Ivana Trump has died - Page 3

Regnad Kcin · 2nd August 2022, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

FTFY -I think we were up to about 12 at last count....

So…a mass grave?

Bob001 · 2nd August 2022, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Not clear on how this is entirely a tax dodge if the property is in fact deed restricted for no other purpose but carcass internment. I mean, you buy the property and now can't do anything else with it. Unless it is intended as a space saver tax shelter? As in, the property is tax free while theoretically dedicated to cemetery use, then rezone it for luxury condos, thus losing the tax liability while it is in the holding pattern?

It's a golf course. Trump set aside a small part so he could claim a cemetery tax deduction.

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The former president has shown little interest in conventional post-presidency pursuits, such as building a presidential library; he’s not much for reading, and he’s trying to hide his presidential papers, not display them. But why would he bury himself in, of all things, the interment trade?

Simple: He has seemingly turned his late ex-wife (and his oldest kids have turned their late mother) into a tax dodge. Dartmouth professor Brooke Harrington, a specialist in tax optimization, checked the New Jersey tax code and reported that operating a cemetery at the Trump National offers “a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated.” She tweeted that it “looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...x-break-grift/

shemp · 3rd August 2022, 07:50 AM

There must be laws in NJ regarding what one can and cannot do with a cemetery property. So let him have his tax exemptions. Then tell him that, as a result, all of the licenses he needs to operate his country club (occupation, entertainment, food, beverage, etc.) have been revoked. Watch how fast Ivana's remains get moved off the property.

Thermal · 3rd August 2022, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

It's a golf course. Trump set aside a small part so he could claim a cemetery tax deduction.

Hm? Yes, I know. We just went over all that on the last page.

The golf course does not become tax free. As golf courses are rather large, and private burial sites rather small, only a pittance in property tax is saved. And it is, after all, now a grave site which can't be used for anything else.

The income and other taxes apply to the private cemetery company. Again, nickels. The biggest income tax savings looks to be the couple bucks for some guy to mow the grass.

My point is that this is being framed as some tax scheme. Looks like as petty a tax dodge as you can get, especially on Trump's scale. And this likely will be the ex-Pres' final resting place too, as well as for the rest of his family. Hope they call it "The Trumpster".

It was battered around that Trump weasels were looking into getting it zoned for 1000 or so gravesites. That was likely a more substantial and nefarious tax dodge attempt, which evidently fizzled out. But now that the first close Trumper is actually buried there, it's likely that this is actually where he plans to build his no doubt gaudy eyesore of a mausoleum for himself, and little rinky-dink plots for everyone else entombed there, so he can show the rest of the world for eternity what an insufferable douche he was.

Bob001 · 3rd August 2022, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Hm? Yes, I know. We just went over all that on the last page.

The golf course does not become tax free. As golf courses are rather large, and private burial sites rather small, only a pittance in property tax is saved. And it is, after all, now a grave site which can't be used for anything else.
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Do you know that? The implication of the press reports is that the tax breaks apply to the entire property. You can get a tax break for maintaining farm land even if you're not farming on most, or any, of it.

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“As a tax researcher, I was skeptical of rumors Trump buried his ex-wife in that sad little plot of dirt on his Bedminster, NJ golf course just for tax breaks.” Dartmouth sociology professor Brooke Harrington, who wrote a book about how the 1 percent avoids paying taxes, tweeted on Saturday. “So I checked the NJ tax code & folks…it’s a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated.” She noted that, according to state rules, there is “No stipulation regarding a minimum # of human remains necessary for the tax breaks to kick in--looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022...ery-tax-breaks

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Under New Jersey state tax code, any land that is dedicated to cemetery purposes is exempt from all taxes, rates, and assessments. Cemetery companies are also specifically exempt from paying any real-estate taxes, rates, and assessments or personal property taxes on their lands, as well as business taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, and inheritance taxes.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ivan...x-break-2022-7

Trump is known to have used every kind of tax scam he could find all his life. Why should this be different?

