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Old 11th May 2018, 02:56 PM   #121
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Wow, a private company wants to make money off of a patent it owns. How Shocking.
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Old 11th May 2018, 03:09 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
I couldn’t care less
And the beauty of your statement is that he lies to everyone, including you, each and every day.
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Old 11th May 2018, 03:27 PM   #123
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I got a sick feeling that we all are giving logger exactly what he wants.....
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Old 11th May 2018, 03:42 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
"You think our country's so innocent?"
There is no reason for me to explain the difference since you cannot see already.
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Old 11th May 2018, 03:49 PM   #125
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I did. Donnie sure seems anxious to be buddy buddy with the leader of a country you called "corrupt".
Of course that is ridiculous, it isn’t based in fact, it’s based on this strange hatred towards this president.
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Old 11th May 2018, 04:40 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
There is no reason for me to explain the difference since you cannot see already.
LOL. It is you who is failing to see.
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Old 11th May 2018, 06:06 PM   #127
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Giuliani just went ahead and said that Trump was involved in DOJ decision on proposed AT&T Time Warner merger: “The president denied the merger. They didn’t get the result they wanted.”
Guess Trump hasn't been as hands off with the DoJ as he claimed.
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Old 11th May 2018, 06:26 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Lol, really?

If he approved the merger, I can guess what you would be saying.
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Old 11th May 2018, 06:27 PM   #129
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LOL. It is you who is failing to see.
I see clearly what this country is and isn’t. Of course we’ve seen for decades what the left thinks of our great country.
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Old 11th May 2018, 08:25 PM   #130
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I see clearly what this country is and isn’t. Of course we’ve seen for decades what the left thinks of our great country.
The US's greatness in the international sphere derived first from her providing a haven for oppressed peoples, as expressed so well by the Statue of Liberty. Second, by righteousness in advocating the rule of law. Third, by industriousness in creating an arsenal to help beat back the worst offenders, and fourth, shaping a period of global stability to be much thankful for. I omit other aspects for brevity.

We cannot slap on the blinders and insist that it shall ever be so. Indications of a worrisome trend are well evident. Trump is attempting to sour the nation on admitting people of color, violating the admirable words of Lady Liberty. Trump is gaslighting the nation into questioning the very foundation of legality. Trump is indicating a willingness to threaten use of the mighty arsenal at his disposal recklessly and in fits of pique. And his rash actions regarding trade policy and international agreements can hardly inspire confidence of stability.

The seductively appealing words of a populist, whose needs for adulation are a dangerous mix with his own amorality, must be seen for what they are; a tool for his own aggrandizement. It's all about him, with no consideration for you. The credulous fellow travelers that make up Trump's immoveable base remind me all too well of the adoring crowds that lined the roadways in films of another notorious Leader in his early days of power, before his mania brought about ruin on a colossal scale.

One must ever have an eye to history, so as to keep things in perspective. Too many of Trump's base are blindly ignorant of history, a subject which has much to teach in matters even as fundamental as human nature. At times it can come down pretty much to just one individual to monumentally shape the course of history for many. And with a coterie of deluded believers avidly, slavishly accepting all their prophet propounds, an amoral populist can all the more readily have his malign intentions realized.

The US's continued greatness, in the short term, will come down to resisting these stirrings of Fascism. Most, if not all of Trump's supporters would be offended to be told that they embody at least Fascistic tendencies, not being willing to consider that they are very like those Italian and German citizens who joyfully witnessed the rise of their respective Leaders.

Perhaps the US *needs* to suffer this convulsion in order to realize that democracy is *not* a given, that it must be fought for, with untiring vigilance against those forces which would threaten it. Complacency is the handmaiden to idle hands, which we know is the playground of the Devil. Even a complacent acceptance of Trumpism, let alone fervent support, is dangerous.
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Old 11th May 2018, 08:37 PM   #131
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
The US's greatness in the international sphere derived first from her providing a haven for oppressed peoples, as expressed so well by the Statue of Liberty. Second, by righteousness in advocating the rule of law. Third, by industriousness in creating an arsenal to help beat back the worst offenders, and fourth, shaping a period of global stability to be much thankful for. I omit other aspects for brevity.

