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Old 29th March 2019, 05:59 PM   #3561
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I pick up what Jesus says not anybody else. He told the apostles to not take any money for their work but what was given to them for free from their surplus. That's what i say you work for free and you benefit from the work of your neighbour free of charge.
But Jesus also told Peter to take the coin from the fish's mouth to pay the temple tax. Jesus told the parable of the man who was rewarded for investing bags of gold
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Old 29th March 2019, 06:14 PM   #3562
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
I pick up what Jesus says not anybody else. He told the apostles to not take any money for their work but what was given to them for free from their surplus. That's what i say you work for free and you benefit from the work of your neighbour free of charge.
We aren't apostles. He wasn't talking to us. He was talking to us when he said, "the laborer deserves his wages".

You serve Satan and Trump when you deliberately misinterpret what Jesus said.

You're wrong and you know you've lost.
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Old 31st March 2019, 07:27 AM   #3563
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You continue in your blindness: You cannot have to master God and money. If this is God this is not money. If you use money, you live the Cesar or Satan way, not the way of God.
Money exists; gods do not. Money, and its effects, are tangible; gods are not.

As many have pointed out, nobody serves money. Money serves us. It allows us to freely trade our labor and resources for the labor and resources of others. It's a medium of exchange. It's perhaps the greatest source of stability in the world. It allows for specialization. I'm can focus on doing whatever it is that I do for a living without much concern in knowing what to do if the weevils are in the wheat.
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Old 31st March 2019, 11:29 AM   #3564
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It's perhaps the greatest source of stability in the world.
It's only valid for the white supremacists.
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Old 31st March 2019, 11:34 AM   #3565
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It's only valid for the white supremacists.
If you think you're an apostle of Jesus, you should get rid of all your money. However, you haven't. You're being disobedient and are following Satan.

Instead, you're trying to get everyone else to get rid of their money. The people who Jesus said "derserve their wages".

You don't believe what Jesus said. You choose to follow Satan and Trump instead.
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Old 31st March 2019, 10:40 PM   #3566
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It's only valid for the white supremacists.
Gaetan, have you gone wackadoodle?

Money is an inanimate object. It is not good or evil. We could use food as compensation for work and it would not be different than money. It would just be a different means of exchange. Society became more civilized and modern with the use of money because people could store money and it doesn't spoil like food and can be used and/or stored.
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Old 1st April 2019, 10:57 AM   #3567
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It's only valid for the white supremacists.
And everyone else on the planet.

Ever notice that, not once, did Jesus tell his people to stop tithes? Funny that.
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Old 1st April 2019, 12:09 PM   #3568
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And everyone else on the planet.
Tell that to Venezuelans
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Old 1st April 2019, 12:21 PM   #3569
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Tell that to Venezuelans
Why haven't you given up money as Jesus commanded? Why are you demanding everyone else give it up while you refuse to?
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Old 1st April 2019, 02:12 PM   #3570
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Tell that to Venezuelans
This article might help explain Gaetan's view point.

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Money has a bad reputation with people who don't have it.
It has been blamed for everything from wars to infidelity, from destroying friendships to wrecking families. In the minds of the masses, the more ways they can demonize money, the more validated they feel for not seeking their own fortunes.

Instead of seeing the positive ways that money can enhance the most important things in life like our health, family relationships, and friendships, most people would rather scorn money and tell you how it can destroy the things we hold closest to our hearts.

Don't listen to negative people who don't know any better. The truth is money is not the most important thing in life, but it will make the most important things in life so much better.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...in-life-2015-8
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Old 1st April 2019, 03:48 PM   #3571
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Tell that to Venezuelans
Sure.

Dear Venezuela, you were sold a broken economic system. When you bought communism, you should have done your research and you would have seen it's a lemon. It's never worked. Should have never put your money into it. Hopefully this will serve as a warning to other to never dabble in this broken system.

