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Old 9th April 2019, 08:38 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Dude, you are getting weirder every day. You may want to chill before you cross some point of no return.
No, don't tell him to stop - he's my favorite philosopher.
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Old 9th April 2019, 09:28 AM   #42
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I agree. Although it potentially presents some challenges, such as caring for the elderly, but they may be not as dire as some would make them out to be.
Well i guess that's what the Japanese are testing for us. It's not surprising that many of Japan's idiosyncrasies are the result of its large elderly population.

Popular culture, technology and science is cutting edge and the envy of much of the world. Yet they are still quite conservative in terms of public morals and prevailing attitudes. They have what can only be described as one of the most "advanced" pornography industries yet somehow genitalia must be censored.

Hell the demographic issues they face is usually portrayed as being about young people not having enough kids to take care of the political establishment when they go into retirement, as if young people have a duty to have kids only for the sake them.
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Old 9th April 2019, 09:54 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Dude, you are getting weirder every day. You may want to chill before you cross some point of no return.
I hope you're making a joke here, and we're not living in a world where 'live and let live' is somehow a bizarre idea.
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Old 9th April 2019, 10:20 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"OMG we're gonna outbreed the carrying capacity of the planet" has been one of the environmentalist boogeymen for decades.

As societies grow and prosper birth rates go down. You know once you start separating the pooping water from the drinking water and using farming techniques more advanced then "Wishful thinking and maybe sometimes sacrificing a virgin" you don't have to worry so much about 4 of the 356 kids you have making it to adulthood.

Yeah there's always that weird "population boom" period after you achieve the necessary steps to... you know not have most of you die but before you calm down and stop pumping out the little ones, but it never lasts.
Well resource consumption in the 2nd world and some 3rd world countries has gone way up in the past decades as well, so a 7 billion population may still be a problem.

There's too many of us eating too much. What do we do?
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I hope you're making a joke here, and we're not living in a world where 'live and let live' is somehow a bizarre idea.
I am making a joke about how it sometimes seems that we are living in a world where 'live and let live' is a bizarre idea.

They're not all good jokes.
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Old 10th April 2019, 04:41 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
It is a good thing, if you're of a particular view. Otherwise, not so much.
I don't want humans to go extinct but I do think that we could live in better balance with nature and more sustainably if the global population were lower than it currently is. I don't know what the magic number is but I think we're above it.
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Old 10th April 2019, 05:14 AM   #47
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A similar trend in America
Americans are having less sex and it’s being driven by millennials and more elderly

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But among the 23 percent of adults - or nearly 1 in 4 - who spent the year in a celibate state, a much larger than expected number of them were twentysomething men, according to the latest data from the General Social Survey.
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The data also show a significant gender divide among twentysomethings.
For most of the past three decades, twentysomething men and women reported similar rates of sexlessness. But that’s changed in recent years. Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers.
There are several potential explanations for this, Twenge said. Labor force participation among young men has fallen, particularly in the aftermath of the last recession. Researchers also see a “connection between labor force participation and stable relationships,” she said.
Seems like a concerning trend. How many of these young men are incels? Tripled since 2008? Really??
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Old 10th April 2019, 05:22 AM   #48
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Before I come to any conclusions, I would like some statistics on masturbation.
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Old 10th April 2019, 05:37 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
A similar trend in America
Americans are having less sex and it’s being driven by millennials and more elderly



Seems like a concerning trend. How many of these young men are incels? Tripled since 2008? Really??
Really seems like the crashing economy is the driving factor. It's hard to participate in the joys of life with crippling financial insecurity hanging over your head. Being broke is a soul crusher.

What are you going to do, sneak a girl into your room above the parent's garage in between shifts of minimum wage drudgery?
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//Slight hijack, although it's at least conceptually related//

I always figured sex rates would go up during economic downturn. I mean... sex is free and a good (we could argue about how healthy of a way but good) way to get off of things.
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Depression is kind of a turn-off.
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//Slight hijack, although it's at least conceptually related//

I always figured sex rates would go up during economic downturn. I mean... sex is free and a good (we could argue about how healthy of a way but good) way to get off of things.
Many of the things that facilitate social interaction cost money. Depending on where you live, anything fun to do out in the world is going to cost money. Living in a place with cool free parks and such is often expensive, because cities are expensive.

