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Old 10th May 2018, 10:27 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
See? That shows just how smart Cohen is... able to get paid for doing very little. He's playing 4D chess with everyone!

/trumpism


Seriously... is the swamp drained yet?
The way I heard it is that since Cohen is so buddy-buddy with Trump,
and since Trump is not the usual politician who can be accessed in the usual way,
then Cohen marketed himself as a person who, for a large fee of course, can provide anyone with Trump access.

Accordingly, it will be very difficult for Trump to drain the swamp (or "sewer" as he once called it) when his own lawyer is working so hard to profit from the swamp.
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Old 10th May 2018, 10:35 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
The way I heard it is that since Cohen is so buddy-buddy with Trump,
and since Trump is not the usual politician who can be accessed in the usual way,
then Cohen marketed himself as a person who, for a large fee of course, can provide anyone with Trump access.

Accordingly, it will be very difficult for Trump to drain the swamp (or "sewer" as he once called it) when his own lawyer is working so hard to profit from the swamp.
I think it's actually

"Drain" the swamp
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I think it's actually

"Drain" the swamp
So Trump is taking the swamp and emptying the sewage drains into it?

Makes sense.
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Old 10th May 2018, 11:47 AM   #164
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Cross-post with another thread:

Giulliani has resigned from his law firm, who have subsequently released a statement disputing some of his comments about the payment to Stormy Daniels
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Because the emails were sent to Daniel's previous lawyer, Davidson, and they were turned over to Avenatti as the new lawyer.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Because the emails were sent to Daniel's previous lawyer, Davidson, and they were turned over to Avenatti as the new lawyer.
That explanation makes no sense.

This is an unrelated to stormy daniels email from april 11th.
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
That explanation makes no sense.

This is an unrelated to stormy daniels email from april 11th.
It makes sense if Karen McDougal's claims about Davidson colluding with Trump and not working in her best interests are correct.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I had no idea he was with GT. Jesus Christ what a **** show for them! This is not the sort of publicity their clients want. Obviously they were banking on him being SoS, but damn what a bad miss.

A local firm actually changed their name to add Giuliani back when he was running for president. That went about as well.
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I had no idea he was with GT. Jesus Christ what a **** show for them! This is not the sort of publicity their clients want.
But violating basic laws is why the rich and powerful employ such law firms. Really they must have dozens of lawyers disbarred a year for that kind of misappropriation of funds. Why should one more be such a big deal?
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
It makes sense if Karen McDougal's claims about Davidson colluding with Trump and not working in her best interests are correct.


Davidson is colluding with Trump therefor he sent Avenatti this email ?

Can you please explain further, I must be missing something.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
But violating basic laws is why the rich and powerful employ such law firms. Really they must have dozens of lawyers disbarred a year for that kind of misappropriation of funds. Why should one more be such a big deal?
I know you are being sarcastic, but it is scary how close to a Poe that is.

Just to add, GT is one of the largest firms in the country and they have many very respected attorneys under their umbrella.
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Loss Leader is the best type of right: technically right.

You know, sometimes in legal matters it is the only kind of right . . .
well he is both technically wrong, and the suggestion that a lawyer should not be candid with the court is not being "technically right" either, as I am sure you would agree.

Can you imagine walking into Kimba Woods courtroom and saying "Yes I am under a disciplinary investigation, but did not have to disclose it because it was an arm of the Supreme Court and not a state court." Oh mercy....
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I know you are being sarcastic, but it is scary how close to a Poe that is.
To be fair that is just a slightly sarcastic rewording of what Giuliani was saying Cohen was doing for trump. And it seems the goal was to confess to a bunch of crimes before the serious ones came out. But seriously having a famous lawyer in their firm volunteer crimes his client and asspaite did on national television is probably not something that makes them happy.
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well he is both technically wrong, and the suggestion that a lawyer should not be candid with the court is not being "technically right" either, as I am sure you would agree.

Can you imagine walking into Kimba Woods courtroom and saying "Yes I am under a disciplinary investigation, but did not have to disclose it because it was an arm of the Supreme Court and not a state court." Oh mercy....
So TBD (not a lawyer), is telling 2 actual lawyers they are wrong about a legal matter, and following it up with a fallacious argument (argument from incredulity) ?

Did I miss anything ?
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Experts: Leaking Michael Cohen’s Bank Records Could Be Illegal
Stormy Daniels’ lawyer isn’t revealing how he got access to records for Michael Cohen’s shell company—but experts say if the documents were leaked, the penalties could be serious.
He knew they were stolen, in fact I heard he finished first in law school class, so he should have known not to use him in his latest three ring circus.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/expert...uld-be-illegal
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Just to wrap this up, since we all know TBD is going to ignore it ...

From the article linked:
It is not uncommon for journalists, lawyers and others in the public eye to receive unauthorized leaks of sensitive information, and there is nothing improper in receiving such information

What exactly does TBD claim Treasury Dept. investigation of Avenatti is for ?

