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Old 1st April 2019, 10:34 PM   #1
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Man slashed by MAGA-hatted assailant shouting homophobic slurs

It happened outside a roller-skating rink in San Francisco on Sunday night, where the victim said he was approached by another man wearing a red MAGA cap who engaged him in a heated argument.

During the argument the victim reached for the hat, whereupon the MAGAttacker drew a sword and slashed at him before taking off running. The victim started giving chase but quickly stopped when he realized he was bleeding profusely. Bystanders called 911 and performed first aid until paramedics arrived.

According to police a witness at the scene but not of the attack itself reported having seen a man in the immediate area shortly before the incident, wearing a MAGA cap with a (what the witness presumed at the time was fake) sword tucked into the back of his jacket, who had been shouting homophobic slurs.

The incident is mildly reminiscent of the Jussie Smollett incident, in Chicago - but with some key differences. In this case the victim was found at the location of the incident immediately afterwards and received medical attention for what by all accounts were genuine injuries - photos of the bloody scene were later shared on social media. The MAGA hat, knocked off the attacker's head during the attack, was also photographed at the scene but otherwise left there untouched by bystanders until police arrived. And a secondary witness, not the victim, who saw the assailant shortly prior to the attack attributed homophobic remarks to him.
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This is the second sighting of MAGAninjas this year. However the police asked if anyone had seen someone dressed as a pirate (not kidding, it's in the article). These have got to be the world's laziest cops.
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I hope they put an immediate APB out on anything matching the description of a hot sauce bottle.
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The stupidity of every joke by MAGA ****s on social media referencing Jussie Smollett...

They will forever live in the Jussie story. It's the only thing they've got in the face of 99% of the MAGA related incidents that occur.
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The stupidity of every joke by MAGA ****s on social media referencing Jussie Smollett...

They will forever live in the Jussie story. It's the only thing they've got in the face of 99% of the MAGA related incidents that occur.
But it is a pretty good one though.

And has the added value of being extremely funny
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
This is the second sighting of MAGAninjas this year. However the police asked if anyone had seen someone dressed as a pirate (not kidding, it's in the article). These have got to be the world's laziest cops.
Don't sully the good name of ninjas, please.
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Gay people will clearly go to great lengths to hurt Trumps reputation.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
It happened outside a roller-skating rink in San Francisco on Sunday night, where the victim said he was approached by another man wearing a red MAGA cap who engaged him in a heated argument.

During the argument the victim reached for the hat, whereupon the MAGAttacker drew a sword and slashed at him before taking off running. The victim started giving chase but quickly stopped when he realized he was bleeding profusely. Bystanders called 911 and performed first aid until paramedics arrived.

According to police a witness at the scene but not of the attack itself reported having seen a man in the immediate area shortly before the incident, wearing a MAGA cap with a (what the witness presumed at the time was fake) sword tucked into the back of his jacket, who had been shouting homophobic slurs.

The incident is mildly reminiscent of the Jussie Smollett incident, in Chicago - but with some key differences. In this case the victim was found at the location of the incident immediately afterwards and received medical attention for what by all accounts were genuine injuries - photos of the bloody scene were later shared on social media. The MAGA hat, knocked off the attacker's head during the attack, was also photographed at the scene but otherwise left there untouched by bystanders until police arrived. And a secondary witness, not the victim, who saw the assailant shortly prior to the attack attributed homophobic remarks to him.
"You touch my hat and I'll cut you." Seriously though, why is it Trump haters are always reaching for the hat? It seems to happen with astonishing regularity... "I hate Trump, give me your offensive headgear!!!" When did that sort of thing become acceptable?
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Sounds like self defense. Reaching for another person's head during an argument could look like the start of battery.
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"You touch my hat and I'll cut you." Seriously though, why is it Trump haters are always reaching for the hat? It seems to happen with astonishing regularity... "I hate Trump, give me your offensive headgear!!!" When did that sort of thing become acceptable?
Not to defend this attacker, but supposedly forcibly pulling someone's hijab off of their head would constitute an assault and a hate crime. (There have been a number of such incidents reported, some of which have turned out to be false reports, but it is usually described as an assault and a hate crime.)

So, if forcibly removing a person's head covering is an assault and potentially a hate crime, then the same is true if you remove someone's hat.