The good news is that you put yourself in this hole and you can get yourself out of it. Don't listen to people like Gaetan who will tell you that a no money system works. You are living in that right now and clearly it's not working. Remove Maduro and get back to some semblance of a representative government and you will be surprised how fast your economy and lives return.

But I'm not telling you something you don't already know.

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You, will of course, deny all of this. Maduro has chased out everyone with more than 2 dimes to rub together. By nationalizing various industries, he has seized money, and devalued it to the point that money is worthless.

What would you say to the people of Venezuela? They are living in your no money world. They are, by all effects, working for free. The money they get is useless. It should be paradise? But it's not. If it were, you wouldn't need to bring it up.
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Has Gaetan been right about anything yet?
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Venezuela is a perfect example of how society would be set back to the dark ages with the introduction of socialism (no money).

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SOCIALISM SET BACK VENEZUELA’S ECONOMY 200 YEARS

Venezuela has become a byword and warning to all the nations of the world.

It is a terrible example of the cost of embracing socialism and allowing authoritarian politicians to “run a train on the progressive agenda” in your country.
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Things fall apart.

They have a way of falling apart faster under socialism. We’re always swimming with the current trying to get ahead, or keep up, and in a free country we’re able to do so.

But when socialism happens you can’t get ahead of the current no matter how hard you kick, so people stop putting in the effort and things fall apart very fast.

It becomes a race to the bottom.

This is what happened in Venezuela after Hugo Chavez announced he would be bringing “21st-century socialism” to the South American country by nationalizing the country’s oil industry to fund government welfare programs:
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“The public transportation system collapsed last year. Those who have a vehicle wait hours to fill the tanks. Fuel shortages are rampant.”
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Old 2nd April 2019, 08:23 AM   #3574
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
Venezuela is a perfect example of how society would be set back to the dark ages with the introduction of socialism (no money).
Venezuela is a perfect exemple of the criminality of the US governments and the cia to get rid of a socialist government to steal the goods of Venezuelans. When will you elect a president that is not a perfect criminal? You have a good chance to elect good people as Miss Ocasio-Cortez or Mr. Bernie Sanders for the presidency, don't miss your chance because it could be the last one before the chaos and the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Venezuela is a perfect exemple of the criminality of the US governments and the cia to get rid of a socialist government to steal the goods of Venezuelans. When will you elect a president that is not a perfect criminal? You have a good chance to elect good people as Miss Ocasio-Cortez or Mr. Bernie Sanders for the presidency, don't miss your chance because it could be the last one before the chaos and the end of the world.
Besides the fact that Venezuela absolutely crumbled under the policies enacted by Chavez and embraced by Maduro, what evidence do you have the CIA did anything, or needed to do anything, to make it collapse? Did the CIA tie the economy of Venezuela to 80 bucks a barrel of crude? Nope, that was Chavez. Did the CIA fail to make any changes to this economic crisis when oil dropped to 40? Nope, that was Maduro and Chavez. Why is it they can not take any of the blame for their own actions?

The only people stealing the resources of the Venezuelans are the leadership of that country. Nobody likes to be stolen from, so when companies, like Goodyear, see the writing on the wall, they take the best way out they can, before Maduro can steal it from them. The threat of thievery chases out resources. Again, that falls squarely on the shoulders of Maduro.

It's been pointed out to you that AOC isn't old enough to run for president. So why do you continue to pretend that she could run for president?

Yes, Bernie is a "good" socialist. You can tell that by the millions of dollars in his personal bank account and the number of homes he owns. Good, in the sense of traditional. The powerful use their positions to enrich themselves and only themselves. Which is exactly what Bernie has done.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Venezuela is a perfect exemple of the criminality of the US governments and the cia to get rid of a socialist government to steal the goods of Venezuelans. When will you elect a president that is not a perfect criminal? You have a good chance to elect good people as Miss Ocasio-Cortez or Mr. Bernie Sanders for the presidency, don't miss your chance because it could be the last one before the chaos and the end of the world.
Considering that Russia got Venezuela's gold reserves that puts the lie to your post.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Venezuela is a perfect exemple of the criminality of the US governments and the cia to get rid of a socialist government to steal the goods of Venezuelans. When will you elect a president that is not a perfect criminal? You have a good chance to elect good people as Miss Ocasio-Cortez or Mr. Bernie Sanders for the presidency, don't miss your chance because it could be the last one before the chaos and the end of the world.
Miss Ocasio Cortez and Mr. Sanders both use money. And being in congress, they make a lot more money than the average Joe on the street.