We will all be waiting with bated breath...
Maybe TBD has me on ignore and someone else wants to see if he they can get TBD to actually provide claims for the arguments he makes ?
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Looks like the left is starting to get sick of Avenatti and the porn “actress”

As Trumps numbers continue rise and the blue wave turns into a ripple.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary...chael-avenatti
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
So TBD (not a lawyer), is telling 2 actual lawyers they are wrong about a legal matter, and following it up with a fallacious argument (argument from incredulity) ?

Did I miss anything ?
No.

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Maybe TBD has me on ignore and someone else wants to see if he they can get TBD to actually provide claims for the arguments he makes ?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Just to wrap this up, since we all know TBD is going to ignore it ...

From the article linked:
It is not uncommon for journalists, lawyers and others in the public eye to receive unauthorized leaks of sensitive information, and there is nothing improper in receiving such information

What exactly does TBD claim Treasury Dept. investigation of Avenatti is for ?

We will all be waiting with bated breath...
That does seem relevant. But probably should be ignored, for reasons.
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He knew they were stolen, in fact I heard he finished first in law school class, so he should have known not to use him in his latest three ring circus.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/expert...uld-be-illegal
To save everyone else the trouble, this is the only excerpt in the article that comes close to matching the headline:

I think somebody from the SDNY is leaking,” said Robert Barnes, a Las Vegas-based trial attorney who’s taken Avenatti to task on Twitter. “The degree to which Avenatti had details implicates them badly.”
Barnes pointed out that Avenatti was reportedly spotted dining with former Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in late March. He added that Cohen could potentially sue Avenatti for invasion of privacy by illegal disclosure of banking information.


When can't anyone potentially sue anyone else over most anything??? YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN
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He knew they were stolen, in fact I heard he finished first in law school class, so he should have known not to use him in his latest three ring circus.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/expert...uld-be-illegal
Yes, leaks are often illegal. And yet the White House has no power to stop them. Remember how Spicey used to get so riled up chewing his gum. The good ole days . . .
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So TBD (not a lawyer), is telling 2 actual lawyers they are wrong about a legal matter, and following it up with a fallacious argument (argument from incredulity) ?

Did I miss anything ?

Well, the wider point is what's important: Admit when you lack expertise, especially if an expert is actually available. Instead of throwing the whole conversation off into some insane side-debate about how disciplinary proceedings are conducted, we could be talking about actual issues regarding the Daniels case.
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Well, the wider point is what's important: Admit when you lack expertise, especially if an expert is actually available. Instead of throwing the whole conversation off into some insane side-debate about how disciplinary proceedings are conducted, we could be talking about actual issues regarding the Daniels case.
Yeah, I guess you could do that. Or, and hear me out on this, we could keep pointing out the squirrels and watching the chase. Come on, you know that's fun, too.
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To save everyone else the trouble, this is the only excerpt in the article that comes close to matching the headline:

I think somebody from the SDNY is leaking,” said Robert Barnes, a Las Vegas-based trial attorney who’s taken Avenatti to task on Twitter. “The degree to which Avenatti had details implicates them badly.”
Barnes pointed out that Avenatti was reportedly spotted dining with former Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in late March. He added that Cohen could potentially sue Avenatti for invasion of privacy by illegal disclosure of banking information.


When can't anyone potentially sue anyone else over most anything??? YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN
Clearly the only acceptable way to make information public is to have Russian hackers steal it and place it on Wikileaks. If Avenatti can’t get a simple thing like that right he deserves to be sued for invasion of privacy!!!
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Well, the wider point is what's important: Admit when you lack expertise, especially if an expert is actually available. Instead of throwing the whole conversation off into some insane side-debate about how disciplinary proceedings are conducted, we could be talking about actual issues regarding the Daniels case.
I thought the whole case was put on hold until the investigation of the myriad of Cohens crimes was done.
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Clearly the only acceptable way to make information public is to have Russian hackers steal it and place it on Wikileaks.
Sure, one could say something like “Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the information. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

But who would be that brazen???
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No.
I am a bit surprised at that, because the assertion that the State Bar of California is not part of a state court has been demonstrably false and repeatedly demonstrated wrong. Are you sure that is the hill you want to defend.
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He knew they were stolen, in fact I heard he finished first in law school class, so he should have known not to use him in his latest three ring circus.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/expert...uld-be-illegal
Your posts are getting more absurd by the moment. While the documents may not be able to be used by Avenatti in a court room, there don't seem to be any laws against Avenatti using them on television. Out of curiosity, were you so outraged about Hillary's or Leon Pannetta's emails being published on TV? I don't recall that.

