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Old 30th June 2020, 02:46 PM   #3561
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Exclamation "...D.Scott’s paper has trumped the ignorance of the mainstream" lies and insult

"I see hostility towards D.Scott’s paper has trumped the ignorance of the mainstream" lies and insult.

The mainstream is not ignorant. Mainstream scientists such as tusenfem spend many years learning and applying science.

The mainstream does not know that "D.Scott’s paper" exists ! You are presumably continuing your blind worship of Birkeland Currents: A Force-Free Field-Aligned Model
  • It was published in Progress in Physics.
    This is a non-mainstream and obscure journal that publishes rubbish such as "The Interpretation of the Hubble-Effect and of Human Vision Based on the Differentiated Structure of Space".
  • Scott's paper looks to have been never cited since 2015.
  • Posters who have looked at it conclude that it is obviously wrong.
  • If it were correct then it is a trivial, irrelevant paper.
    It has nothing to so with his cult's electric comet or electric sun.
  • Anyone who reads Scott's paper sees it was written by a crackpot when they get to the end.
    Saturn’s north pole and its hexagonal feature is weather!
    Saturn’s atmosphere is not plasma.
    He has a "I see bunnies in the clouds" fantasy or the classic “quacks like a duck” fallacy. He imagines the M2-9 Hourglass planetary nebula is caused by a z-pinch because he sees a pinch in its image. 5 minutes of research, reading Wikipedia or actually learning astrophysics would have debunked that. His fantasy requires plasma to flow through the "z-pinch". Doppler measurements show plasma flowing away from the red giant and smaller star binary at the nebula center. That is what any astrophysicist expects for the red giant formed at the end of a star's lifetime. It is possible that the Sun will do the same. See Known Unknowns by Brian Koberlein 30 January 2015.
It is a lie that there is hostility toward that paper.

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Old 30th June 2020, 03:47 PM   #3562
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
I think one of the problems is that the rest of the world does science with mathematics based upon observed results, whereas Sol88 does his science with emojis based upon the opposite of what is observed.

The fact that the rest of the world is able to produce workable results whereas he is not is just proof everyone is out to 'hide the truth'.

As you can see in tusenfem’s post, no maths but we get the concept.

Plain English...

The problem with math is SISO.
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Let's talk about sex discharges baby

Merriam-Webster:
Discharge (Verb)
dis·charge | \ dis-ˈchärj , ˈdis-ˌchärj \
discharged; discharging; discharges
Definition of discharge (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
1.c. electrical engineering : to release electrical energy from (something, such as a battery or capacitor) by a discharge (see DISCHARGE entry 2 sense 9b) // discharging electricity from a battery
9.a. physics : the equalization of a difference of electric potential (see POTENTIAL entry 2 sense 2c) between two points
9.b. energy engineering : the conversion of the chemical energy of a battery into electrical energy

Technically, an object loosing charge is discharging, just as a battery is discharging when we put it into a flashlight and switch it on. After a certain time the charge difference between the + and – of the battery will be gone, and the battery is fully discharged. Often this kind of discharging is necessary, for example if you look at people working in electronics, you will often see that they are wearing a bracelet with a cable connected to a ground. This bracelet, in order not to damage the sensitive electronics by an uncontrolled discharge spark, will syphon off any static electrical charge that the person has built up. This all happens with a flow of charge, electrons in this case, and a net current given by the number of electrons that pass through a certain surface per second. One Ampère is one Coulomb per second, and one Coulomb is equal to around 6E18 electrons.

Now discharging does not need to be nice and gradual, like in the two examples above. Everybody has experience with “sudden” or “explosive” discharging. When the weather is nice and dry (i.e. very little humidity) then it is easy to get an electrostatic charge on your body. Touch someone (or something connected to ground) and a spark will jump over from your body to the other person, leaving you both “shocked” and with a painful reminder that electricity is a real thing.

Now, what is causing this painful spark? As we all know, air is, luckily, a very bad conductor as there are only very few charged particles (otherwise life would be living hell with all the above Earth electricity lines). This leads to the fair weather electric field, which reaches up to 100 V/m at the surface of the Earth. Usually there is a picoAmpère per square meter (pico = 1E-12) current flowing in the atmosphere, because of the low number of atmospheric ions in the air.