ZiprHead · 3rd August 2022, 04:08 PM

If your ball lands on the grave are you penalized a stroke?

Mike! · 3rd August 2022, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

If your ball lands on her grave do you get a free drop or is it a 2 stroke penalty?

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

If your balls have dropped you get a free stroke.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I'm all for as many free strokes and Trump can get!

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

If your ball lands on the grave are you penalized a stroke?

Do try to keep up.

slyjoe · 3rd August 2022, 04:45 PM

Cemetery plots should be marked OB. Stroke AND distance penalty.

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

If your ball lands on the grave are you penalized a stroke?

Trump will just pick it up and throw it back onto the green and declare it's where it actually landed.

Spyke · 3rd August 2022, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"Burying your ex wife on your privately owned golf course to get tax breaks."

*Satan, rapidly shuffling and flipping through folders on his desk* "I... I don't even have a form for that."

Originally Posted by Spyke

I had two strokes on Thursday, still in hospital, and this made me laugh so hard. Thanks Joe!

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Yikes Spyke - take care.

Originally Posted by shemp

Jeez, good luck and get well soon!

Thank you, I appreciate that.

I gotta say that all the golf related stroke jokes are killer stuff.

Serious question, do the tax breaks apply to the entire course, or just to the land set aside for the cemetery?

Thermal · 3rd August 2022, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Do you know that?

Well yeah, because duh.

Quote:

The implication of the press reports is that the tax breaks apply to the entire property. You can get a tax break for maintaining farm land even if you're not farming on most, or any, of it.

Trump is known to have used every kind of tax scam he could find all his life. Why should this be different?

Because if there was a scandalous dollar amount attached to it, then the "tax researcher" who publicized the tweet would have shown some numbers instead of vague allusions. Dunno about you, but when claimed experts get wishy washy, my BS meter goes off.

Originally Posted by Spyke

Serious question, do the tax breaks apply to the entire course, or just to the land set aside for the cemetery?

It is widely reported by Newsweek and others that the tax exemption applies solely to the 5700 foot parcel dedicated to internment on the side of the golf course.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nt/ar-AA10gzNy

Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time.

Serious query for my fellow skeptics: did any of you think he got cemetary approvals in freaking NJ within two freaking days of Ivana dying to hatch this zany tax scam? Come on guys. It was 8 years ago. Ivana was just the first to go under in the 10 corpse, 5700 sq ft private burial plot.

Eta: And 5700 lousy feet? Trump has bathrooms bigger than that.

Also, the tax exemption doesn't kick in till there are actual people buried in it. Oh, and you have to demonstrate a rather large secured maintenance trust to the board of cemeteries dudes, which is more cash tied up that he can't touch. If this was a money hustle, it sucked big time.

rdaneel · 3rd August 2022, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Well yeah, because duh.

Because if there was a scandalous dollar amount attached to it, then the "tax researcher" who publicized the tweet would have shown some numbers instead of vague allusions. Dunno about you, but when claimed experts get wishy washy, my BS meter goes off.

It is widely reported by Newsweek and others that the tax exemption applies solely to the 5700 foot parcel dedicated to internment on the side of the golf course.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nt/ar-AA10gzNy

Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time.

Serious query for my fellow skeptics: did any of you think he got cemetary approvals in freaking NJ within two freaking days of Ivana dying to hatch this zany tax scam? Come on guys. It was 8 years ago. Ivana was just the first to go under in the 10 corpse, 5700 sq ft private burial plot.

Eta: And 5700 lousy feet? Trump has bathrooms bigger than that.

Also, the tax exemption doesn't kick in till there are actual people buried in it. Oh, and you have to demonstrate a rather large secured maintenance trust to the board of cemeteries dudes, which is more cash tied up that he can't touch. If this was a money hustle, it sucked big time.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump cares more about how clever this scheme makes him feel than how the math actually adds up. He doesn't care if it actually costs more than the taxes, he just enjoys the idea of screwing the taxman.