We cannot slap on the blinders and insist that it shall ever be so. Indications of a worrisome trend are well evident. Trump is attempting to sour the nation on admitting people of color, violating the admirable words of Lady Liberty. Trump is gaslighting the nation into questioning the very foundation of legality. Trump is indicating a willingness to threaten use of the mighty arsenal at his disposal recklessly and in fits of pique. And his rash actions regarding trade policy and international agreements can hardly inspire confidence of stability.

The seductively appealing words of a populist, whose needs for adulation are a dangerous mix with his own amorality, must be seen for what they are; a tool for his own aggrandizement. It's all about him, with no consideration for you. The credulous fellow travelers that make up Trump's immoveable base remind me all too well of the adoring crowds that lined the roadways in films of another notorious Leader in his early days of power, before his mania brought about ruin on a colossal scale.

One must ever have an eye to history, so as to keep things in perspective. Too many of Trump's base are blindly ignorant of history, a subject which has much to teach in matters even as fundamental as human nature. At times it can come down pretty much to just one individual to monumentally shape the course of history for many. And with a coterie of deluded believers avidly, slavishly accepting all their prophet propounds, an amoral populist can all the more readily have his malign intentions realized.

The US's continued greatness, in the short term, will come down to resisting these stirrings of Fascism. Most, if not all of Trump's supporters would be offended to be told that they embody at least Fascistic tendencies, not being willing to consider that they are very like those Italian and German citizens who joyfully witnessed the rise of their respective Leaders.

Perhaps the US *needs* to suffer this convulsion in order to realize that democracy is *not* a given, that it must be fought for, with untiring vigilance against those forces which would threaten it. Complacency is the handmaiden to idle hands, which we know is the playground of the Devil. Even a complacent acceptance of Trumpism, let alone fervent support, is dangerous.
Sadly, not a bit of critical thinking here, just more liberal platitudes.

The United States of America is incapable of producing a dictator. It is not even worth entertaining this ridiculous notion.
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Old 11th May 2018, 08:58 PM   #132
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
... Perhaps the US *needs* to suffer this convulsion in order to realize that democracy is *not* a given, that it must be fought for, with untiring vigilance against those forces which would threaten it. Complacency is the handmaiden to idle hands, which we know is the playground of the Devil. Even a complacent acceptance of Trumpism, let alone fervent support, is dangerous.
Gawd I hope people figure this out. Because there is a very big cesspool out there we'll be sinking into if we don't.
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Old 11th May 2018, 09:12 PM   #133
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I see clearly what this country is and isn’t. Of course we’ve seen for decades what the left thinks of our great country.
What you are failing to see is that I was quoting that famous liberal, Donald Trump. LMFAO
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Gawd I hope people figure this out. Because there is a very big cesspool out there we'll be sinking into if we don't.
Gawd? Lol

I find it fascinating that the left thinks they are the guaranteers of democracy. The “right” isn’t taking my freedoms, it is always the left. The right isn’t demanding safe spaces, it’s the left, so they don’t have to hear free speech. The right isn’t raising my taxes, putting more burdens on my business, it is always, always, always the ******* disgusting left.
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What you are failing to see is that I was quoting that famous liberal, Donald Trump. LMFAO
He was a democrat.
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Old 11th May 2018, 09:43 PM   #136
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Gawd? Lol

I find it fascinating that the left thinks they are the guaranteers of democracy. The “right” isn’t taking my freedoms, it is always the left. The right isn’t demanding safe spaces, it’s the left, so they don’t have to hear free speech. The right isn’t raising my taxes, putting more burdens on my business, it is always, always, always the ******* disgusting left.
You “find it fascinating“ that you’ve made up a little cartoon not much tethered to reality?
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Old 11th May 2018, 09:49 PM   #137
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He was a democrat.
Not at the time of the quote. LOL
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Old 12th May 2018, 01:06 AM   #138
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Trump didn't know about the payments to Cohen. Also, he didn't know about the payments to Stormy.
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The “right” isn’t taking my freedoms, it is always the left.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” - Donald J Trump.

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The right isn’t demanding safe spaces, it’s the left, so they don’t have to hear free speech.
Trump ran away from the White House Correspondents Dinner because they were going to say mean things about him. After the Roast, the right whined about how people had been Roasted by a big meanie.