Again, I say this not to defend the assailant, but to point out the double standard.
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
"You touch my hat and I'll cut you." Seriously though, why is it Trump haters are always reaching for the hat? It seems to happen with astonishing regularity... "I hate Trump, give me your offensive headgear!!!" When did that sort of thing become acceptable?
I recall reading a published transcript of the trial of “Stacker” Lee for the murder of Billy Lyon...An incident that has been the subject of literally hundreds of versions of the same song.

Apparently the dispute started when Lyon “dissed” Lee’s fancy Stetson hat... Which was a insult in that community equivalent to the glove-slap preceding a formal duel in European society.
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Not to defend this attacker, but supposedly forcibly pulling someone's hijab off of their head would constitute an assault and a hate crime. (There have been a number of such incidents reported, some of which have turned out to be false reports, but it is usually described as an assault and a hate crime.)

So, if forcibly removing a person's head covering is an assault and potentially a hate crime, then the same is true if you remove someone's hat.

Again, I say this not to defend the assailant, but to point out the double standard.
The hijab is a religious symbol. The MAGA-hat is a symbol of hate. No equivalence.

With that said, don't go pulling people's hats off unless you're ready for a confrontation. In this case, the MAGA-moron apparently started the confrontation, so it doesn't really apply here.

ETA: Just so we don't get our usual suspects running too far with this narrative: This incident didn't start with someone trying to grab the MAGA-boi's hat.
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The hijab is a religious symbol. The MAGA-hat is a symbol of hate.
Not at all wearing a MAGA-hat is a religious requirement for all MAGAists. See this lawsuit.

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/17/mag...happiest-hour/

Like all worshipers of the godking Individual One how else should they express their devotion?
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Does anyone here honestly think that stealing someone's hat is sufficient threat to utilize lethal force? not to mention that our MAGA hero was out trolling for a fight by seeking out gay people to taunt while armed with a sword. Somehow I think a jury would be less than sympathetic to such a self-defense claim.
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Does anyone here honestly think that stealing someone's hat is sufficient threat to utilize lethal force? not to mention that our MAGA hero was out trolling for a fight by seeking out gay people to taunt while armed with a sword. Somehow I think a jury would be less than sympathetic to such a self-defense claim.
It does seem fairly common for stand your ground issues. I mean how else was he supposed to stand his ground?
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It does seem fairly common for stand your ground issues. I mean how else was he supposed to stand his ground?
You've convinced me. I hope our poor victim pops into a police station so he can report this horrible battery that was inflicted on his person.
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So the victims hand was 'partially severed', according to dann's video? I feel comfortable ruling out a hoax for the time being. Jussie certainly didn't have that kind of commitment.

Some thoughts, and I guess I should put that in scare quotes:

What kind of ninja wears a bright red hat? Do these guys not get 'the art of invisibility'?

Speaking of criticizing hats, the people interviewed might want to do a little self-reflection. One had on a white sequin-studded top hat, and the other a black leather cowboy hat.

And to call out the ninja elephant in the room: the MAGAninja was claimed to have his sword in his back under his coat. There has been much online discussion elsewhere about how it is impossible to draw a sword strapped to your back unless you are quadruple-jointed and with telescoping arms, unless the sword is very short and the handle sticking out over your own head. Drawing it from under a coat would likely get caught up and cut you up pretty good before getting it out, assuming you had the requisite telescoping arms.

If the victim knocked off the MAGAninjahat, could the assailant claim self-defense? Seems so, although the sword requires some 'splainin, Lucy.

Have the Osundario Brother's whereabouts been accounted for?

**** keeps me up at night.
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"You touch my hat and I'll cut you." Seriously though, why is it Trump haters are always reaching for the hat? It seems to happen with astonishing regularity... "I hate Trump, give me your offensive headgear!!!" When did that sort of thing become acceptable?
Combination of a trophy, and application of knocking the chip off someone's shoulder.
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So the victims hand was 'partially severed', according to dann's video? I feel comfortable ruling out a hoax for the time being. Jussie certainly didn't have that kind of commitment.

Some thoughts, and I guess I should put that in scare quotes:

What kind of ninja wears a bright red hat? Do these guys not get 'the art of invisibility'?

