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Old 19th April 2018, 06:58 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
jond,
- I have often admitted (in this forum) that I was wrong about something, and I've asked lots of questions trying to understand the claims against mine. IMO, much of the time, that I ask these questions, I don't get direct answers -- I get complaints and very indirect answers (that really don't help).
Can you give some examples?
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Old 19th April 2018, 07:10 AM   #122
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- Can you give me some examples?
I see no point, given that your response to anything you don't want to see is to ignore it then pretend it never existed.

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- (Note that I'm not going off topic. The first rule in my debate model is that everyone be friendly and respectful.)
Which you pretend to observe by being respectful in language and disrespectful to the level of utter contempt in content.

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Old 19th April 2018, 07:12 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
jond,
- I have often admitted (in this forum) that I was wrong about something, and I've asked lots of questions trying to understand the claims against mine. IMO, much of the time, that I ask these questions, I don't get direct answers -- I get complaints and very indirect answers (that really don't help).
Jabba, how many "going 60 mph are there?"

Maybe when you actually answer that question you might gain a very tiny step towards criticizing others "answering behavior".
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If everyone you meet is a poor debater, then the poor debater is you.
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Old 19th April 2018, 07:32 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
Would you define ignoring direct replies and rebuttals to arguments as insulting behavior?
Robo,
- As I've explained numerous times before:

- Not, at all, in my case.
- I only have so much time that I can "legitimately" use for our discussions. I try to limit that to about 3 hrs per day. I use it all.
- I think that I am naturally slower than most of you guys.
- There have been about 50,000 replies on "my" threads. I've contributed about 5000 of those replies.
- I've had more than 100 opponents over the years, and the few supporters I've had have been quickly ushered off with insults.
- Opponents tend to have more than one anti-claim per post.
- I've suggested to the forum that I'll try to answer anyone who tries to avoid insults.
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Old 19th April 2018, 07:59 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
Joe,
- How could I have stumbled upon immortality, when all the experts in the relevant math and science have not? Somehow, I must be wrong! But so far, I can't figure out why --

That’s down to you, not a problem with the way the ‘debate’ is presented. People have explained, in great detail and with great patience, exactly how your argument fails.

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... and in that other thread, I either disagree with the arguments against my claim, or just don't understand them.

No, most of the time you simply ignore them. You have even admitted as much.

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- And then, everyone on that thread -- except for me -- is a committed skeptic. I'm committed in the other direction, but trying to see your arguments in the best possible light...

No, you aren’t. You are transparently trying to find excuses to discount or ignore them.
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Old 19th April 2018, 08:11 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
Not, at all, in my case.
Yes, in every case. Every single case. This has been explained to you on multiple occasions that only cherry picking the responses you an twist into agree is inherently rude in a discussion.

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I only have so much time that I can "legitimately" use for our discussions. I try to limit that to about 3 hrs per day. I use it all.
You use it all to make excuses, long drawn out special pleadings, and more and more jumps your opponents have to jump through in your silly "debate" style.

Every few days you dump some near page long "Roadmap" nested flowchart monstrosity into the thread.

A fraction of the effort you put into excuses and stalling and whining and begging for agreement could at least be put into pretending you ever have the intention of ever beginning to answer a question.

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I think that I am naturally slower than most of you guys.
Five years Jabba and you haven't made one statement of intellectual content regarding your two initial claims.

Nobody is buying this "Befuddled old man" persona you keep trying to foist on us. Nobody. Nobody you are arguing with and nobody in this mythical "Neutral Audience" that doesn't exist that you made up that you pretend is watching.

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There have been about 50,000 replies on "my" threads. I've contributed about 5000 of those replies.
Well that's because you don't listen and a dozen people have resorting to various levels of screaming at you, pleading with you, every possible metaphor, simile and comparison from a dozen different angle at a dozen different levels in the vein hope that something is going to stick.

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I've had more than 100 opponents over the years, and the few supporters I've had have been quickly ushered off with insults.
1. That's because you mistake random thread nannies picking fights with the skeptics as "Your supporters."

2. Because you're more interested in writing a "Lone misunderstood genius against the world narrative" than saying anything with intellectual weight beyond "My socks are full are pasta."

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Opponents tend to have more than one anti-claim per post.
1. Yes people are allowed to do that.
2. One "anti-claim" or a dozen you don't answer any of them.

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I've suggested to the forum that I'll try to answer anyone who tries to avoid insults.
No you don't. You don't answer anyone. Ever. About anything.