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The right isn’t raising my taxes, putting more burdens on my business, it is always, always, always the ******* disgusting left.
Ah yes, praise for borrowing $1.5t to give tax cuts to the richest, while increasing other costs like healthcare premiums (by up to 57% in some states), which disproportionately affect those with lower incomes.
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The two are surely related.
I don't think so. I suspect most of his money related fraud and laundering occurred before he decided to run for president and thus totally unrelated to any Russian collusion.
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It is hilarious that you think these countries would drop the United States for the stupid decision to trade with China.
International trade relations are not like on/off switches. It's not a question of dropping the USA as it is one of shifting focus. Do try get out of your black-and-white approach to politics. There's a whole lot more than binary liberal/conservative and isolation/free trade involved in such issues.

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The reason this decision isn’t so easy for these countries is because China, Russia, Iran, and many others are corrupt. It’s going to be very difficult for these countries to just ignore what we want. Trump knows this and unlike the sissy wimp democrats, he will use it to our advantage.
That's illogical. If a country is corrupt (there you go with the on/off thinking) then the monolithically government can make such decisions easier and can just ignore us.
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Trump, OTOH, is the only politician I have ever seen tell three conflicting lies in the same day, and habitually tell lies that can be refuted with about two minutes of checking. He is not only a habitual liar, he is spectacularly bad at it.
The WaPo fact checking crowd now has him up to over 9 lies per day. When he was first inaugurated he was clocking in at a little over 3 per day.
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I find it fascinating that the left thinks they are the guaranteers of democracy. The “right” isn’t taking my freedoms, it is always the left. The right isn’t demanding safe spaces, it’s the left, so they don’t have to hear free speech. The right isn’t raising my taxes, putting more burdens on my business, it is always, always, always the ******* disgusting left.
I shouldn't have to say this but it is evident that it is necessary. When someone opines here they do not represent "the left". Would it be correct for people to believe that you speak for the right - that everyone on the far right believes exactly as you do?
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Trump didn't know about the payments to Cohen. Also, he didn't know about the payments to Stormy.
How do you know either of those assertions?
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As it is illegal for a federally elected official to solicit 7-figure donations, in a meeting during which Sheldon Adelson pledged $30m to the Republican party, Paul Ryan ensured he left the room before the donation was asked for
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Cohen was being paid millions for offering the possibility of getting access to the president. Not for acruallu getting access to the president, but the possibility of access

If that's not the swamp of washington dc, I don't know what is
It would be interesting to see where the money went after it hit Cohen's shell company. I'd also like to know if AT&T cut ties before or after their Time Warner merger fell through.
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Trump didn't know about the payments to Cohen. Also, he didn't know about the payments to Stormy.
...until his story changes.
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At this point, I have more respect for the dross I pull out of the shower drain than for Ryan.
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At this point, I have more respect for the dross I pull out of the shower drain than for Ryan.
I suppose you don’t respect the same liberal billionaires who give to the dems.

Of course this is a wonderful gift to the GOP, it will create a red wave.
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I don't think so. I suspect most of his money related fraud and laundering occurred before he decided to run for president and thus totally unrelated to any Russian collusion.
Maybe you missed some of the news like Kushner going to the Saudi Prince with classified intel to trade for a bailout of his NY property?

Did you miss the meeting at Trump Tower to get sanctions overturned? The change in the GOP platform about the Ukraine? Backing out of Syria (with the exception of a few actions to look like we're still fighting) giving the Russians a free hand? Money flowing into Mar-a-Lago from foreign governments? The leak of classified intel to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister by Trump just after the election? The money that flowed to Trump via the inaugural fund? Money that flowed to the RNC via Russian donations? Both Cohen's and Manafort's direct connections to the Ukraine?

This administration is awash in criminal enterprising. We don't yet know the extent of it but it looks like Mueller does.
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Wow, a private company wants to make money off of a patent it owns. How Shocking.
The concerning thing is that the prices of a lot of drugs that are out of patent have gone up substantially. Generics (out of patent) drugs should be associated with a fall in price. Pyrimethamine (daraprim) is the exemplar, the patent holder (NB it was discovered by a UK company), produced it for about a dollar a dose, the price did not really fall when it came out of patent. The US rights to manufacture were bought by a US company, the price in the US then was increased a thousand fold, the original patent holder continued to produce and sell in Europe for dollars. This shows the issue is not solely related to research, it is not related to manufacturing costs. It is related to the balance of ethics and profit motive. Famously Elli Lilly refused to patent streptomycin the first anti-TB drug because it was too important.