Private living space is often expensive and the first thing to go in a money crunch. Knowing that your 3 roommates can hear you trying to get busy with your hot date might ruin the mood.

Dating requires free time, which means not using all your available time for work.
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//Slight hijack, although it's at least conceptually related//

I always figured sex rates would go up during economic downturn. I mean... sex is free and a good (we could argue about how healthy of a way but good) way to get off of things.
Many people find their partners at their workplace, or while out working elsewhere. Schools and places of higher education are other locations where people meet others. If people are neither employed, in education or otherwise receiving work-related training (this is refereed to as being a NEETWP) the amount of social interaction is usually reduced.

Even if prostitution is legal, openly advertised and is affordable people might simply rather spend their time masturbating at home although it would be interesting to see if there's any significant difference in the amount of "older virgins" in country's like Germany or the Netherlands.
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I'm not saying relationships and dating and courting and romance go up, I'm saying boinking in the Taco Bell wrapper laden backseat of a used '86 Camaro goes up.
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You get frisky when the electricity is being disconnected?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'm not saying relationships and dating and courting and romance go up, I'm saying boinking in the Taco Bell wrapper laden backseat of a used '86 Camaro goes up.
Because unemployed people just spontaneously gather and have sex with each-other? I don't get it...
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You get frisky when the electricity is being disconnected?
When the power goes out, the TV and computer don’t work, so why not?
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Depression is kind of a turn-off.
I don't know if this was meant as a flip remark, but I think this really gets to the heart of the issue. Young people who are deeply unhappy, generally speaking, and feel like they don't have a viable future aren't going to be social butterflies. Happy people are friendlier and probably have more sex than people who are languishing without hope.
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Well, sounds like we should start a public service movement to travel to Japan and have sex with girls in their twenties.
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I don't know if this was meant as a flip remark, but I think this really gets to the heart of the issue. Young people who are deeply unhappy, generally speaking, and feel like they don't have a viable future aren't going to be social butterflies. Happy people are friendlier and probably have more sex than people who are languishing without hope.
Was meant perfectly seriously. Depression, and to a lesser extent, immersing yourself in the virtual world are libido killers, that may very well speak to the reasons for the OP.

I also don't think we are a bunch of carefree hippies thumping away while living under an overpass.
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Going on a date with the chance of sex

- vs -

staying home, playing video-games and certainly jerking off if desired


decisions, decisions ....
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Going on a date with the chance of sex

- vs -

staying home, playing video-games and certainly jerking off if desired


decisions, decisions ....
And lets not forget that with pornography one is allowed to be very picky and there's always something for everyone while, even when it's just no-strings-attached casual sex, beggars can't really be choosers. You have guaranteed satisfaction from the safety of your home. Outside it's going to take a little bit more effort and even then there's no guarantee of success.

Some of these people have such absurdly high standards that they would settle for nothing less than a perfect idealized individual that only exists in fiction. It's not hard to see that, at least for some of them, it's a case of sour grapes: beautiful sex partners aren't immediately available for me? Bah! I didn't want them anyways!
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And lets not forget that with pornography one is allowed to be very picky and there's always something for everyone while, even when it's just no-strings-attached casual sex, beggars can't really be choosers. You have guaranteed satisfaction from the safety of your home. Outside it's going to take a little bit more effort and even then there's no guarantee of success.

Some of these people have such absurdly high standards that they would settle for nothing less than a perfect idealized individual that only exists in fiction. It's not hard to see that, at least for some of them, it's a case of sour grapes: beautiful sex partners aren't immediately available for me? Bah! I didn't want them anyways!
There's also a possibility of a sexual faux pas that gets broadcast all over Twitter. If a person is more socially anxious and inexperienced, they may not want to take the chance.
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Going on a date with the chance of sex

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staying home, playing video-games and certainly jerking off if desired


decisions, decisions ....
'Date'? It's the twenty-first century, there are many free apps for hooking up for sex. You don't have to eat meals together, or even leave your house.
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'Date'? It's the twenty-first century, there are many free apps for hooking up for sex. You don't have to eat meals together, or even leave your house.
Such arrangements are a bit of a 'poke and hope'
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Such arrangements are a bit of a 'poke and hope'
I don't know what that means.
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'Date'? It's the twenty-first century, there are many free apps for hooking up for sex. You don't have to eat meals together, or even leave your house.
(if you're attractive)
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(if you're attractive)
It's a universal truth, noted by Aristotle and King Solomon both, that when people are horny they're willing to lower their standards.