What you are doing is whining about these people caught with their hand in the cookie jar. I can say fairly confidently that there will be little or no consequences for Avenatti. For Trump and Cohen? Too early to tell.
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Well, the wider point is what's important: Admit when you lack expertise, especially if an expert is actually available. Instead of throwing the whole conversation off into some insane side-debate about how disciplinary proceedings are conducted, we could be talking about actual issues regarding the Daniels case.
we are, I was talking about Avenatti's pro hac vice application and the letter I linked to yesterday. We were "sidetracked" with a specious assertion that I did not know what I was talking about, which I countered by citing to directly controlling authority.

I think it would allow things to progress if one were to admit one lacks expertise, particularly when confronted with citations to the actual experts, the California Supreme Court.
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I thought the whole case was put on hold until the investigation of the myriad of Cohens crimes was done.
The case in California was stayed, the case in SDNY involving the Cohen documents and in which Avenatti is trying to file an appearance pro hac vice is pending.

Very curious to see what Wood is going to do.
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Now to the larger point, to suggest that a lawyer does not have to disclose pending ethics investigations in the State Bar of California because of a technical (and completely wrong interpretation) of the procedure is absolutely specious.
The person who has to be worried about an ethics investigation is Michael Cohen, who committed a rather blatant instance of conflict of interest by accepting money from clients who wanted information on Trump while at the same time continuing to act as Trump's attorney.
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I am a bit surprised at that, because the assertion that the State Bar of California is not part of a state court has been demonstrably false and repeatedly demonstrated wrong. Are you sure that is the hill you want to defend.
You're argument is wrong and it doesn't matter. The second part is more important than the first, to me.
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
The person who has to be worried about an ethics investigation is Michael Cohen, who committed a rather blatant instance of conflict of interest by accepting money from clients who wanted information on Trump while at the same time continuing to act as Trump's attorney.
I think Mr. Cohen has bigger concerns, but I am sure that you would agree that Mr. Avenatti already is the subject of an ethics investigation and should be concerned about a new one arising out of use of purloined documents.
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Old 10th May 2018, 01:45 PM   #194
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we are, I was talking about Avenatti's pro hac vice application and the letter I linked to yesterday. We were "sidetracked" with a specious assertion that I did not know what I was talking about, which I countered by citing to directly controlling authority.

I think it would allow things to progress if one were to admit one lacks expertise, particularly when confronted with citations to the actual experts, the California Supreme Court.
I just saw on Rachel Maddow's show that the Korean Aerospace company said it paid Essential Consultants LLC to help with their internal accounting system And had no idea of the connection to President Trump.

AT&T didn't pay Essential Consultants LLC $200,000 as previously reported but $600,000
for get this 'his advice on regulatory reform at the FCC, corporate tax reform and antitrust enforcement.'

Novartis paid him a hell of a lot more for his expertise on Healthcare policy matters.

Yeah, right.

Thanks Avenatti.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I think Mr. Cohen has bigger concerns, but I am sure that you would agree that Mr. Avenatti already is the subject of an ethics investigation and should be concerned about a new one arising out of use of purloined documents.
I doubt that they are investigating Avenatti. They may be trying to find out how he procured the information. The problem of course is all this information is in an easily accessible to thousands of people database.
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I think Mr. Cohen has bigger concerns, but I am sure that you would agree that Mr. Avenatti already is the subject of an ethics investigation and should be concerned about a new one arising out of use of purloined documents.
I haven't been keeping up with the news, so I hadn't heard that he is the subject of an ethics investigation. Where and by whom?
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
I haven't been keeping up with the news, so I hadn't heard that he is the subject of an ethics investigation. Where and by whom?
I'll save TBD from responding. He isn't.
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You're argument is wrong and it doesn't matter. The second part is more important than the first, to me.
My analysis is absolutely 100% correct, oh well, I say so, the Cali Supreme Court says so and the State Bar of California says so, against the two of you. 3-2, that is an affirmance, feel free to write your dissent if you wish.

It is important because it directly relates to the action pending before Kimba Wood and Stormy's role in that action, if any.
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That explanation makes no sense.

This is an unrelated to stormy daniels email from april 11th.
What's the ABC story the email refers to? I don't know, I'm just saying what Avenatti said about Cohen's communication with Daniels' lawyer that Avenatti now has possession of.

If Cohen continued to send emails to Davidson, maybe he continued to forward them to Avenatti.
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post


Davidson is colluding with Trump therefor he sent Avenatti this email ?

Can you please explain further, I must be missing something.
I don't know enough about McDougal's or Daniels' claims about Davidson failing to act in their best interests, or indeed McDougal's claim in court that Davidson was colluding with Cohen, but this email was dated 11th April.

It looks as though it was announced that Davidson was cooperating shortly afterwards, say April 19th.

Potentially, Davidson had been colluding with Cohen, but then turned against him and decided that having civil legal cases tying him up would help.

Again, this is pretty baseless speculation - I am really just thinking aloud what it might mean.
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