Stalls are not answers. "I'll answer once we agree to rules that require you to agree I'm right before we start" are not answers. Just restating your opinion again for the 50th billionth gazillionth time is not answers. Fringe Resets are not answers.

All of this would be amazingly insulting even if your entire shtick wasn't you waltzing in here claiming you're some grand master of debate who's gonna show up the skeptics and scientist of the world.
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Old 19th April 2018, 08:12 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
Joe,
- How could I have stumbled upon immortality, when all the experts in the relevant math and science have not?
You didn't "stumble" upon it. You simply made it up out of whole cloth.

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Somehow, I must be wrong! But so far, I can't figure out why -- and in that other thread, I either disagree with the arguments against my claim, or just don't understand them.
Agreed. You are wrong and are unable to comprehend why. Now what?
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- And then, everyone on that thread -- except for me -- is a committed skeptic. I'm committed in the other direction, but trying to see your arguments in the best possible light...
Whoa, "trying to see in the best possible light"? Already you have cast everyone else as wrong.

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- So, in this thread, I'm claiming that
Because restating your claims makes everything better, right? Wrong. We already know what your claims are. 5 frakkin' years of you "restating your claims". Don't you think we are heartily fed up with you restating your claims?

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1. We humans should be able to design a format and "ambience" to solve our problem with debate.
Meaningless.
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2. We need to solve it.
Baseless assertion. Prove that.
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3. The Internet provides a significant new opportunity to do that.
Demonstrably, the internet provides a venue for any random crank to have his/her 15 minutes.

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And,
4. This website could at least begin the process.
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But somehow in years of barfing nonsense, you have declined to do so. Why?
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Old 19th April 2018, 08:25 AM   #129
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Old 19th April 2018, 08:36 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
Robo,
- As I've explained numerous times before:

- Not, at all, in my case.
Yes, in your case. As has been explained hundreds of times before.

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- I only have so much time that I can "legitimately" use for our discussions. I try to limit that to about 3 hrs per day. I use it all.
A pity you use it to endlessly restate claims rather than addressing the criticisms to them. That's very rude and insulting.

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- I think that I am naturally slower than most of you guys.
You find plenty of time to post walls of text restating your claims and "reframing" the debate. Not so much in addressing legitimate criticism to those claims.

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- There have been about 50,000 replies on "my" threads. I've contributed about 5000 of those replies.
Without the duplication of endlessly restating your claims and whining, that works out to about 12 original posts.

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- I've had more than 100 opponents over the years, and the few supporters I've had have been quickly ushered off with insults.
You haven't had any supporters, you've had thread nannies who have disagreed with you. They just delight in heckling skeptics.

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- Opponents tend to have more than one anti-claim per post.
Because you've had more than one claim per post. If you don't like the format of the rebuttals, change the format of your own posts.

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- I've suggested to the forum that I'll try to answer anyone who tries to avoid insults.
And that's been found to be an outright lie.

Can you give examples of rude or insulting posts from your critics?
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Old 19th April 2018, 08:43 AM   #131
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- Looks like I could spend the rest of this thread trying to defend my past behavior.
- I had best not...
- What I want to do instead is see if I can get any support at all for developing a "friendly" section of this website, and to thereby show the potential value of such a thing.

- Again, it seems to me that
1. Current public debate is pretty much useless.
2. But, the world desperately needs effective public debate.
3. And, many of the problems with public debate are obvious and might well be fixable.
4. Especially with the availability of the Internet.
5. Yet, no-one is trying to fix it.
6. This website could devote a section to trying to fix it.

- Anyone agree?
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
- Looks like I could spend the rest of this thread trying to defend my past behavior.
- I had best not...
- What I want to do instead is see if I can get any support at all for developing a "friendly" section of this website, and to thereby show the potential value of such a thing.

By “a friendly section” do you, by any chance, mean an area where ideas and arguments are not held up to critical scrutiny?

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- Again, it seems to me that
1. Current public debate is pretty much useless.
2. But, the world desperately needs effective public debate.
3. And, many of the problems with public debate are obvious and might well be fixable.
4. Especially with the availability of the Internet.
5. Yet, no-one is trying to fix it.
6. This website could devote a section to trying to fix it.

- Anyone agree?

Jabba, your behaviour here shows that you are the last person who should be complaining that debates are not effective. Your entire debating style is calculated to prevent any progress.
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
- Looks like I could spend the rest of this thread trying to defend my past behavior.
Your past behavior is indefensible.