At least sane people are. These wacky "incel" boys seem to believe they deserve supermodels. But oddly enough some of the ones who are deeply convinced they're ugly are actually average or better looking. One of the murder-rampage ones was quite attractive even by boringly conventional standards.
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It's a universal truth, noted by Aristotle and King Solomon both, that when people are horny they're willing to lower their standards.
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-l...tandards/n9932
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I would bet that if Godzilla was marching on Tokyo, then the amount of sexual inexperience would diminish quite quickly.

I don't think the population being ****** by the destruction caused by a giant reptile counts as sex.

Oh! You meant that humping would commence before the running! Now I gotcha - I don't agree, but I gotcha.
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A article in the guardian brought up an important factor that i forgot to mention: a reduction of the social pressure to marry and have children.

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Matchmaking (omiai) persisted in Japan through the boom years of the 1980s, when the task shifted from village elders to corporate managers. In the 21st century, modernisation, westernisation, and the collapse of Japan’s economic “bubble” made arranged coupling superfluous.

“[Japanese] society is not as eager to get you married any more,” Ueda says. “It’s increasingly your own responsibility to fend for yourself in the mating market.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-physical-love

During the late 20'th century up to the beginning of the 21'th century a common expression used to describe women who had not married before they were older than 25 years as Christmas cakes, since such cakes aren't eaten after the 25 December. This has lessened obviously, and there's far social pressure to marry.

Those of us who have had older relatives bug them about finding a girlfriend, getting married and such can relate to that. Although they are dying out, some of them still maintain these attitudes to this day. This kind of social pressure is still very strong in countries like China where some people go to such lengths as to hire "pretend boy/girlfriends" just so they can get their parents and relatives to stop bugging them.
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A article in the guardian brought up an important factor that i forgot to mention: a reduction of the social pressure to marry and have children.



https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-physical-love

During the late 20'th century up to the beginning of the 21'th century a common expression used to describe women who had not married before they were older than 25 years as Christmas cakes, since such cakes aren't eaten after the 25 December. This has lessened obviously, and there's far social pressure to marry.

Those of us who have had older relatives bug them about finding a girlfriend, getting married and such can relate to that. Although they are dying out, some of them still maintain these attitudes to this day. This kind of social pressure is still very strong in countries like China where some people go to such lengths as to hire "pretend boy/girlfriends" just so they can get their parents and relatives to stop bugging them.
I have two kids but I do not intend to put any pressure on them to find a boyfriend or girlfriend or settle down and have kids. My wife is another matter, but they don't listen to her anyway. I'm sure she wants grandchildren, but (while I love my kids) I sometimes wish I was childless.
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"OMG we're gonna outbreed the carrying capacity of the planet" has been one of the environmentalist boogeymen for decades.
Are you also a climate change denier?
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A article in the guardian brought up an important factor that i forgot to mention: a reduction of the social pressure to marry and have children.



https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-physical-love

During the late 20'th century up to the beginning of the 21'th century a common expression used to describe women who had not married before they were older than 25 years as Christmas cakes, since such cakes aren't eaten after the 25 December. This has lessened obviously, and there's far social pressure to marry.

Those of us who have had older relatives bug them about finding a girlfriend, getting married and such can relate to that. Although they are dying out, some of them still maintain these attitudes to this day. This kind of social pressure is still very strong in countries like China where some people go to such lengths as to hire "pretend boy/girlfriends" just so they can get their parents and relatives to stop bugging them.
Perhaps some kind of overcompensation against societal pressure.

At least that's the kind of thing I've seen first hand.
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Old 15th April 2019, 08:47 PM   #75
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Are you also a climate change denier?
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I'm pretty sure resource scarcity is as factual as climate change.

