar may not be a fluke, but a harbinger.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/f...ntroversy.html

I can't say I'm disappointed in how the future is turning out. Now we only have to make sure to marginalize the self-righteous "no fun allowed" moralists trying to hold back mankind's glorious development, as well as trying to encourage males to also dress in an equally sexy manner...

[Mike!]

Originally Posted by Steve

Probably. But Kathy Griffin going to Denny's dressed as a viking is a little less likely.

I'd bet if someone told her it'd piss republicans off, she'd do it in a heartbeat.

[qayak]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Do you think that half of the women on campus walking to class want to be hit on by strangers?

I think that it is a sad state that less than 100% of women on a university campus do not interact with fellow students while walking to class. Universities are supposed to be the most social, and interactive, places in society and yet snowflakes make them out to be warzones where poor little girls get PTSD because some guy wished them a good day.

[3point14]

Originally Posted by qayak

I think that it is a sad state that less than 100% of women on a university campus do not interact with fellow students while walking to class. Universities are supposed to be the most social, and interactive, places in society and yet snowflakes make them out to be warzones where poor little girls get PTSD because some guy wished them a good day.

I'm a fairly sociable person, but if you talk to me without good reason before about ten in the morning, you'll get bugger all from me.

Some of the people, some of the time don't want social interaction. They're just getting on with life. Even at university.

[isissxn]

I just hate talking to people if it isn't necessary. I hear about places like China where it's considered unthinkable to interrupt strangers for small talk, and I get deeply envious. When I go to work, it's because I have to get money. When I got to the store, it's because I need ****. When I go to class, it is to learn. There is literally no point ever that I want a conversation with a rando, and I've gotten to the point where I'm going to just say that, precisely that, to men and women alike if they speak to me needlessly.

If a fire started right in front of us, or a guy pulled off his clothes and started fiddling on the subway, or you're sitting next to me and our plane might go down - okay, I will talk to you. If you need directions or genuine help of some kind, okay, I will try to see if I can help you. But if you're just chatty? **** off! Think I'm a jerk? Don't care!

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by qayak

I think that it is a sad state that less than 100% of women on a university campus do not interact with fellow students while walking to class. Universities are supposed to be the most social, and interactive, places in society and yet snowflakes make them out to be warzones where poor little girls get PTSD because some guy wished them a good day.

Tbf, the States have this problem everywhere, and campuses are one of the more socially approachable places. I once heard that being a woman on an American street is like being surrounded by NFL linemen, most of whom will very much will try to **** you. I usually have to get a few words in before they will realize I'm not hitting on them and they open up.

[JoeMorgue]

Okay so the real question... what about MAGA leggings?

*I'm actually scared to Google that because I'm sure somebody actually makes them*

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Okay so the real question... what about MAGA leggings?

*I'm actually scared to Google that because I'm sure somebody actually makes them*

Means you are proud take it in the rear?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Okay so the real question... what about MAGA leggings?

*I'm actually scared to Google that because I'm sure somebody actually makes them*

Of course someone does. How could you ever doubt it? And why would you be scared of it?
https://www.aafnation.com/products/maga-leggings

Enjoy!

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Of course someone does. How could you ever doubt it? And why would you be scared of it?
https://www.aafnation.com/products/maga-leggings

Enjoy!

I love people selling MAGA gear that isn't Trump campaign gear. Siphon that money away from Donnie Con as quickly as possible!

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

I love people selling MAGA gear that isn't Trump campaign gear. Siphon that money away from Donnie Con as quickly as possible!

Trump trademarked "Make America Great Again". It's entirely possible this stuff is licensed, even if it isn't from the campaign.

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Do leggings make women just too arousing for Catholic men (and women) to handle?

They do when I wear them.

[Meadmaker]

Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome

Do leggings make women just too arousing for Catholic men (and women) to handle?

They do when I wear them.

Wins thread.

[xjx388]

I’ve seen arguments on this forum that merely wearing a MAGA hat warrants being called out and even punched because some people associate it with white supremacy or something -irrespective of what the wearer’s views might actually be.

So if it can be said that the MAGA teen or whatever deserves whatever **** comes their way, please explain how that’s not victim blaming.

MAGA hat = Hott clothes, just to make it clear.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by xjx388

I’ve seen arguments on this forum that merely wearing a MAGA hat warrants being called out and even punched because some people associate it with white supremacy or something -irrespective of what the wearer’s views might actually be.

So if it can be said that the MAGA teen or whatever deserves whatever **** comes their way, please explain how that’s not victim blaming.