However, if differently charged objects come close together, then the electric field between them becomes very large (proportional to the charge and inversely proportional to the distance). When the field gets too large then something happens to the non-conducting material between the two bodies, it has an electrical or dielectric breakdown. The outer electrons of the insulating material are ripped out of their shell, because of the intense electric field, and suddenly the insulator becomes highly conductive. This leads to an explosive release of the excess charge from one object to the other (your and your best friend’s lips as an example). After the spark, the insulator returns to normality. To give an example, the dielectric strength of air is about 3 MV/m.

The most prominent of discharges are, of course, lightning bolts (from Thor or Zeus if you like), where thunder clouds get charged so much that they can break the insulating air over kilometers and then discharge with currents of tens of kiloAmpères, with a maxima up to over 100 kA.
These sparks or explosive discharges are painful, magnificent, and highly dependent on the presence of an insulator between the two differently charged objects.

But what now if there is no insulator between the two objects, but a well conducting material? Let’s take two metal balls connected by a metal wire. One ball we connect to a Vandergraaf generator and start to charge is. Naturally, the charge will also flow to the other ball, through the wire, and both balls will, in the end, have the same charge.
However, let us turn to the topic that is dealt with in this thread. What happens when we put an object in a plasma? The first step is easy; we put an extra charge in a warm neutral plasma. I will not go through the math, because it is basic, the positive and negative charges of the plasma re-arrange themselves in such a way that the electric influence of the extra charge is shielded off, and you get the well know Debye length/sphere:

[img]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?
\lambda_D = \sqrt{ \frac{\epsilon_0 k T}{n e^2} }
[/img]

So far, so good. But when a “foreign” body is entered into the plasma, things become more complicated. Let us take a dust particle in a warm, quasi-neutral, space plasma. The dust particle will be experiencing various interactions that will charge it. To take a nice sketch from my colleague Christoph, we can see what happens: 1) The solar radiation will ionize the surface of the dust particle; 2) the plasma electrons and ions will also interact with the dust particle. Thus, in the end the particle gets charged. To quote:



[img]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?
\frad{dq}{dt} = \Sum_{k=1}^{N} I_k
[/img]

Depending on the density and the temperature, the dust particle will get a certain charge. For those who would like to get all the gory details, I would advise to take a look at Goertz (1989) Dusty plasma in the solar system. However, in the end, in the “simple” view the currents balance out around a surface potential value of the dust particle of (Spitzer 1978):

[img]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?
\phi = -2.51 k T / e,
[/img]

and it is not surprising, of course, that this final value is basically dependent on the thermal energy of the plasma. The particle is then in equilibrium with its surroundings.

With a larger object, like a cometary nucleus, things are a bit more complicated. Because these things are non-conducting, any charge that is created on the surface “sticks” (unlike a conducting body in which the added charges try to move as far away as possible from each other, giving a homogenous charge density) and the sun facing side can be charged positively and the anti-sun facing side can become positive. Fortunately, there is a nice paper exactly about this by Tom Andre Norheim (2015) Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity, that looked at what happens at a low activity comet at 3.5 AU. There we find that at the subsolar point a potential of ~+6 V is expected, whereas at the night side the potential can go up to -400 V in certain small regions but when moving towards the centre of the wake this quickly drops down and goes to a positive potential.

And that is enough for today.
Thank you for your time to post the above.

I assume we can use the post as a basis for jonesdave116 lack of education on what a discharge is, especially in relation to comets.

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Old 30th June 2020, 04:20 PM   #3564
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Thank you for your time to post the above.

I assume we can use the post as a basis for jonesdave116 lack of education on what a discharge is, especially in relation to comets.

I do not need an education, you utter clown. There are no discharges. Fact. Show me the discharges in the data. How many times have I asked now? They didn't happen, woo boy. EDM! Lol. Go on, show us this EDM. Where is it? Would you like me to quote what the idiot Thornhill says about these discharges?
Your woo was a total failure. Get over it.
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Old 30th June 2020, 04:23 PM   #3565
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
As you can see in tusenfem’s post, no maths but we get the concept.

Plain English...

