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Old 10th May 2018, 12:15 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Florida senate race, new poll from Florida Atlantic University:

Scott (R) : 44%
Nelson (D, incumbent) : 40%

Not to pay much attention to it because of a lot of problems. To name three, from a sample of 1,000, 190 didn't vote in 2016. The quotas for Democrats and Republicans are equal, set in 340 and almost equally distributed by gender. The presidential vote in 2016 is strongly skewed towards Trump.

By any reasonable adjustment to its results, the election continues to be a toss-up.
Which is why talk of a blue wave is, at best, rather optimistic IMO.

I think that unless something remarkable happens between now and the election, the Democratic Party will do well to retain 48 senators and make small gains in the house but not enough to get anywhere near a majority there.

"Something remarkable" would be something like an outstandingly popular new set of policies, or a picture of President Trump in manacles being led of to jail.
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Old 10th May 2018, 12:27 AM   #122
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Which is why talk of a blue wave is, at best, rather optimistic IMO.

I think that unless something remarkable happens between now and the election, the Democratic Party will do well to retain 48 senators and make small gains in the house but not enough to get anywhere near a majority there.

"Something remarkable" would be something like an outstandingly popular new set of policies, or a picture of President Trump in manacles being led of to jail.
I agree a 100%.

And if Democrats believe someone like Joe Biden is the best kind of candidate they have to offer in 2020, then they can forget the White House for one whole generation.

In the end it all will be a "it's the economy, stupid" kind of thing. Let's wait for the next bubble to burst.
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Old 10th May 2018, 01:14 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
I agree a 100%.

And if Democrats believe someone like Joe Biden is the best kind of candidate they have to offer in 2020, then they can forget the White House for one whole generation.
Whilst talk of the 2020 Presidential election is clearly OT for this thread, I think that the Democratic Party needs to acknowledge and address the fact that the party leadership, and in particular key individuals like Biden, Sanders, the Clintons, Warren, Pelosi et al have been around for years, decades even.

By all means keep them around for their sage advice but people whose political schooling took place in the 70's and 80's shouldn't be the driving force behind a party looking to the future today.

Barack Obama could have, and should have, ushered in a new generation (or two) of Democratic Party leaders but for some reason the same people ended up with their hands on the tiller instead.

At the moment the situation seems oddly reversed from expectation. The so-called progressive party led by old-stagers seems keen on retaining the status quo as at 2015-16 whereas the conservative party seems determined to throw the baby out with the bathwater by causing massive upheaval and being led by political neophytes.

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In the end it all will be a "it's the economy, stupid" kind of thing. Let's wait for the next bubble to burst.
That's my view too. The only thing that will dislodge the GOP from power is an economic crash. The electorate have repeatedly shown that they don't care about political propriety any more or personal responsibilities or personal values - the kinds of things that could have brought about change in the past - only whether they are being hit in the pocket.
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Old 10th May 2018, 11:05 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
That's my view too. The only thing that will dislodge the GOP from power is an economic crash. The electorate have repeatedly shown that they don't care about political propriety any more or personal responsibilities or personal values - the kinds of things that could have brought about change in the past - only whether they are being hit in the pocket.
At least you are being honest in your contempt for the American People.
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Old 10th May 2018, 11:12 AM   #125
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At least you are being honest in your contempt for the American People.
Have we not earned it?
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Have we not earned it?
So let's admit democracy is a failure and talk about what should replace it?
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Old 10th May 2018, 11:42 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
So let's admit democracy is a failure and talk about what should replace it?
Is that what you read? If so, that is on you, not me or The Don.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
At least you are being honest in your contempt for the American People.
Yes, they are too big to fail.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Yes, they are too big to fail.
Smart enough not to fail. Not all countries can handle it.
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