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- I had best not...
You can change your future behavior.

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- What I want to do instead is see if I can get any support at all for developing a "friendly" section of this website, and to thereby show the potential value of such a thing.
Try instead changing your behavior.

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- Again, it seems to me that
1. Current public debate is pretty much useless.
2. But, the world desperately needs effective public debate.
Effective at doing what?

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3. And, many of the problems with public debate are obvious and might well be fixable.
Correct, you've been told how to fix your errors.

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4. Especially with the availability of the Internet.
5. Yet, no-one is trying to fix it.
Actually, your critics have been trying for a long time to fix your behavior. You have to meet them half way and actually change.

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6. This website could devote a section to trying to fix it.
Every section is devoted to that. Except politics, politics doesn't follow that at all.

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- Anyone agree?
Change your behavior. Do you agree?
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Here's a simple model of effective debate:

A. Claim
..B. Rebuttal
A. Response
..B. Conclusion
A. Conclusion
The End

After the debate is ended, A or B can take one of the conclusions as a starting point for a new debate, probably as part of advancing a more comprehensive thesis.
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- Looks like I could spend the rest of this thread trying to defend my past behavior.
- I had best not...
Or, radical notion here, you could... like try not arguing from an intentionally and purposely obtuse and dishonest position.

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What I want to do instead is see if I can get any support at all for developing a "friendly" section of this website, and to thereby show the potential value of such a thing.
You can't define "friendly" as "never disagrees with me, never point out the obvious flaws in my statements or arguments, and let me spout out of whatever I want with nothing but sycophantic gushings."

Nobody is being "mean" you. They are frustrated and out of patience with your antics.

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- Again, it seems to me that
1. Current public debate is pretty much useless.
2. But, the world desperately needs effective public debate.
3. And, many of the problems with public debate are obvious and might well be fixable.
4. Especially with the availability of the Internet.
5. Yet, no-one is trying to fix it.
6. This website could devote a section to trying to fix it.

- Anyone agree?
Jabba... you are aware your opponents have things like memory and stuff right and can remember that you've already fully admitted what your intentions are, right?

You do get that fringe resets don't actually make your opponents forget all your previous arguments right?

You've openly admitted that you intend to misuse people's arguments here by taking them out of context and rewriting them into a fictionalized debate where you win that you can post on your silly website.

You keep trying to act like that genie isn't out of the bottle. You have admitted your intention to quote mine people dishonestly.

Nobody here is particularly interesting in helping a guy who's debate skills are so poor he couldn't convince a guy falling out of an airplane to pull his ripcord write his self insert fan fiction where you come out the hero and we're all the villains.
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Also a point that gets lost every time Jabba goes back to his "But my debate style..." whine is... he got it.

The PTB set up this super-duper special "Jabba Rules Only" thread for him.

It lasted about a day before Jabba was argued into the exact same corner he can never get out of, starting breaking his own rules to beg anyone he could for agreement, and ran away with his tail between his legs only to appear back in the main thread with a full fringe reset back to zero a few days later.
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Jabba is really, really bad at this is probably the most universal consensus this forum has ever seen.
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Jabba is really, really bad at this is probably the most universal consensus this forum has ever seen.
In that entire (as of this writing) 5 year+ train wreck I can really only think of 2 or 3 posters who you can really say agreed with or supported Jabba on any level and even those it was sorta hard to tell if they were serious or not.

We got a dozen or so more that where either just run-in thread nannies using the thread as a way to have a go at the skeptics or the occasional person doing the "It's vitally important that I tell you I'm better than you because I'm ignoring this and you're not" routine, and one or two cases of people screaming that we were being "mean" or "picking on" Jabba.

But yeah that's a pretty an amazing consensus in a place where saying "water is wet" will attract at least four or five contrarians.
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Jabba is really, really bad at this is probably the most universal consensus this forum has ever seen.
In that entire (as of this writing) 5 year+ train wreck I can really only think of 2 or 3 posters who you can really say agreed with or supported Jabba on any level and even those it was sorta hard to tell if they were serious or not.
50 to 70,000 posts contradict that conclusion.

Don't bother in using the model of "chew toy" and other silly claims. Jabba's is most interesting; he knows it; you know it. Otherwise you'd leave "his" threads and watch the tumbleweeds rolling.*

Jabba confirms he hasn't done anything wrong when you lot come back and reply to his production either in extent or angrily.