While typing this, I just thought of a "Married with Children" gag about Peg "selling" cosmetics by just buying all her stock, then being pleased with the check they send her. The fact that she's spending more than the checks she gets back doesn't even compute with her.

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 11:44 PM

"Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time."

Too bad he wasn't.

alfaniner · 4th August 2022, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

"Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time."

Too bad he wasn't.

With him buried there, there'd only be room for about 8 more.

(Yes, that's a nasty "fat" joke.)

Dr. Keith · 5th August 2022, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Well yeah, because duh.

Because if there was a scandalous dollar amount attached to it, then the "tax researcher" who publicized the tweet would have shown some numbers instead of vague allusions. Dunno about you, but when claimed experts get wishy washy, my BS meter goes off.

It is widely reported by Newsweek and others that the tax exemption applies solely to the 5700 foot parcel dedicated to internment on the side of the golf course.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nt/ar-AA10gzNy

Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time.

Serious query for my fellow skeptics: did any of you think he got cemetary approvals in freaking NJ within two freaking days of Ivana dying to hatch this zany tax scam? Come on guys. It was 8 years ago. Ivana was just the first to go under in the 10 corpse, 5700 sq ft private burial plot.

Eta: And 5700 lousy feet? Trump has bathrooms bigger than that.

Also, the tax exemption doesn't kick in till there are actual people buried in it. Oh, and you have to demonstrate a rather large secured maintenance trust to the board of cemeteries dudes, which is more cash tied up that he can't touch. If this was a money hustle, it sucked big time.

How complex. In Texas you just put a small fence up and drop a body within the fence and you can call it a cemetery. At least for a family plot. Then you just make your argument to the tax man that the land is not taxable.

I’m sure a commercial cemetery would be a bit different.

And 5700 sqft does seem cramped for the orange one. That’s only 75x75. It’s been a couple of years, but I think ours is at least that large. If you do modest graves like he did for the ex-wife, you could get quite a few in there. But that’s not what I would think he’s planning for himself.

Armitage72 · 5th August 2022, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

And 5700 sqft does seem cramped for the orange one. That’s only 75x75. It’s been a couple of years, but I think ours is at least that large. If you do modest graves like he did for the ex-wife, you could get quite a few in there. But that’s not what I would think he’s planning for himself.

There was already one Trump Taj Mahal, I wouldn't be surprised if he's planning another. Assuming he knows that the original Taj Mahal is a mausoleum and not just a fancy looking building.

slyjoe · 5th August 2022, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

There was already one Trump Taj Mahal, I wouldn't be surprised if he's planning another. Assuming he knows that the original Taj Mahal is a mausoleum and not just a fancy looking building.

That's a huge assumption. I would bet he thinks the Taj Mahal is a palace.

Thermal · 5th August 2022, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

How complex. In Texas you just put a small fence up and drop a body within the fence and you can call it a cemetery. At least for a family plot. Then you just make your argument to the tax man that the land is not taxable.

I’m sure a commercial cemetery would be a bit different.

And 5700 sqft does seem cramped for the orange one. That’s only 75x75. It’s been a couple of years, but I think ours is at least that large. If you do modest graves like he did for the ex-wife, you could get quite a few in there. But that’s not what I would think he’s planning for himself.

Surprisingly, not really in Jersey. Private plots have no special treatments. They have to set up the cemetary company, just like a public entity, and pony up the maintenance fund and all that. This whole gig certainly racks up far more up front cash costs than can be tax evaded for many many years.

JoeMorgue · 5th August 2022, 01:00 PM

Here's the thing.

Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD.

Stacyhs · 5th August 2022, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Here's the thing.

Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD.

You don't think Trump and his family would be buried among the common folk, do ya?

I picture a version of this:

Mike! · 5th August 2022, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

You don't think Trump and his family would be buried among the common folk, do ya?

I picture a version of this:

That's just silly, Trump would never go for anything like that.
Paint it all gold and you might be somewhat closer though.

slyjoe · 5th August 2022, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

That's just silly, Trump would never go for anything like that.
Paint it all gold and you might be somewhat closer though.

