What are some good resources debunking Dr. Pall?

Safe-Keeper · 6th April 2019, 12:03 PM

So in discussions about cell phone radiation, Martin Pall's name keeps popping up, with claims about how non-ionising radiation causes everything from cancer to autism, and I haven't been able to find any good sources debunking him. Anyone have any good resources they would like to share

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Georgio · 6th April 2019, 01:40 PM

Sorry, all I can contribute is that I thought it said 'Dr. Phil'

Axxman300 · 6th April 2019, 03:49 PM

American Cancer Society:

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...ar-phones.html

National Cancer Institute:

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nes-fact-sheet

gabeygoat · 7th April 2019, 07:30 AM

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/non...tic-radiation/

bknight · 7th April 2019, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

American Cancer Society:

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...ar-phones.html

National Cancer Institute:

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nes-fact-sheet

While I agree with the findings so far, the long term effects are not completely understood.

Safe-Keeper · 7th April 2019, 09:31 AM

Thanks for the links, but I wondered if anyone had something about Pall specifically

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Georgio · 7th April 2019, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Thanks for the links, but I wondered if anyone had something about Pall specifically

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Do you watch a youtube channel called 'Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader'? The vast majority of his content is debunking exactly that sort of thing (miracle cures, universal bad thing causers etc.) that he finds online so he may well know about him.

Safe-Keeper · 7th April 2019, 11:19 AM

Thanks, I've actually started following a couple sceptics on YouTube, but I didn't know about him

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Georgio · 7th April 2019, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Thanks, I've actually started following a couple sceptics on YouTube, but I didn't know about him

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I would say he's your absolute best bet for knowing something about this Pall guy; people like him really are his bread and butter, and he covers some pretty obscure ones as well; hard to believe they're real people at times but they are - we're talking 'living on sunlight' and 'microwaves are the cause of all the world's problems' level stuff

There's also someone called Myles Power, but he tends to debunk quite mainstream quackery whereas Sir Sic seems to very much focus on the obscure ones.

dann · 12th April 2019, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Georgio

Do you watch a youtube channel called 'Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader'? The vast majority of his content is debunking exactly that sort of thing (miracle cures, universal bad thing causers etc.) that he finds online so he may well know about him.

Sure?!

Quote:

Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader is a popular, far-right YouTube channel. The British host provides social and political commentary on current events in world politics and pop culture. The host is anti-feminist, anti-SJW, anti-BLM, anti-immigration, and anti-LGBT.
Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader (everipedia.org)

kellyb · 12th April 2019, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by dann

Sure?!

I looked through his videos, and he really is all about commenting on "woo" now, topic-wise.

gigmaster · 14th April 2019, 10:30 PM

There is a little research that seems to support at least some of Dr. Palls positions, but it's a long way from being conclusive. It certainly merits more study.

Gingervytes · 17th April 2019, 06:14 AM

Cell phone vs the sun

ahhell · 17th April 2019, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by dann

Sure?!

Originally Posted by kellyb

I looked through his videos, and he really is all about commenting on "woo" now, topic-wise.

This makes me quite curious now, that's an interesting journey. Also, the name makes much more sense if he was just a right wing commentator.

6th April 2019, 12:03 PM	#1
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,617	What are some good resources debunking Dr. Pall? So in discussions about cell phone radiation, Martin Pall's name keeps popping up, with claims about how non-ionising radiation causes everything from cancer to autism, and I haven't been able to find any good sources debunking him. Anyone have any good resources they would like to share ?
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7th April 2019, 09:31 AM	#6
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,617	Thanks for the links, but I wondered if anyone had something about Pall specifically .
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,617	__________________ "He's like a drunk being given a sobriety test by the police after being pulled over. Just as a drunk can't walk a straight line, Trump can't think in a straight line. He's all over the place." --Stacyhs

7th April 2019, 08:49 AM	#5
bknight Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,864	Originally Posted by Axxman300 American Cancer Society: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...ar-phones.html National Cancer Institute: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nes-fact-sheet While I agree with the findings so far, the long term effects are not completely understood.

7th April 2019, 10:26 AM	#7
Georgio Muse Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 634	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Thanks for the links, but I wondered if anyone had something about Pall specifically . Do you watch a youtube channel called 'Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader'? The vast majority of his content is debunking exactly that sort of thing (miracle cures, universal bad thing causers etc.) that he finds online so he may well know about him.
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7th April 2019, 11:19 AM	#8
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,617	Thanks, I've actually started following a couple sceptics on YouTube, but I didn't know about him .
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,617	__________________ "He's like a drunk being given a sobriety test by the police after being pulled over. Just as a drunk can't walk a straight line, Trump can't think in a straight line. He's all over the place." --Stacyhs

7th April 2019, 03:06 PM	#9
Georgio Muse Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 634	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Thanks, I've actually started following a couple sceptics on YouTube, but I didn't know about him . I would say he's your absolute best bet for knowing something about this Pall guy; people like him really are his bread and butter, and he covers some pretty obscure ones as well; hard to believe they're real people at times but they are - we're talking 'living on sunlight' and 'microwaves are the cause of all the world's problems' level stuff There's also someone called Myles Power, but he tends to debunk quite mainstream quackery whereas Sir Sic seems to very much focus on the obscure ones.
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12th April 2019, 02:35 PM	#10
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,125	Originally Posted by Georgio Do you watch a youtube channel called 'Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader'? The vast majority of his content is debunking exactly that sort of thing (miracle cures, universal bad thing causers etc.) that he finds online so he may well know about him. Sure?! Quote: Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader is a popular, far-right YouTube channel. The British host provides social and political commentary on current events in world politics and pop culture. The host is anti-feminist, anti-SJW, anti-BLM, anti-immigration, and anti-LGBT. Sir Sic The Social Inequality Crusader (everipedia.org)
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kellyb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12,631	Originally Posted by dann Sure?! I looked through his videos, and he really is all about commenting on "woo" now, topic-wise.
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14th April 2019, 10:30 PM	#12
gigmaster Scholar Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Chatsworth, Ga. USA Posts: 74	There is a little research that seems to support at least some of Dr. Palls positions, but it's a long way from being conclusive. It certainly merits more study.

17th April 2019, 06:14 AM	#13
Gingervytes Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 286	Cell phone vs the sun

17th April 2019, 07:03 AM	#14
ahhell Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 2,762	Originally Posted by dann Sure?! Originally Posted by kellyb I looked through his videos, and he really is all about commenting on "woo" now, topic-wise. This makes me quite curious now, that's an interesting journey. Also, the name makes much more sense if he was just a right wing commentator.
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