The problem with math is SISO.
No the problem is not with the maths, it is with people who cannot understand it. Like you. Which gives you a massive inferiority complex, and an equally massive chip on your shoulder. Get over it. Buy an abacus.
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So, for avoidance of doubt, here is what the Grand Poobah of the Electric Idiots says re discharges at a comet;

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Comets follow their elongated paths within a weak electrical field centered
on the Sun. In approaching the Sun, a charge imbalance develops between
the nucleus and the higher voltage and charge density near the Sun. Growing
electrical stresses initiate discharges and the formation of a glowing plasma
sheath, appearing as the coma and tail.
Well, we know the only glow from his plasma sheath is that from sunlight reflecting from dust. We also know that his weak electric field not only doesn't exist, but cannot. So, that kills this discharge woo straight away.

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The observed jets of comets are electric arc discharges to the nucleus, producing “electrical discharge machining” (EDM) of the surface.
Hahahahahahaha! The man is quite possibly insane! So, at least Sol knows what he needs to be trawling the mag data for now. Electric arc discharges, and EDM woo. They should stand out like a sore thumb.

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Intermittent and wandering arcs erode the surface and burn it black, leaving
the distinctive scarring patterns of electric discharges.
So, these arcs are going walkabout all over the surface! Should be visible in all sorts of wavelengths. Sol will need to check the Alice data as well. I'm sure that stuff will show up in the wavelengths it looks at. It sure as hell didn't make its presence known in visible light!

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But when a comet speeds inward for a quick spin around the
Sun, the voltage of the comet becomes increasingly out of balance with
that nearer the Sun—a situation leading to high-energy discharge.
So, no doubting that we are talking about lightning-like woo here. Despite Sol's obfuscation. A high energy discharge will announce itself with a dirty great spike in the mag data. And also would be seen by Alice, if it's looking in the right place. It should also play havoc with radio communication. Ought to be a cinch to find that then. Assuming it occurred. Which it didn't

So, we shall await the confirmation of this impossible woo shortly.
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
So, for avoidance of doubt, here is what the Grand Poobah of the Electric Idiots says re discharges at a comet;



Well, we know the only glow from his plasma sheath is that from sunlight reflecting from dust. We also know that his weak electric field not only doesn't exist, but cannot. So, that kills this discharge woo straight away.



Hahahahahahaha! The man is quite possibly insane! So, at least Sol knows what he needs to be trawling the mag data for now. Electric arc discharges, and EDM woo. They should stand out like a sore thumb.



So, these arcs are going walkabout all over the surface! Should be visible in all sorts of wavelengths. Sol will need to check the Alice data as well. I'm sure that stuff will show up in the wavelengths it looks at. It sure as hell didn't make its presence known in visible light!



So, no doubting that we are talking about lightning-like woo here. Despite Sol's obfuscation. A high energy discharge will announce itself with a dirty great spike in the mag data. And also would be seen by Alice, if it's looking in the right place. It should also play havoc with radio communication. Ought to be a cinch to find that then. Assuming it occurred. Which it didn't

So, we shall await the confirmation of this impossible woo shortly.
Poor jonnesy... the dust!

Loves making snot up, through ignorance!

No, we are talking discharges here, as explained by tusenfem....

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A high energy discharge will announce itself with a dirty great spike in the mag data.
Ummmm.... what a drop kick! Rosetta did.
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Poor jonnesy... the dust!

Loves making snot up, through ignorance!

No, we are talking discharges here, as explained by tusenfem....

Ummmm.... what a drop kick! Rosetta did.
Hey, woo boy - I just explained what your woo proposes. WHERE IS IT?
Stop lying, stop obfuscating, stop being dense and show us where the woo described by Thornhill is. And Tusenfem is not describing discharges. Not the way that Thornhill describes them. Maybe you should read what he wrote, yes?

WHERE ARE YOUR HIGH ENERGY DISCHARGES? WHERE ARE YOUR ARC DISCHARGES? WHERE IS YOUR GLOW DISCHARGE? WHERE IS YOUR EDM (lol)?

And if you think a high energy arc discharge will not make a spike in a magnetometer, then you are even more clueless than I have given you credit for. Why not just go away and get an education?
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Rosetta did.
Did what?
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... the dust!
And WTF has dust got to do with non-existent, high energy arc discharges that perform EDM (lol) on the non-existent rock, to produce non-existent O-, to impossibly combine with solar wind H+ that isn't getting anywhere near the nucleus at highest activity? Please explain.
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keep going, champ!

Just let me put my coffee down first. Not sure my keyboard or screen can handle any more.
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keep going, champ!

