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Old 15th May 2018, 02:55 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Non sequitur. I asked how you got an attack out of that exchange.

BTW the "argument" is your oft stated claim that you are just trolling to "make liberals angry". My response, again, is that I don't care because you consistently make the conservative side look bad.

FWIW, I don't actual believe you are trolling. Rather I think you are saying what you really believe but think you can a pass on it being challenged if you are "joking". Again, though, I don't really care because you're posts are net benefit to my positions.
I wouldnít expect you to think any other way. One would think if I was doing so badly you would celebrate it. Iím also not under the elusion that Iím some super smart fellow. There are several conservatives who can argue it much better then I. But again, I wouldnít expect you to think any other way towards me. And that doesnít bother me in the least as long as you donít make things personal, because I canít make it personal.
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:12 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Why would he want something for the US in exchange? He got something for Trump.

NYT: Trump Indonesia Real Estate Project Gets Chinese Government Ally
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HONG KONG — The Trump Organization’s partner in a lavish Indonesian development project boasting a six-star hotel and golf course with President Trump’s name has brought on a new ally: a Chinese state-owned company.

The Indonesian partner, the MNC Group, said Tuesday that it had struck a deal with an arm of Metallurgical Corporation of China, a state-owned construction company, to build a theme park next door to the planned Trump properties. ...

Also the deal between the Chinese state-owned company, M.C.C., and the Indonesian developer falls under the umbrella of China’s Belt and Road Initiative, an ambitious plan to spread the country’s money and influence around the world by financing infrastructure and other projects. The initiative is a high priority for President Xi Jinping.

I don't get this bit given the reporter says right there what the quid pro quo was. The US did not get something in return, Trump did.
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There isn’t any evidence that the agreement with the construction company was intended to sway the Trump administration on any matters. Still, Mr. Trump has threatened China with tariffs on $150 billion in Chinese-made goods if it doesn’t back away from plans to use state support to finance a new generation of high-tech industries.

And China has protested Washington’s punitive measures against ZTE, a Chinese telecommunications company, that threaten to deprive it of badly needed American-made microchips, software and other equipment. On Sunday, in a surprise reversal, Mr. Trump said he had directed the Commerce Department to resolve the issue to save Chinese jobs.


I don't think Trump can resist:

House Dem: Money at the heart of Trump’s decisions on China, Russia, Turkey
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:18 PM   #283
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Delete. Off topic.
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:22 PM   #284
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These are the perpetrators of Trumpism. It's not a pretty picture.

https://medium.com/bigger-picture/th...s-f463670578b2
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:25 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by Toontown View Post
These are the perpetrators of Trumpism. It's not a pretty picture.

https://medium.com/bigger-picture/th...s-f463670578b2
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3. Ignorant Dads
Examples: My dad, your dad


Other gems from the list of "13 types of Trump supporters, with helpful examples for each category":
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7. Slogan Suckers
Example: Most people on Facebook

9. Frat D-Bags
Example: That one kid I met at a bar last year who high-fived a guy wearing a MAGA hat

11. Sexists
Example: Men
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:38 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Iím also not under the elusion that Iím some super smart fellow.
To prove it, it's actually "illusion".
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:47 PM   #287
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
To prove it, it's actually "illusion".
There was no elusion. There never was any elusion.
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:48 PM   #288
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But of course the numbers nationwide are not that far off. I have a better idea, let that one state become a country and leave the rest of us alone.
They are sufficiently far apart (and gerrymandered) that a count of governors and legislatures as a measure of popularity is stupid.... especially compared to much better measures of popularity.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:43 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
To prove it, it's actually "illusion".
Well you got me on that one.
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:30 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
The election proves it. Itís why hildabeast is getting drunk on Chardonnay.
Trump lost the popular vote.
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:44 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Trump lost the popular vote.
But that's FAKE NEWS!
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:46 PM   #292
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Worth a shot.

As far as I can tell you are attributing a thought to logger that not only was speculation, you are thinking that the "he" in that speculative post referred to logger himself. Which I don't think it did; it referred to Trump.

I want this forum to be a safe space. I often don't like what logger says either, but disparaging "libs lol" or "conservatives" is acceptable, while making the discourse about an arguer is not acceptable. IMO this shows imperfect comprehension of the spirit of the forum rules. (Enough weasel words there for ya ?) The rules make this forum different than the continual "yer an idiot, no yer an idiot" back and forth on some other websites.
I think the term "Troll" comes into play.
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Old 15th May 2018, 09:45 PM   #293
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post

As far as I can tell you are attributing a thought to logger that not only was speculation, you are thinking that the "he" in that speculative post referred to logger himself. Which I don't think it did; it referred to Trump.
Logger has stated on several occasions that the primary goal of his posting is to "upset liberals" or words to that effect and that he doesn't even believe everything he posts.
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Old 16th May 2018, 01:11 AM   #294
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think the term "Troll" comes into play.
I hear you.

Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Logger has stated on several occasions that the primary goal of his posting is to "upset liberals" or words to that effect and that he doesn't even believe everything he posts.
I know. Fine line. Slippery slope. Not sarcastic. I mean it.
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It's being reported that Michael Cohen told a Quatari official in a meeting at Trump Tower weeks after the election that he had to send "millions of dollars" to Trump family members
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Old 16th May 2018, 03:14 AM   #296
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Bolton eliminates top cybersecurity role
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Old 16th May 2018, 03:44 AM   #297
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The Dunce during the campaign:
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ďWe canít continue to allow China to rape our country, and thatís what theyíre doing,Ē he said during one campaign rally.
Now he Tweets:
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President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!
11:01 AM - May 13, 2018
Is Dumpster seriously that stupid? He didn't know winning trade wars means the other side loses jobs?
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Old 16th May 2018, 04:09 AM   #298
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Is Dumpster seriously that stupid? He didn't know winning trade wars means the other side loses jobs?
He literally doesn't care one way or another, all he wants is attention, praise and money.
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Old 16th May 2018, 04:22 AM   #299
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House Democrats have unveiled a bill to create a new White House cyber office led by a Senate-confirmed director following John Bolton's move to eliminate the top cyber policy post. https://bit.ly/2k1qCBk
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It's being reported that there are regular sweeps of the White House for non-government issued phones, in an effort to prevent leaks
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Old 16th May 2018, 06:30 AM   #301
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
It would be nice if you said who was reporting these stories, rather than just "it's being reported". I tend to skip, say, Daily Mail stories, since I understand that they don't have a good reputation.
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Old 16th May 2018, 06:58 AM   #302
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It would be nice if you said who was reporting these stories, rather than just "it's being reported". I tend to skip, say, Daily Mail stories, since I understand that they don't have a good reputation.
Maybe true about the Daily Mail. But who says "they don't have a good reputation". Can you expand on that statement? Is it a tabloid thing?
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Maybe true about the Daily Mail. But who says "they don't have a good reputation". Can you expand on that statement? Is it a tabloid thing?


In the UK the Daily Mail is generally regarded as a right wing tabloid - it is generally racist and sexist, overtly xenophobic to the EU, obsessed with the Royal Family and fiercely supportive of Brexit. It has a tendency towards anti science and education.

Itís owner is a right wing, tax avoiding nut with string anti democratic ideas that regularly find their way into the papers articles.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...ng-water-study

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Politico reports that several months ago, a H.H.S. unit called the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (A.T.S.D.R.) was all set to publish a federal study showing that a certain class of toxic chemicals linked to thyroid defects, problems in pregnancy, and certain cancers poses a risk to humans even at low levels of exposure. According to the report, the chemicals are present at dangerous levels near military bases, chemical plants, and other sites in multiple states. But when the White House got wind of the report, it worried that revealing its findings would freak people out and put pressure on the E.P.A. and Department of Defense.
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Old 16th May 2018, 07:33 AM   #305
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Trump is clearly experienced in these matters due to problems at his hotels and other buildings where they had problems with bugs because they donít sweep often enough.
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Does that include Trump's own phone? I was under the impression that Kelly had lost that fight, resulting in late-night phonecalls between Trump and Sean Hannity.
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The public must be protected from toxic knowledge!
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Maybe true about the Daily Mail. But who says "they don't have a good reputation". Can you expand on that statement? Is it a tabloid thing?
They invent stories and print lies
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They invent stories and print lies
Thank you. Got it.
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Slightly on-topic as to the daily mail discussion:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538
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I'm still trying to figure out why all these Cohen-related scoops are coming from "unconventional" sources like the Daily Mail and Avenatti himself rather than the likes of WaPo and NYT.
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Old 16th May 2018, 08:35 AM   #311
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Read the post. The link was CNN it was just the poster who worried it could be the Daily Mail if he clicked. I think he did not click.
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If you put 40 million people in one state, and less than a million in two states, one party being popular in those two latter states doesn't mean they are more popular.
True. But it does mean the party popular in the two low population states gets 4 senators to the two in the high population state.
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Trump's financial disclosure report has been released
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Is there a TL/DR on that somewhere? I can't get past that he apparently signs with a dull Sharpie.
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Logger has stated on several occasions that the primary goal of his posting is to "upset liberals" or words to that effect and that he doesn't even believe everything he posts.
Which is why I think people need to start paying more attention to the "Don't Feed The Trolls" sign (myself included,I have taken the bait too often).

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The public must be protected from toxic knowledge!
Rather than announcing and fixing poisonous water in numerous states, they choose to bury the report on it. And yet this administration is so bad that this is just an insignificant blip in the news cycle.
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Is there a TL/DR on that somewhere? I can't get past that he apparently signs with a dull Sharpie.
This NYT article downplays it but the first big reveal is essentially a criminal referral of a sitting president by his own OGE appointee.

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President Trump’s financial disclosure, released on Wednesday, revealed for the first time that he paid more than $100,000 to his personal attorney, Michael D. Cohen, as reimbursement for payment to a third-party.

The disclosure, released by the Office of Government Ethics, did not specify the purpose of the payment. However, Mr. Cohen has paid $130,000 to an adult film actress, Stephanie Clifford, who has claimed she had an affair with Mr. Trump.

Mr. Cohen has said he made the payment to keep the actress, who goes by the stage name Stormy Daniels, from going public before the 2016 election with her story about an affair with Mr. Trump.

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Yet a letter accompanying the report sent to Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, from the government ethics office’s acting director, David J. Apol, said that the Office of Government Ethics had determined “the payment made by Mr. Cohen is required to be reported as a liability.”
ETA: Here's a copy of the letter to Rod Rosenstein.


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It would be nice if you said who was reporting these stories, rather than just "it's being reported". I tend to skip, say, Daily Mail stories, since I understand that they don't have a good reputation.
Seconded, for further reasons. It's simply good form all around to name source media. It would probably increase the number of people clicking your links.
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Worth repeating.
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But... but... Hillary's emails!

Seriously, not only is it possible evidence of a crime, but the disclosure contradicts Trump's statement on the plane to the reporters that he didn't know where the money came from. It also contradicts Cohen when he claims he hadn't been reimbursed. (And ironically Guilliani was right, although that may have been by accident.) So many lies. Hard to keep track of them.
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