In the background of all this there's a psychological set-up and nobody looks fine under any possible light...

(* if you want but can't, you have to consult a specialist)
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Jabba confirms he hasn't done anything wrong when you lot come back and reply to his production either in extent or angrily.
Yes I remember your "There's no logical reason to argue against falsehoods" fetish from your thread nannying in the main thread.
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"There's no logical reason to argue against falsehoods"
Who said that? There's no reason to argue 126 times against the same falsehood just by changing a few words and because you arrived there from a different post path (the reason for that resilient lunacy of a thread). You simply say "yada yada and post #2385 second paragraph" (or at most quote your own paragraph).

If Jabba said such little repetitive rubble, why does everyone have problems finding a previous answer to the "same" questions?

And I must be a very bad nanny because I hold the most contemptuous opinion about that travesty of a thread and its participants (but not when they are out of that thread and back to reason)
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Who said that? There's no reason to argue 126 times against the same falsehood just by changing a few words and because you arrived there from a different post path (the reason for that resilient lunacy of a thread). You simply say "yada yada and post #2385 second paragraph" (or at most quote your own paragraph).
I'm sorry I wasn't aware I was required to check in with you in deciding when I had grown tired of a discussion. I can't imagine how such an oversight could of occurred.

Please keep track of which threads I am involved in and let me know when you've decided they've gone on long enough to prevent this in the future.

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If Jabba said such little repetitive rubble, why does everyone have problems finding a previous answer to the "same" questions?
Problems finding a way to get Jabba to listen and problems finding an answer are not the same thing.

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And I must be a very bad nanny because I hold the most contemptuous opinion about that travesty of a thread and its participants (but not when they are out of that thread and back to reason)
Hardly. You were neither the first nor the last person to drop into that thread for a short while to "take the skeptics to task." You were nobody's boogeyman.
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Old 19th April 2018, 02:27 PM   #144
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Jabba, you have been incessantly insulting over the full five years of the immortality thread, by repeatedly insisting that you're trying to teach the ignorant and that the only reason everyone disagrees with you is that nobody's clever enough to follow your arguments. If you'd made the slightest attempt to avoid being insulting, you'd get more polite treatment in return.

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- Can you give me some examples?
- (Note that I'm not going off topic. The first rule in my debate model is that everyone be friendly and respectful.)
I'm not Dave, but I quickly searched my own posts in the immortality threads for the word 'rude'. I didn't search for impolite, nor did I look for any instance of any other poster pointing out where you had been rude, insulting, disrespectful or dishonest.

These are just three occasions where I've pointed out to you that you have been rude to your interlocutors - the search cuts off at 275 and I think the point is made with three just as effectively as if I had linked to a great deal more.

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Dave,
- Try this.
- What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Wow. That is a breathtakingly rude thing to say; you have communicated your ideas perfectly well - they just happen to be wrong. We are communicating our objections to your ideas perfectly well, you just happen to ignore all rebuttals including those from your current Least Critical Poster™.
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For heaven's sake, Jabba. Have you not read any of the thousands of replies to you over the last five years?

<snip for space and topic>

And to be honest, that you have not addressed the many replies to you is really, really rude of you.
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- You've all agreed that it wouldn't bring me back to life. The new sense of self would not be ME.
Nobody has agreed with you on that matter. The new sense of self would be a duplicate, exactly identical-but separate you. 'Back to life' is meaningless in this context. Please do not misrepresent what other people have said, it's rude and wrong.
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- Looks like I could spend the rest of this thread trying to defend my past behavior.
- I had best not...
- What I want to do instead is see if I can get any support at all for developing a "friendly" section of this website, and to thereby show the potential value of such a thing.

- Again, it seems to me that
1. Current public debate is pretty much useless.
2. But, the world desperately needs effective public debate.
3. And, many of the problems with public debate are obvious and might well be fixable.
4. Especially with the availability of the Internet.
5. Yet, no-one is trying to fix it.
6. This website could devote a section to trying to fix it.

- Anyone agree?
No, I do not agree, as your itemised premises are fundamentally flawed:
1. You do not understand the purpose of public debate and therefore construe it as useless
2. This invalidates all subsequent premises.
3. Your suggested solution to the imagined problem is demonstrably flawed, as in this forum you have been unable to apply it properly, not derive any additional benefit from applying to properly or improperly.