It may well be costs and risks are considerably higher in the US, litigation results in much higher pay outs in the US than elsewhere, companies appear to have to 'donate' much larger amounts of money to politicians in the US than they would be allowed to in Europe. Advertising is more restricted in Europe. There may well be other structural reasons for higher drug costs in the US.

Costs of research are higher because the US requires drug trials to be carried out in the US, more costly than if carried out elsewhere.

It is an easy and xenophobic response to claim that the US is subsidising drugs elsewhere, but objectively that is not true.

Am J Public Health. 2010 June; 100(6): 1075–1080.
doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2009.178491
US Pharmaceutical Innovation in an International Context

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Objectives. We explored whether the United States, which does not regulate pharmaceutical prices, is responsible for the development of a disproportionate share of the new molecular entities (NMEs; a drug that does not contain an active moiety previously approved by the Food and Drug Administration) produced worldwide.

Methods. We collected data on NMEs approved between 1992 and 2004 and assigned each NME to an inventor country. We examined the relation between the proportion of total NMEs developed in each country and the proportion of total prescription drug spending and gross domestic product (GDP) of each country represented.

Results. The United States accounted for 42% of prescription drug spending and 40% of the total GDP among innovator countries and was responsible for the development of 43.7% of the NMEs. The United Kingdom, Switzerland, and a few other countries innovated proportionally more than their contribution to GDP or prescription drug spending, whereas Japan, South Korea, and a few other countries innovated less.

Conclusions. Higher prescription drug spending in the United States does not disproportionately privilege domestic innovation, and many countries with drug price regulation were significant contributors to pharmaceutical innovation.
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On the day the WHO announces a new Ebola outbreak Trump called to rescind rescind $252 million that had been set aside specifically for the purpose of dealing with Ebola outbreaks referring to it as “irresponsible federal spending,”


Timothy Ziemer, the top White House official in charge of coordinating the national response to deadly pandemics, abruptly left the administration, the global health security team that Ziemer oversaw was disbanded upon his exit.


https://shareblue.com/trump-white-ho...security-team/
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Sadly, not a bit of critical thinking here, just more liberal platitudes.

The United States of America is incapable of producing a dictator. It is not even worth entertaining this ridiculous notion.
Actually I think the US has produced multiple dictators, just none of them of the US.
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CNN headlines reads that Trump saved $1 billion in the Embassy move.

He could have saved more by not moving it.

Wife to husband. "I know we do not need them but they were on sale so I saved us a whole lot of money."

ETA: And not counting the cost of any possible destruction of a peace deal.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
On the day the WHO announces a new Ebola outbreak Trump called to rescind rescind $252 million that had been set aside specifically for the purpose of dealing with Ebola outbreaks referring to it as “irresponsible federal spending,”
Of course it is. That money could have been given to American CEOs.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Actually, numerous studies have shown Wikipedia to be a mostly accurate source of information, particularly for matters of fact rather than hearsay. If your worry is truly that of recent edits, then you can check easily by going to the edit history and seeing who edited what, when, and for what reason. Almost all major edits will have an entry on the relevant discussion page, too.

Not to mention that the footnoting provided is a resource in itself. One which easily makes up for the immediacy of any wiki article edits, since you can go to the sources they used and draw your own conclusions.
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Sure, why wouldn’t two corrupt countries continue to trade.

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France has given notice that they are going to continue to trade with Iran.

Make that three corrupt countries.

I don't expect them to be the last.
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
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When Trump is finally out of the playpen, it will be open season on him and that's gonna chafe like crazy. Watching while what he likes to believe are his personal achievements are being dismantled in much the same way as he's gone about his vindictive presidency, will make his blood boil and we can look forward to hearing his twitter tantrums for a while after he goes. He's certainly not going to display the decorum that past US leaders have post-presidency. Shame.

Only if they put him somewhere with enough privileges to use his Twitter account.
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I don't think so. I suspect most of his money related fraud and laundering occurred before he decided to run for president and thus totally unrelated to any Russian collusion.

If his money related fraud and laundering are being used by the Russians to ensure his compliance then they are definitely related.

Not to mention the possible existence of any potentially embarrassing videos.
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
I shouldn't have to say this but it is evident that it is necessary. When someone opines here they do not represent "the left". Would it be correct for people to believe that you speak for the right - that everyone on the far right believes exactly as you do?

When that "far right" consists of everyone so far to the right that they have fallen right off the edge of reality, then yeah ... it's probably correct.
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