And it needs more presidential seals plastered all over it.

Trebuchet · 5th August 2022, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

There was already one Trump Taj Mahal, I wouldn't be surprised if he's planning another. Assuming he knows that the original Taj Mahal is a mausoleum and not just a fancy looking building.

Which looks like a mosque, complete with minarets. But hey, not all murderous Muslims are bad, especially the ones that pay millions to use his golf course.

Besides, he's not going to die. Or if he does, he'll be back in three days. Just ask most of his supporters.

Stacyhs · 5th August 2022, 03:58 PM

Trump certainly proves the adage that only the good die young.

ZiprHead · 5th August 2022, 04:09 PM

one more?

"It's in the hole!"

RecoveringYuppy · 5th August 2022, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Here's the thing.

Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD.

She probably wasn't thinking of it as a golf course. It's expected to be the family burial plot. She has three kids she might rightfully be expecting to be buried there.

Thermal · 5th August 2022, 04:44 PM

Oh, I get it. This is the ex wife burial golf course. For those bitches who were sub par. Maybe Melania gets laid to rest at the Mar-A-Largo Mauseleum and Night Club?

Gord_in_Toronto · 5th August 2022, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Here's the thing.

Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD.

I was wondering that myself. Did Ivana get to choose and by what authority did T get to?

Babbylonian · 5th August 2022, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

I was wondering that myself. Did Ivana get to choose and by what authority did T get to?

It probably wasn't Donald. Her children would have made the decision unless Ivana made a specific request in her will.

Gord_in_Toronto · 6th August 2022, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

It probably wasn't Donald. Her children would have made the decision unless Ivana made a specific request in her will.

But we don't actually know. And, truly, I suppose it is none of our business.

2nd August 2022, 07:52 PM	#81
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,630	Originally Posted by Darat FTFY -I think we were up to about 12 at last count.... So…a mass grave?
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3rd August 2022, 07:50 AM	#83
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 49,400	There must be laws in NJ regarding what one can and cannot do with a cemetery property. So let him have his tax exemptions. Then tell him that, as a result, all of the licenses he needs to operate his country club (occupation, entertainment, food, beverage, etc.) have been revoked. Watch how fast Ivana's remains get moved off the property.
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3rd August 2022, 08:53 AM	#84
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 19,502	Originally Posted by Bob001 It's a golf course. Trump set aside a small part so he could claim a cemetery tax deduction. Hm? Yes, I know. We just went over all that on the last page. The golf course does not become tax free. As golf courses are rather large, and private burial sites rather small, only a pittance in property tax is saved. And it is, after all, now a grave site which can't be used for anything else. The income and other taxes apply to the private cemetery company. Again, nickels. The biggest income tax savings looks to be the couple bucks for some guy to mow the grass. My point is that this is being framed as some tax scheme. Looks like as petty a tax dodge as you can get, especially on Trump's scale. And this likely will be the ex-Pres' final resting place too, as well as for the rest of his family. Hope they call it "The Trumpster". It was battered around that Trump weasels were looking into getting it zoned for 1000 or so gravesites. That was likely a more substantial and nefarious tax dodge attempt, which evidently fizzled out. But now that the first close Trumper is actually buried there, it's likely that this is actually where he plans to build his no doubt gaudy eyesore of a mausoleum for himself, and little rinky-dink plots for everyone else entombed there, so he can show the rest of the world for eternity what an insufferable douche he was.
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2nd August 2022, 08:32 PM	#82
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,621	Originally Posted by Thermal Not clear on how this is entirely a tax dodge if the property is in fact deed restricted for no other purpose but carcass internment. I mean, you buy the property and now can't do anything else with it. Unless it is intended as a space saver tax shelter? As in, the property is tax free while theoretically dedicated to cemetery use, then rezone it for luxury condos, thus losing the tax liability while it is in the holding pattern? It's a golf course. Trump set aside a small part so he could claim a cemetery tax deduction. Quote: The former president has shown little interest in conventional post-presidency pursuits, such as building a presidential library; he’s not much for reading, and he’s trying to hide his presidential papers, not display them. But why would he bury himself in, of all things, the interment trade? Simple: He has seemingly turned his late ex-wife (and his oldest kids have turned their late mother) into a tax dodge. Dartmouth professor Brooke Harrington, a specialist in tax optimization, checked the New Jersey tax code and reported that operating a cemetery at the Trump National offers “a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated.” She tweeted that it “looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...x-break-grift/