In other words, it attempts to address an imaginary problem
AND
if it was as good as you claim, it should have been able to be applied in practice - but you weren't even able to meet this initial hurdle.
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Old 19th April 2018, 06:24 PM   #146
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Robo,
- As I've explained numerous times before:

- Not, at all, in my case.
- I only have so much time that I can "legitimately" use for our discussions. I try to limit that to about 3 hrs per day. I use it all.

Jabba, that isn't respectful. Respectful debate would be using your time to learn - say by going to Hindu or Buddhist forums and asking them to define their ideas about reincarnation. You won't do that. You've ignored me every single time I've made that suggestion.

Don't you think that respectful debate requires at least that people on each side learn the very basics of their own positions?


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This website could devote a section to trying to fix it.

And yet, Jabba, of the numerous times I've tried to direct you to Kialo.Com you have ignored me at every single opportunity. I found a website that has a debate model more closely aligned with your personal philosophy of debate, yet you haven't even looked at it.

Try to be the least bit considerate and explore the place at least. Why do we have to make huge changes here when someone else is already doing it in a manner you approve?

Wouldn't it be considerate to actually look into these suggestions?
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- So, here too.
- unless someone actually wants to continue this discussion, I'm ready to move on.
- Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
- So, here too.
- unless someone actually wants to continue this discussion, I'm ready to move on.
- Good luck.
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We continued the discussion. If by "moving on", you mean that you will change your future behavior to not be rude or dishonest, good luck to you. You're the one who has to live with it.
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Old 20th April 2018, 07:01 AM   #149
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Jabba, I think you will not find a group of people more generously willing to continue any discussion you wish to have. No matter how pointless, repetitive, and dishonest, discussion will always find a ready home on this forum. No matter how many other less tolerant venues quickly lose their patience with your games, and show you the door, you will always be welcome to come here to play.

If you want more discussion, you shall have it; as much as you can stand. What you shan't have is blind agreement with your preferred conclusion, nor willing accomplices in your lies.
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And now the "effective public debate" deprivation syndrome starts...

It won't last much as it goes both ways so I predict business as usual very soon.
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And now the "effective public debate" deprivation syndrome starts...
*Pats you on the shoulder* Don't worry you'll find other threads to obsessively run into the tell everybody how much better you are than them for not being obsessed with.
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
- So, here too.
- unless someone actually wants to continue this discussion, I'm ready to move on.
- Good luck.
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And still you ignore me. Because to you, I'm not "somebody" nor do I "want things," let alone to 'continue this discussion."
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And still you ignore me. Because to you, I'm not "somebody" nor do I "want things," let alone to 'continue this discussion."
LL,
- Do you actually want me to continue our discussion?
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LL,
- Do you actually want me to continue our discussion?
No. Nobody wants to talk to a brick wall while random people thread nanny us about us being the unreasonable ones.

What would at least be nice is for you to start acting like you have any honest intentions here.
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*Pats you on the shoulder* Don't worry you'll find other threads to obsessively run into the tell everybody how much better you are than them for not being obsessed with.
Talk about projection!
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LL,
- Do you actually want me to continue our discussion?

What I want is for you to show the very basic level of respect that you claim is missing from debate. I want you to research issues before claiming to speak with authority. I want you to check out Kialo.Com to see how you like their method of debate.

If you don't want these things, I want to know what about them you disagree with. Then, explain how your ideas about debate are upheld by refusing these requests.
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Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
What I want is for you to show the very basic level of respect that you claim is missing from debate. I want you to research issues before claiming to speak with authority. I want you to check out Kialo.Com to see how you like their method of debate.

If you don't want these things, I want to know what about them you disagree with. Then, explain how your ideas about debate are upheld by refusing these requests.
LL,
- I'm going to assume that you do want to continue our discussion -- but only if I can meet your requirements.
- Re: "What I want is for you to show the very basic level of respect that you claim is missing from debate."
- Tell me again, how you think that I am not being respectful.
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- Tell me again, how you think that I am not being respectful.
QED
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LL,
- I'm going to assume that you do want to continue our discussion -- but only if I can meet your requirements.
- Re: "What I want is for you to show the very basic level of respect that you claim is missing from debate."
- Tell me again, how you think that I am not being respectful.

You are not being respectful when you pretend that it hasn’t been clearly explained to you how you are not being respectful.

You will also not be being respectful if you ask where you have pretended that it hasn’t been clearly explained to you how you are not being respectful.
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You are not being respectful when you ignore the same question that dozens of people ask you literally 50 times.
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