MAGA hat = Hott clothes , just to make it clear.

Sorry, you are wrong. A MAGA hat definitely does not equal hot clothes!

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by isissxn

I just hate talking to people if it isn't necessary. I hear about places like China where it's considered unthinkable to interrupt strangers for small talk, and I get deeply envious. When I go to work, it's because I have to get money. When I got to the store, it's because I need ****. When I go to class, it is to learn. There is literally no point ever that I want a conversation with a rando, and I've gotten to the point where I'm going to just say that, precisely that, to men and women alike if they speak to me needlessly.

If a fire started right in front of us, or a guy pulled off his clothes and started fiddling on the subway, or you're sitting next to me and our plane might go down - okay, I will talk to you. If you need directions or genuine help of some kind, okay, I will try to see if I can help you. But if you're just chatty? **** off! Think I'm a jerk? Don't care!

At last, someone else understands!

I would be very happy indeed if no stranger ever talked to me for any unnecessary reason. And I'm not even an attractive young woman. In fact, I'm none of those things. And people still randomly try and talk to me! Go away!

[dann]

Originally Posted by Steve

Sorry, you are wrong. A MAGA hat definitely does not equal hot clothes!

It's funny how the defenders of MAGA hats in this forum always try to reduce them to mere items of clothing even though what they like about them is the message: Make America Great Again by handing over every last bit of wealth that the country contains to the billionaire class while at the same time pretending that it's about white versus blacks and native borns versus foreigners. Of course, the latter, racism and nationalism, is what most MAGA hat wearers imagine that MAGA is about.
They will probably also claim that a placard carried at a rally is just a piece of cardboard and The Turner Diaries is just a science fiction novel.
Usually, leggings are just that: leggings. But they come in alt-right versions, too, and at that point they stop being just leggings. They are leggings with a political message.
I would never claim that my Che Guevara T-shirts are just T-shirts. And in some contexts I won't wear them.


ETA: "merely wearing a MAGA hat" is different from merely wearing a hat. It's not merely; it's a political message. And the MAGA hat wearers usually know it. In this case, they're just pretending to be ignorant.

[Roboramma]

Originally Posted by dann

ETA: "merely wearing a MAGA hat" is different from merely wearing a hat. It's not merely; it's a political message. And the MAGA hat wearers usually know it. In this case, they're just pretending to be ignorant.

I think you missed the point. You are assuming a particular message from a MAGA hat, which may be different from the message intended by it's wearer. Similarly someone might assume a particular message from the wearer of leggings, which might be different from the message intended by it's wearer.

[MetalPig]

Originally Posted by isissxn

I just hate talking to people if it isn't necessary. I hear about places like China where it's considered unthinkable to interrupt strangers for small talk, and I get deeply envious. When I go to work, it's because I have to get money. When I got to the store, it's because I need ****. When I go to class, it is to learn. There is literally no point ever that I want a conversation with a rando, and I've gotten to the point where I'm going to just say that, precisely that, to men and women alike if they speak to me needlessly.

I would love to have a drink and stare at a candle with you.

[Oystein]

Today it's mostly sunny and mild here in Germany, after a longer spell with umcomfortable (not really cold, but far from warm) temperatures, I am off from work early, and have been doing an informal survey of what pants women wear to greet spring. First in the main shopping street of the blue collar city where I work (a significantly elevated proportion of people with migrant roots, often Turkish), and now in a street cafe in my more conservative little home town.

I see VERY few leggins! Young ladies mostly sport skin-tight pants, usually blue jeans, but also other colors and fabrics. The middle agers and the rest of the young ones wear more relaxed cuts. I see the occasional leggings on three types of women:
Middle aged women who otherwise wear other comfortable clothes
Muslimas who wear them under dresses, skirts or hijabs
People working out on their bicycles, skates or jogging shoes.

I'd say that very nearly 100% of leggings are worn (here and now) for being comfortable, nearly 0% to show off body parts

[isissxn]

Originally Posted by MetalPig

I would love to have a drink and stare at a candle with you.

[dann]

Originally Posted by Roboramma

I think you missed the point. You are assuming a particular message from a MAGA hat, which may be different from the message intended by it's wearer.

No, I'm not! And I made it very obvious in one of the parts of my post that you didn't quote:

Originally Posted by dann

It's funny how the defenders of MAGA hats in this forum always try to reduce them to mere items of clothing even though what they like about them is the message: Make America Great Again by handing over every last bit of wealth that the country contains to the billionaire class while at the same time pretending that it's about white versus blacks and native borns versus foreigners. Of course, the latter, racism and nationalism, is what most MAGA hat wearers imagine that MAGA is about.