3rd August 2022, 11:43 AM	#85
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,621	Originally Posted by Thermal Hm? Yes, I know. We just went over all that on the last page. The golf course does not become tax free. As golf courses are rather large, and private burial sites rather small, only a pittance in property tax is saved. And it is, after all, now a grave site which can't be used for anything else. ..... Do you know that? The implication of the press reports is that the tax breaks apply to the entire property. You can get a tax break for maintaining farm land even if you're not farming on most, or any, of it. Quote: “As a tax researcher, I was skeptical of rumors Trump buried his ex-wife in that sad little plot of dirt on his Bedminster, NJ golf course just for tax breaks.” Dartmouth sociology professor Brooke Harrington, who wrote a book about how the 1 percent avoids paying taxes, tweeted on Saturday. “So I checked the NJ tax code & folks…it’s a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated.” She noted that, according to state rules, there is “No stipulation regarding a minimum # of human remains necessary for the tax breaks to kick in--looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022...ery-tax-breaks Quote: Under New Jersey state tax code, any land that is dedicated to cemetery purposes is exempt from all taxes, rates, and assessments. Cemetery companies are also specifically exempt from paying any real-estate taxes, rates, and assessments or personal property taxes on their lands, as well as business taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, and inheritance taxes. https://www.businessinsider.com/ivan...x-break-2022-7 Trump is known to have used every kind of tax scam he could find all his life. Why should this be different?

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slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,240	Cemetery plots should be marked OB. Stroke AND distance penalty.
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Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,936	Originally Posted by ZiprHead If your ball lands on the grave are you penalized a stroke? Trump will just pick it up and throw it back onto the green and declare it's where it actually landed.

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Spyke Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 444	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue "Burying your ex wife on your privately owned golf course to get tax breaks." Satan, rapidly shuffling and flipping through folders on his desk "I... I don't even have a form for that." Originally Posted by Spyke I had two strokes on Thursday, still in hospital, and this made me laugh so hard. Thanks Joe! Originally Posted by slyjoe Yikes Spyke - take care. Originally Posted by shemp Jeez, good luck and get well soon! Thank you, I appreciate that. I gotta say that all the golf related stroke jokes are killer stuff. Serious question, do the tax breaks apply to the entire course, or just to the land set aside for the cemetery?
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Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 19,502	Originally Posted by Bob001 Do you know that? Well yeah, because duh. Quote: The implication of the press reports is that the tax breaks apply to the entire property. You can get a tax break for maintaining farm land even if you're not farming on most, or any, of it. Trump is known to have used every kind of tax scam he could find all his life. Why should this be different? Because if there was a scandalous dollar amount attached to it, then the "tax researcher" who publicized the tweet would have shown some numbers instead of vague allusions. Dunno about you, but when claimed experts get wishy washy, my BS meter goes off. Originally Posted by Spyke Serious question, do the tax breaks apply to the entire course, or just to the land set aside for the cemetery? It is widely reported by Newsweek and others that the tax exemption applies solely to the 5700 foot parcel dedicated to internment on the side of the golf course. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nt/ar-AA10gzNy Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time. Serious query for my fellow skeptics: did any of you think he got cemetary approvals in freaking NJ within two freaking days of Ivana dying to hatch this zany tax scam? Come on guys. It was 8 years ago. Ivana was just the first to go under in the 10 corpse, 5700 sq ft private burial plot. Eta: And 5700 lousy feet? Trump has bathrooms bigger than that. Also, the tax exemption doesn't kick in till there are actual people buried in it. Oh, and you have to demonstrate a rather large secured maintenance trust to the board of cemeteries dudes, which is more cash tied up that he can't touch. If this was a money hustle, it sucked big time.
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rdaneel Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I'M IN THE PHONEBOOK! I'M SOMEBODY!!! Posts: 4,498	Originally Posted by Thermal Well yeah, because duh. Because if there was a scandalous dollar amount attached to it, then the "tax researcher" who publicized the tweet would have shown some numbers instead of vague allusions. Dunno about you, but when claimed experts get wishy washy, my BS meter goes off. It is widely reported by Newsweek and others that the tax exemption applies solely to the 5700 foot parcel dedicated to internment on the side of the golf course. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nt/ar-AA10gzNy Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time. Serious query for my fellow skeptics: did any of you think he got cemetary approvals in freaking NJ within two freaking days of Ivana dying to hatch this zany tax scam? Come on guys. It was 8 years ago. Ivana was just the first to go under in the 10 corpse, 5700 sq ft private burial plot. Eta: And 5700 lousy feet? Trump has bathrooms bigger than that. Also, the tax exemption doesn't kick in till there are actual people buried in it. Oh, and you have to demonstrate a rather large secured maintenance trust to the board of cemeteries dudes, which is more cash tied up that he can't touch. If this was a money hustle, it sucked big time. You know, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump cares more about how clever this scheme makes him feel than how the math actually adds up. He doesn't care if it actually costs more than the taxes, he just enjoys the idea of screwing the taxman. While typing this, I just thought of a "Married with Children" gag about Peg "selling" cosmetics by just buying all her stock, then being pleased with the check they send her. The fact that she's spending more than the checks she gets back doesn't even compute with her.
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Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,936	"Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time." Too bad he wasn't.