Just let me put my coffee down first. Not sure my keyboard or screen can handle any more.
And another idiotic comment that shows that he cannot explain the complete lack of his high energy arc discharges and EDM (lol) woo.It ain't there. Due to being scientifically impossible, as well as being unobserved. It is dead. It was dead before it was born.
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keep going, champ!
Sure. Can't you read? Here it is again for the hard of reading;

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And WTF has dust got to do with non-existent, high energy arc discharges that perform EDM (lol) on the non-existent rock, to produce non-existent O-, to impossibly combine with solar wind H+ that isn't getting anywhere near the nucleus at highest activity? Please explain.
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Dust in space gets immediatley charged by means of charging currents that are present in space plasmas. Different charging currents exists, the most important ones are due to the photoelectric effect and electron as well as ion currents. In dense plasmas, e.g. in the vicinity of cometary tails, the charging process is dominated by electron and ion collection, and dust is usually charged negatively. An additional effect is secondary electron emission, which is caused by highly energetic electron impacts on the dust grain. The effect causes the dust grain to charge even more negatively with time. In sunlit and less dense space plasmas the photoelectric effect continuously produces photelectrons that result in a positively charged dust grain due to the lack of negative charge carriers on the grain. The relative importance of these various currents strongly depends on the distance from the sun, the composition of the space plamas, as well as the chemical and physical properties of the dust grain. All these parameters are related by means of the current balance equation:
Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko

Add to the mix dust being charged via electron impact ionisation and .... A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet


but, yeah sublimation...
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Sure. Can't you read? Here it is again for the hard of reading;

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This all happens with a flow of charge, electrons in this case, and a net current given by the number of electrons that pass through a certain surface per second. One Ampère is one Coulomb per second, and one Coulomb is equal to around 6E18 electrons.
tusenfem, further to the above.

Seeing the dust is charged arrives in "showers" and is contained within collimated "jets" why would you not consider this an electric current as per the definition above?

and as seen in the The 2016 Feb 19 outburst of comet 67P/CG: an ESA Rosetta multi-instrument study "outburst".
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These nanograins originate at the comet nucleus and are picked up by the
nearby SW and returned to the comet's vicinity with greatly increased energies. They then are accelerated further, creating a cloud of nanograins flowing with the SW toward the outer heliosphere
Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and
Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko


Ummm an electric current...
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WTF are you on about? None of that has anything to do with arc discharges, or any other kind, and it says nothing about sublimation, which is an observed fact. Get a grip. Or get an education.
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Ummm an electric current...
Show me where the author claims there is a current (which is not an arc discharge, BTW).
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tusenfem, further to the above.

Seeing the dust is charged arrives in "showers" and is contained within collimated "jets" why would you not consider this an electric current as per the definition above?

and as seen in the The 2016 Feb 19 outburst of comet 67P/CG: an ESA Rosetta multi-instrument study "outburst".
How the hell is that a current? And it is going the wrong way for your woo anyway. Learn to read. Thornhill says 'discharges TO the nucleus'. Not coming off of it. You don't even understand your own impossible woo, and we keep having to explain it to you! Priceless.
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Old 30th June 2020, 09:01 PM   #3582
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So answer the question, chicken. Here it is again;

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And WTF has dust got to do with non-existent, high energy arc discharges that perform EDM (lol) on the non-existent rock, to produce non-existent O-, to impossibly combine with solar wind H+ that isn't getting anywhere near the nucleus at highest activity? Please explain.
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Old 30th June 2020, 09:51 PM   #3583
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Exclamation A "tusenfem’s post, no math" lie

A "tusenfem’s post, no math" lie.

tusenfem’s post Let's talk about sex discharges baby has math in unfortunately broken latex. He just does not go thru the math because it is basic. He cites a paper with the "gory details".
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Old 30th June 2020, 09:59 PM   #3584
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"use the post as a basis for jonesdave116 lack of education" lie and insult of jonesdave116

tusenfem confirms what we have been writing ! An electric discharge as the Thunderbolts cult define it, needs a non-conducting medium such as air: As we all know, air is, luckily, a very bad conductor.... Followed by charging of dust by electric currents. Ending with electrostatic charging of dust on the surface of 67P by during low activity.