I won't deny that a few MAGA hat wearers may think that it means, "Make America Great Again by recycling" or "Make America Great Again by treating brown-skinned foreigners with respect," but at this point in time I think that most people know that this is not how it's intended by the guys who came up with the slogan or by the majority of MAGA hat wearers.

Quote:

Similarly someone might assume a particular message from the wearer of leggings, which might be different from the message intended by it's wearer.

Yes, somebody may think that the wearer of Pepe-the-Frog leggings is a big fan of Kermit, but do you actually believe that most wearers of that particular version think so?

(One of my (Afro-)Cuban friends was very fond of a scarf a German tourist had given him until I told him that he was wearing the Confederate flag. He wasn't familiar with the symbol. Of course, it's possible that the German guy didn't know about it, but I tend to think that he was an ******* who enjoyed the 'joke' of having a black descendant of slaves wear the symbol of slaveowners.)

ETA: The German tourist may also have have been extremely fond of historical statues and lamented tearing them down in the good old Confederacy, but ...

[carlitos]

Originally Posted by isissxn

I just hate talking to people if it isn't necessary. I hear about places like China where it's considered unthinkable to interrupt strangers for small talk, and I get deeply envious. When I go to work, it's because I have to get money. When I got to the store, it's because I need ****. When I go to class, it is to learn. There is literally no point ever that I want a conversation with a rando, and I've gotten to the point where I'm going to just say that, precisely that, to men and women alike if they speak to me needlessly.

If a fire started right in front of us, or a guy pulled off his clothes and started fiddling on the subway, or you're sitting next to me and our plane might go down - okay, I will talk to you. If you need directions or genuine help of some kind, okay, I will try to see if I can help you. But if you're just chatty? **** off! Think I'm a jerk? Don't care!

You might live living in the UK. When we did, I mostly embraced their quiet reserved nature, but occasionally I would randomly greet people to freak them out. It seems like the exact opposite of the American South, where friendly greetings are more of a staple.

carlitos - "HI!"
British dude - [looks up from feet, nods awkwardly]

[isissxn]

Whoa, which thread is this.

I was just in a MAGA hat thread, then I popped into this thread and... MAGA hats.

Glitch

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by isissxn

Whoa, which thread is this.

I was just in a MAGA hat thread, then I popped into this thread and... MAGA hats.

Glitch

It's all MAGA Hats. The MAGA Hat is the alpha and the omega. In the beginning there was... the MAGA Hat.

[isissxn]

Originally Posted by carlitos

You might live living in the UK. When we did, I mostly embraced their quiet reserved nature, but occasionally I would randomly greet people to freak them out. It seems like the exact opposite of the American South, where friendly greetings are more of a staple.

carlitos - "HI!"
British dude - [looks up from feet, nods awkwardly]

Hahaha, I watched a thing on Netflix once called "Very British Problems," and the way those talking heads spoke about small talk was PERFECT. It was like my own soul gained a posh accent and the ability to articulate its feelings for a short time. One guy described getting off a train or something at the wrong stop so that he wouldn't have to talk to someone talkative. I have literally done that. More than once. Except it was buses too.

I don't think Britain would have me though, lol.

[Thermal]

In the name of the Fuehrer,

And of the Right,

And of the Master Race,

MAGAmen.

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Thermal

In the name of the Fuehrer,

And of the Right,

And of the Master Race,

MAGAmen.

Wrong thread. This one is about hot Catholic chicks in tights and how to chat them up.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by isissxn

Hahaha, I watched a thing on Netflix once called "Very British Problems," and the way those talking heads spoke about small talk was PERFECT. It was like my own soul gained a posh accent and the ability to articulate its feelings for a short time. One guy described getting off a train or something at the wrong stop so that he wouldn't have to talk to someone talkative. I have literally done that. More than once. Except it was buses too.

I don't think Britain would have me though, lol.

I've heard Finland is even more disinclined to small talk with strangers. There's a meme of a bus stop with ten people at it and they're all standing eight feet apart not looking at it each other. Only one actually fits at the stop itself. Supposedly that's typical Finland.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Wrong thread. This one is about hot Catholic chicks in tights and how to chat them up.

My bad.

In the name of your father issues,
And of your shame,
And of your anything-goes-but-intercourse attitude,
So how you doin?