4th August 2022, 07:28 AM	#94
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 26,836	Originally Posted by Stacyhs "Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time." Too bad he wasn't. With him buried there, there'd only be room for about 8 more. (Yes, that's a nasty "fat" joke.)
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5th August 2022, 05:09 AM	#95
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 25,180	Originally Posted by Thermal Well yeah, because duh. Because if there was a scandalous dollar amount attached to it, then the "tax researcher" who publicized the tweet would have shown some numbers instead of vague allusions. Dunno about you, but when claimed experts get wishy washy, my BS meter goes off. It is widely reported by Newsweek and others that the tax exemption applies solely to the 5700 foot parcel dedicated to internment on the side of the golf course. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nt/ar-AA10gzNy Trump had this set aside as a 10 person cemetary in 2016. He could have been the first occupant for all he knew at the time. Serious query for my fellow skeptics: did any of you think he got cemetary approvals in freaking NJ within two freaking days of Ivana dying to hatch this zany tax scam? Come on guys. It was 8 years ago. Ivana was just the first to go under in the 10 corpse, 5700 sq ft private burial plot. Eta: And 5700 lousy feet? Trump has bathrooms bigger than that. Also, the tax exemption doesn't kick in till there are actual people buried in it. Oh, and you have to demonstrate a rather large secured maintenance trust to the board of cemeteries dudes, which is more cash tied up that he can't touch. If this was a money hustle, it sucked big time. How complex. In Texas you just put a small fence up and drop a body within the fence and you can call it a cemetery. At least for a family plot. Then you just make your argument to the tax man that the land is not taxable. I’m sure a commercial cemetery would be a bit different. And 5700 sqft does seem cramped for the orange one. That’s only 75x75. It’s been a couple of years, but I think ours is at least that large. If you do modest graves like he did for the ex-wife, you could get quite a few in there. But that’s not what I would think he’s planning for himself.
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5th August 2022, 05:24 AM	#96
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,169	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith And 5700 sqft does seem cramped for the orange one. That’s only 75x75. It’s been a couple of years, but I think ours is at least that large. If you do modest graves like he did for the ex-wife, you could get quite a few in there. But that’s not what I would think he’s planning for himself. There was already one Trump Taj Mahal, I wouldn't be surprised if he's planning another. Assuming he knows that the original Taj Mahal is a mausoleum and not just a fancy looking building.