There is also discharge as in a battery discharging which is not what the cult is talking abut. They want "lightning bolts" between planets to blast many cubic kilometers of rock per comet (~4000 cataloged comets in the few centuries!). They want "lightning bolts" to magically turn solid rock into dust and gas that is the same as sublimating ices and dust from ice and dust comets. They want absurd "lightning bolts" to be comet jets that are not ice and dust as observed and do not emit and light when they are in shadows.
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Persist with lies about his cult's debunked and dead dogma.

jonesdave116's So, for avoidance of doubt, here is what the Grand Poobah of the Electric Idiots says re discharges at a comet is what his cult prophets say their dogma is. "Grand Poobah of the Electric Idiots" is I assume the documented liar and fantasy spinner Wal Thornhill. If he was the only source of the cult dogma then he could also be lying about the dogma as has has lied about Deep Impact for the last 14 years ! The Thunderbolts site has their debunked and dead dogma.
  • A "weak electric field" lie.
    The cult needs a solar electric field big enough to build up massive charges that tear apart sold rock into gas and dust. That would be a massive electric field.
  • A delusion that comet coma and tails are plasma sheaths.
    Plasma sheaths are the part of plasma next to a surface. Plasma sheaths have a thickness of a few Debye lengths which as a few meters at best at comets. Coma are up to thousands of kilometers from the nucleus and tails millions of kilometers away. They reflect light. They are neutral gas, dust and plasma. Dust tails are just dust!
  • Electrical discharge machining (EDM) at comets is a delusion because EDM is an industrial process using a liquid insulating medium .
  • A "comets are black because of electric discharges" fantasy.
    Comets are not covered in soot or burnt rock.
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Old 30th June 2020, 10:29 PM   #3586
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Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.

Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko[/b] and A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet are mainstream ice and dust comet papers based on the physical fact that the observed ice on comets such as 67P (at least 14% ice as Sol88 knows) will sublimate.
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
So answer the question, chicken. Here it is again;

Arse about face champ!

Those high energy jobies ripped the rocks (comets and asteroids) off of planets and into space not off the rock (comets) already in space!

but nice confabulation... your and RC are bloody experts at it.

Meanwhile, back to the in situ measurements of one of the ONLY comets we have orbited.

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These nanograins originate at the comet nucleus and are picked up by the nearby SW and returned to the comet's vicinity with greatly increased energies. They then are accelerated further, creating a cloud of nanograins flowing with the SW toward the outer heliosphere.
Though, it is noted that no magnetic field aligned ambipolar electric field was mentioned, only the SW electric field!

It would appear it DOES have an effect on any charged particles included EXTREMELY heavy particles like the dust!

Whoda thunk it!
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A lying "Seeing the dust is charged arrives in "showers"..." question.

Rosetta did not detect any showers of dust. Comet jets exist. The dust ejected by sublimating ices in jets is neutral until charged by photoionization in the coma, etc.. Electric currents are irrelevant to his cult's debunked and dead dogma which has the ignorant fantasy of high-energy electric discharges.
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Old 30th June 2020, 10:37 PM   #3589
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Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.

Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko[/b] and A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet are mainstream ice and CHARGED dust comet papers based on the physical fact that the observed ice on comets such as 67P (at least 14% ice as Sol88 knows) will sublimate.
Fixed for you, again, reality check!


Seems to quietly slip by your very good archival skills ( along with adding pages and pages of lies)

Not just you that conveniently forgets to mention charged dust.
Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko

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Key Points:
• Positively charged cometary
nanograins are observed for the first
time
• Positive and negative nanograins are
observed together but from different
directions as predicted by the pickup
process
• Multiple peaks in the energy
spectrum of picked up negative
nanograins suggest multiple charge
states

Positive and negative nanograins are observed together but from different directions as predicted by the pickup process, must really get your goat!
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Old 30th June 2020, 10:39 PM   #3590
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Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.

The 2016 Feb 19 outburst of comet 67P/CG: an ESA Rosetta multi-instrument study is not about a jet.
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Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.

Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko has no electric current. Electric currents are irrelevant to his cult's debunked and dead dogma which has the ignorant fantasy of high-energy electric discharges.

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A "Arse about face champ!" post lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma again.