Speaking of criticizing hats, the people interviewed might want to do a little self-reflection. One had on a white sequin-studded top hat, and the other a black leather cowboy hat.

And to call out the ninja elephant in the room: the MAGAninja was claimed to have his sword in his back under his coat. There has been much online discussion elsewhere about how it is impossible to draw a sword strapped to your back unless you are quadruple-jointed and with telescoping arms, unless the sword is very short and the handle sticking out over your own head. Drawing it from under a coat would likely get caught up and cut you up pretty good before getting it out, assuming you had the requisite telescoping arms.

If the victim knocked off the MAGAninjahat, could the assailant claim self-defense? Seems so, although the sword requires some 'splainin, Lucy.

Have the Osundario Brother's whereabouts been accounted for?

**** keeps me up at night.
I completely agree. There is no way the sword could have been drawn, thus no attack could have happened. FAKE!

Or alternately...

I completely agree. All those videos and articles claiming swords strapped to backs cannot be drawn easily or quickly are wrong. FAKE!
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The story as told seem likely true but, San Francisco, more likely a crazy homeless person than a crazy conservative but we shall see. I doubt they ever find the guy.

Also, sword/big knife whatever.
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The stupidity of every joke by MAGA ****s on social media referencing Jussie Smollett...

They will forever live in the Jussie story. It's the only thing they've got in the face of 99% of the MAGA related incidents that occur.
Can you explain what this means? I don't get it
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I completely agree. There is no way the sword could have been drawn, thus no attack could have happened. FAKE!

Or alternately...

I completely agree. All those videos and articles claiming swords strapped to backs cannot be drawn easily or quickly are wrong. FAKE!
Kidding aside, I am assuming the weapon will turn out to be something shorter, like one of those elaborate fantasy knives, that witnesses mistook for a sword.
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The hijab is a religious symbol. The MAGA-hat is a symbol of hate. No equivalence.

With that said, don't go pulling people's hats off unless you're ready for a confrontation. In this case, the MAGA-moron apparently started the confrontation, so it doesn't really apply here.

ETA: Just so we don't get our usual suspects running too far with this narrative: This incident didn't start with someone trying to grab the MAGA-boi's hat.
uh oh.

Of course it's absurd to pretend that one's political apparel is somehow worse than one's religious apparel (this goes for more than Islamic clothes, btw). Supporting a presidency does not automatically mean you are hateful. I know, Trump is hitler and all that but again people have different reasons and priorities for their beliefs. I don't assume all Muslims HATE gay people, for example, even though almost all of them believe it is a sin and a large proportion of the world's muslim population believes it should be punishable by death.
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Anyway, self-defense makes (some) sense BUT obviously if a sharp weapon was used then way too much force was used in retaliation, imo.
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Kidding aside, I am assuming the weapon will turn out to be something shorter, like one of those elaborate fantasy knives, that witnesses mistook for a sword.
My money is on a common machete. Cheap, widely available, effective at maiming strangers, and often come with some sort of cheapy sheath
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My money is on a common machete. Cheap, widely available, effective at maiming strangers, and often come with some sort of cheapy sheath
Agreed, good bet
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Query to 'Friscans: y'all have CCW n this area? If th MAGAninja had a legit CCW, would a bladed weapon fall into the category of concealed dangerous weapon, although we usually think of a gun in those terms?
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The hijab is a religious symbol. The MAGA-hat is a symbol of hate. No equivalence.
To quote The Dude, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Not an objective fact. Some people see the hijab as a symbol of oppression (opinion of a Muslim woman). A tool for the subjugation of women. In many countries women are required to wear a hijab, niqab, or burka and can be punished severely if they don't. The religious/secular distinction is irrelevant.

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With that said, don't go pulling people's hats off unless you're ready for a confrontation. In this case, the MAGA-moron apparently started the confrontation, so it doesn't really apply here.

ETA: Just so we don't get our usual suspects running too far with this narrative: This incident didn't start with someone trying to grab the MAGA-boi's hat.
Supposedly the MAGA-moron started the "verbal" confrontation, but the alleged victim started the physical one by reaching for the hat. Since the hat ended up on the ground he must have actually pulled it off. I think the MAGA-moron was trying to provoke a fight though, so that he could cut someone with a sword and claim self-defense.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
The hijab is a religious symbol. The MAGA-hat is a symbol of hate. No equivalence.