5th August 2022, 07:32 AM	#97
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,240	Originally Posted by Armitage72 There was already one Trump Taj Mahal, I wouldn't be surprised if he's planning another. Assuming he knows that the original Taj Mahal is a mausoleum and not just a fancy looking building. That's a huge assumption. I would bet he thinks the Taj Mahal is a palace.
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5th August 2022, 12:58 PM	#98
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 19,502	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith How complex. In Texas you just put a small fence up and drop a body within the fence and you can call it a cemetery. At least for a family plot. Then you just make your argument to the tax man that the land is not taxable. I’m sure a commercial cemetery would be a bit different. And 5700 sqft does seem cramped for the orange one. That’s only 75x75. It’s been a couple of years, but I think ours is at least that large. If you do modest graves like he did for the ex-wife, you could get quite a few in there. But that’s not what I would think he’s planning for himself. Surprisingly, not really in Jersey. Private plots have no special treatments. They have to set up the cemetary company, just like a public entity, and pony up the maintenance fund and all that. This whole gig certainly racks up far more up front cash costs than can be tax evaded for many many years.
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5th August 2022, 01:00 PM	#99
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 40,589	Here's the thing. Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD.
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5th August 2022, 01:16 PM	#100
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,936	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Here's the thing. Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD. You don't think Trump and his family would be buried among the common folk, do ya? I picture a version of this:

5th August 2022, 02:15 PM	#101
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 46,496	Originally Posted by Stacyhs You don't think Trump and his family would be buried among the common folk, do ya? I picture a version of this: That's just silly, Trump would never go for anything like that. Paint it all gold and you might be somewhat closer though.
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5th August 2022, 03:36 PM	#102
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,240	Originally Posted by Mike! That's just silly, Trump would never go for anything like that. Paint it all gold and you might be somewhat closer though. And it needs more presidential seals plastered all over it.
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5th August 2022, 03:54 PM	#103
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,403	Originally Posted by Armitage72 There was already one Trump Taj Mahal, I wouldn't be surprised if he's planning another. Assuming he knows that the original Taj Mahal is a mausoleum and not just a fancy looking building. Which looks like a mosque, complete with minarets. But hey, not all murderous Muslims are bad, especially the ones that pay millions to use his golf course. Besides, he's not going to die. Or if he does, he'll be back in three days. Just ask most of his supporters.
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5th August 2022, 03:58 PM	#104
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,936	Trump certainly proves the adage that only the good die young.

5th August 2022, 04:09 PM	#105
ZiprHead Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sag-Nasty Posts: 679	one more? "It's in the hole!"
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5th August 2022, 04:41 PM	#106
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13,538	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Here's the thing. Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD. She probably wasn't thinking of it as a golf course. It's expected to be the family burial plot. She has three kids she might rightfully be expecting to be buried there.

5th August 2022, 04:44 PM	#107
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 19,502	Oh, I get it. This is the ex wife burial golf course. For those bitches who were sub par. Maybe Melania gets laid to rest at the Mar-A-Largo Mauseleum and Night Club?
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5th August 2022, 09:04 PM	#108
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 22,677	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Here's the thing. Either Trump got to decide where his ex-wife got buried or Ivana wanted to be buried on Trump's golf course, either of which are SO FLIPPIN' WEIRD. I was wondering that myself. Did Ivana get to choose and by what authority did T get to?
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5th August 2022, 10:03 PM	#109
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,939	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto I was wondering that myself. Did Ivana get to choose and by what authority did T get to? It probably wasn't Donald. Her children would have made the decision unless Ivana made a specific request in her will.

6th August 2022, 06:49 AM	#110
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 22,677	Originally Posted by Babbylonian It probably wasn't Donald. Her children would have made the decision unless Ivana made a specific request in her will. But we don't actually know. And, truly, I suppose it is none of our business.
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