Persist with lies about his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
He believes in semi-religious dogma that includes comet jets are electric arc discharges and electric discharge machining erodes come nuclei and makes them black.
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More stupidity from presumably Wal Thornhill.
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The observed jets of comets are electric arc discharges to the nucleus, producing “electrical discharge machining” (EDM) of the surface.
Discharges widen as they go outward from their source. Thornhill has the idiocy of jets widening as they go to the surface when they do the opposite!
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Exclamation A "Fixed for you, again, reality check!" lie when cometary dust is not all charged

A "Fixed for you, again, reality check!" lie when cometary dust is not all charged.

He continued his many years of citing and lying about mainstreamice and dust comet papers:
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Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.

Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko[/b] and A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet are mainstream ice and dust comet papers based on the physical fact that the observed ice on comets such as 67P (at least 14% ice as Sol88 knows) will sublimate.
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Exclamation A "along with adding pages and pages of lies" lie.

A "along with adding pages and pages of lies" lie.

It is Sol88 who has spent many years writing posts often with multiple lies each. I am documenting the thousands of lies that he has spammed and trolled this thread with. This is made clear in my posts starting
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
The abysmal insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's dogma, etc. (no astronomer believes comets are actual rock)
263 items of lies, insults, etc. from Sol88 since ~10 March 2020

As soon as he cites a mainstream ice and dust comet paper, it is a lie. When he writes about those papers, it is usually lies. When he writes the words rock, etc. in these papers are his cult's rock, it is lies.
And we have yet more lies from the same post!
Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko is a mainstream ice and dust comet paper
A "must really get your goat!" lie. I have no problem with the real world fact that positive and negative charged nanograins were detected at 67p at the same time as predicted by mainstream ice and dust[ cometary theory
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Abstract
Observations near comet 67P by Rosetta show evidence of charged nanograins. Specifically, the ion and electron sensor (IES) observed negative particles with energy/charge (E/q) consistent with charged nanograins. However, theory predicts that both polarities should be present. On 19 September 2014, IES detected positively and negatively charged particles...

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A "Fixed for you, again, reality check!" lie when cometary dust is not all charged.

He continued his many years of citing and lying about mainstreamice and dust comet papers:



Sighs.... which dust is not charged then...
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Exclamation A lying "which dust is not charged then" question irrelevant to his cult's dogma

A lying "which dust is not charged then" question irrelevant to his cult's debunked and dead dogma.

Anyone who reads the mainstream ice and dust comet paper he cites sees that it is ion detectors that can only detected charged particle that detected these charged nanograins. The surface of 6P has neutral dust when 67P had a coma. Neutral dust was ejected from the nucleus. How much of that dust gets charged in the coma is irrelevant to his dogma.

For others: Just like all of the gas in a coma is not ionized, all of the dust in a coma is not ionized. Neutral and charged dust exist in comet coma, e.g. Three-dimensional kinetic modeling of the neutral and charged dust in the coma of Rosetta’s target comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

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As you can see in tusenfem’s post, no maths but we get the concept.

Plain English...

The problem with math is SISO.
Of course just little math, do you think I am going to put all the math behind this into ISF-format? It would take weeks that I don't have and don't want to spend.
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Exclamation The usual abysmal level of lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
The abysmal insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's dogma, etc. (no astronomer believes comets are actual rock)
297 items of lies, insults, etc. from Sol88 since ~10 March 2020

P.S. The other very debunked cult dogma of an electric sun (SAFIRE) has not been mentioned in a while.
  1. Irrelevant and lying "Plasma non linear behaviour ... " trolling emphasizes his cult's debunked and dead dogma yet again.
  2. Abysmal and irrelevant "maths is gospel in the religion of the big bangers" lie emphasizes his cult's debunked and dead dogma yet again.
  3. A "if jd116 says no can happen in “highly conductive medium” it must be true." lie.
  4. "I see hostility towards D.Scott’s paper has trumped the ignorance of the mainstream" lies and insult.
  5. A "tusenfem’s post, no math" lie.
  6. "use the post as a basis for jonesdave116 lack of education" lie and insult of jonesdave116
  7. Persist with lies about his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
  8. Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.
  9. A lying "Seeing the dust is charged arrives in "showers"..." question.
  10. Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.
  11. Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers.
  12. A "Arse about face champ!" post lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma again.
  13. A "Fixed for you, again, reality check!" lie when cometary dust is not all charged
  14. A "along with adding pages and pages of lies" lie.
  15. A lying "which dust is not charged then" question irrelevant to his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
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