With that said, don't go pulling people's hats off unless you're ready for a confrontation. In this case, the MAGA-moron apparently started the confrontation, so it doesn't really apply here.

ETA: Just so we don't get our usual suspects running too far with this narrative: This incident didn't start with someone trying to grab the MAGA-boi's hat.
Wait, where did you see that? The assailant was reported by others to be walking around in circles using slurs. Supremely dickish, but legal. The first physical exchange I read was of the hat being knocked off by the victim. You read otherwise?
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Considering the date around which this was reported, I think I'll refrain from commenting further.

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Old 2nd April 2019, 08:21 AM   #33
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The pirate thing: police say a man dressed as a pirate with MAGA hat had been harassing people with slurs around there for a while.

The guy with the white sequin studded top hat (rink owner Miles, or Sk8father) says the sword was about two feet long. Sounds machete sized, but based on the pirate getup, maybe a functional cutlass? Might explain why people claim to have seen the sword before the attack, but didn't think it was real.

The victim chased the MAGAninja (do we have to switch to a pirate theme now?) for a while, not realizing how bad he was cut. Captain RedHat was evidently flipped off by the victim, which was why the hand was cut so badly.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...507902231.html
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Old 2nd April 2019, 08:30 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
More good stuff:

The pirate thing: police say a man dressed as a pirate with MAGA hat had been harassing people with slurs around there for a while.

The guy with the white sequin studded top hat (rink owner Miles, or Sk8father) says the sword was about two feet long. Sounds machete sized, but based on the pirate getup, maybe a functional cutlass? Might explain why people claim to have seen the sword before the attack, but didn't think it was real.

The victim chased the MAGAninja (do we have to switch to a pirate theme now?) for a while, not realizing how bad he was cut. Captain RedHat was evidently flipped off by the victim, which was why the hand was cut so badly.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...507902231.html
That story differs from the other one, in that it doesn't mention that the alleged victim reached for the assailant's hat first, while the other one doesn't mention the flipping off. I wouldn't put too much stock in either version yet.
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Does anyone here honestly think that stealing someone's hat is sufficient threat to utilize lethal force?
Deadly force, not lethal force. And no, I don't think anyone here thinks that, because no one here expressed that opinion.

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not to mention that our MAGA hero was out trolling for a fight by seeking out gay people to taunt while armed with a sword.
Which suggests some mental instability.

So what kind of moron, when presented with a sword-wielding lunatic, decides it's a good idea to try to steal their hat? And to make it obvious, I'm not saying the sword attack was an appropriate or even legally justifiable response, but still: who is that stupid?
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The stupidity of every joke by MAGA ****s on social media referencing Jussie Smollett...

They will forever live in the Jussie story. It's the only thing they've got in the face of 99% of the MAGA related incidents that occur.
Want there a synagogue fire that was false as well?
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Does anyone here honestly think that stealing someone's hat is sufficient threat to utilize lethal force? not to mention that our MAGA hero was out trolling for a fight by seeking out gay people to taunt while armed with a sword. Somehow I think a jury would be less than sympathetic to such a self-defense claim.
Was sword carrying legal in his area? If so that is going to have an impact.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Deadly force, not lethal force. And no, I don't think anyone here thinks that, because no one here expressed that opinion.
Such a thing is implied if self-defense is mentioned, at least if we are presuming any modicum of lawful self defense. Given the absurdly disproportionate levels of force, any such claim of self-defense is absurd.



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Which suggests some mental instability.

So what kind of moron, when presented with a sword-wielding lunatic, decides it's a good idea to try to steal their hat? And to make it obvious, I'm not saying the sword attack was an appropriate or even legally justifiable response, but still: who is that stupid?
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Kidding aside, I am assuming the weapon will turn out to be something shorter, like one of those elaborate fantasy knives, that witnesses mistook for a sword.
I was guessing sharp but decorative or stage ready. If you are just looking to slash someone and don't need durability a wall hanger could work.
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Something is definitely not right here. There are insane people in the world, so anything is possible, but pirate homophobic maga hat wearers really makes me think something is odd about this story. Unfortunately, I'm at work so I can't look it up.
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