Stuff like this:
https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2015/0...dwater-crisis/
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A new study about the state of the world’s aquifers found that 21 of the world’s 37 largest aquifers are overdrawn; 13 have declined so rapidly that they are in critical condition, with the most stressed aquifers found in poor, highly populated areas such as northwest India, Pakistan and North Africa.
Peak oil. Disappearing rain forests. Stuff like that.

Climate change will almost certainly cause food scarcity if not outright famine, and possibly soon, too.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
It's a universal truth, noted by Aristotle and King Solomon both, that when people are horny they're willing to lower their standards.

I don't really think this is relevant. It's not about the standards of the intended hook-up, it's about the confidence of the (usually male) wannabe participant and how good they are at asking the question.

Ask the question in the wrong way and at the wrong time and even the keenest potential partner will get a sudden case of the havetobesomewherelse's.

You are, or certainly appear to be, confident, outgoing, creative and socially empathic enough not to cock up a conversation so badly you want to leave the planet, but not everyone is you.
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Old 17th April 2019, 03:59 PM   #78
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Maybe it has something to do with the way people interact with each other now. Texting vs talking or actually seeing your friends in person. Many younger folk grew up with this. They "see" their friends on Facebook much of the time. Some may have mostly cyberfriends that they never see. I met a kid once who actually says "LOL" out loud when he thinks something is funny.

Ever see kids playing outside in their front yards, or anywhere? Not like we did a few decades ago. It's practically a thing of the past. When I was a kid we were told, "Go outside, get out of the house".

Now it's the opposite. Child protective services have been called on parents for letting their kids walk to school.

Humans have lived through much more difficult times than this and we somehow procreated enough to get us where we are now. I don't believe that money has much to do with a drop in sexual relations.

I think there is something drastically different about these younger people of today. It's the way they were raised.

I look at things like overprotective parenting, kids not growing up interacting and playing like we did several decades ago. Social media and the internet in general. Smart phones. Not having a job or real responsibilities at a young age.

Take the Gillette commercial for instance: a woman walks by on a sidewalk, a man turns his head and checks her out, then another man tells him, "Hey, not cool bro!" Since when is that "not cool"? Well that's what people are being taught.

People are being told more and more how easy it is to offend other people. I almost don't want to hold doors open for people anymore, especially women. I've actually had one complain to me about it as I held the door. Next week, same door (a bank), a woman thanked me and said, "Nice to see there are still gentlemen in the world" She was very old, the complainer was maybe 40. Geez people get over yourselves.

We are told you can't tell a woman she's pretty (you better be damn careful!), you can't whistle or even look at them (Gillette ad), you can't be alone with one for fear she may accuse you of sexual harassment or worse. If you do the wrong thing, or someone accuses you of such, you might be shamed on social media, or worse.

That's what we see in the news today, people behaving badly. People accusing people of behaving badly. And remember, you're on camera!

I would hate to grow up in todays world, it's bad enough as an adult. It's no wonder we have a bunch of sexless, socially inept people who are now also crying for socialist ideals. We've raised a bunch of screwed up babies that don't understand personal responsibility.

I think part of the answer lies somewhere in there but I'd need a lot more time to really sort it all out.

tl;dr

It has little to do with money. People are being raised in a socially dysfunctional society. Just trying that phrase on for size.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Ever see kids playing outside in their front yards, or anywhere? Not like we did a few decades ago. It's practically a thing of the past. When I was a kid we were told, "Go outside, get out of the house".

Now it's the opposite. Child protective services have been called on parents for letting their kids walk to school.

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A few weeks ago, a video came out from a programme in Australia about a day in the life of a forest kindergarten in Skive in northern Denmark (see it below). It was so shocking for so many around the world that the story went viral.
In the video, children can be seen playing outside in freezing and raining weather, climbing extremely tall trees with no safety net and wading through mud puddles near open water. They are seen rolling down steep, wet, tree dotted hills and whittling sticks with real knives.
For a foreign onlooker, these scenes can conjure up the urge to dial child services
. To a Dane, however, this is a rather normal setting for the stage of life growing up in Denmark.
What's the deal with those 'wild' Danish kids? (The Local, March 31, 2016)

It's probably much the same in the rest of Scandinavia as well.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
I met a kid once who actually says "LOL" out loud when he thinks something is funny.
I say "LOL" out loud when I think something's funny, and I'm only 49 and a half.
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