Gaetan likes them because they claim to want to give away free stuff but the reality is that they are like evil kings giving a pittance to the poor while they live in luxury in the Castle.

Venezuela is a good example of what we have described on this forum as to what will happen if we implement socialism. There is chaos, shortages of fuel and other commodities and misery all over the place.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Venezuela is a perfect exemple of the criminality of the US governments and the cia to get rid of a socialist government to steal the goods of Venezuelans. When will you elect a president that is not a perfect criminal? You have a good chance to elect good people as Miss Ocasio-Cortez or Mr. Bernie Sanders for the presidency, don't miss your chance because it could be the last one before the chaos and the end of the world.
Why do you not do as Jesus commanded you and get rid of all your money while the rest of us "deserve our wages"? Why do you continue to worship Satan and Trump?
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Old 2nd April 2019, 11:27 AM   #3579
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Why do you not do as Jesus commanded you and get rid of all your money
Because it is action we have to take collectively. If i say to my employer: ''You don't have to pay me'' I'll have problem to pay my bills as anybody else. Bad faith question.
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Because it is action we have to take collectively. If i say to my employer: ''You don't have to pay me'' I'll have problem to pay my bills as anybody else. Bad faith question.
If it's your idea, you should be the first to take a leap of faith to get the program started.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Because it is action we have to take collectively. If i say to my employer: ''You don't have to pay me'' I'll have problem to pay my bills as anybody else. Bad faith question.
So Jesus was just making suggestions and not demands of his followers?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Because it is action we have to take collectively. If i say to my employer: ''You don't have to pay me'' I'll have problem to pay my bills as anybody else. Bad faith question.
No, it was a great question that got a bad faith answer. Jesus only commanded the apostles to not accept money. Everyone else "the laborer deserves his wages".

Why do you not tell the truth about what Jesus commanded?
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Old 3rd April 2019, 06:56 PM   #3583
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Jesus only commanded the apostles to not accept money.
I know since the beginning that you are an apostle of Jesus but Satan. Repent.

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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
I know since the beginning that you are an apostle of Jesus but Satan. Repent.
Since you choose to deny Jesus's words, you are a follower of Satan and Trump. Get rid of your money before it's too late!

Can we still have free sex workers?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
I know since the beginning that you are an apostle of Jesus but Satan. Repent.
Since you have admitted you don't follow Jesus's rules, who are you following?
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I know since the beginning that you are an apostle of Jesus but Satan. Repent.
Gaetan,

I've heard that not doing God's will is a sin. You are advocating for a no money society but you admittedly continue to use money. You are asking us to do what you are unwilling to do yourself. Maybe you need to repent. When are you doing to stop using money yourself? You need starting point for your no money world but nobody will take you seriously until you take the leap of faith yourself.

Jesus never asked his disciples to things that he wouldn't do himself.
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Gaetan, I'm glad you've realized that it's insane to introduce goofy religion into adult subjects. Especially when you fail to understand either topic.

I hope you learn from the embarrassment you've suffered in realizing the egregious error you committed by misinterpreting your own goofy religious novel.

Perhaps you would have better luck with a topic you understand?
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Gaetan, I'm glad you've realized that it's insane to introduce goofy religion into adult subjects. Especially when you fail to understand either topic.

I hope you learn from the embarrassment you've suffered in realizing the egregious error you committed by misinterpreting your own goofy religious novel.

Perhaps you would have better luck with a topic you understand?
What elected criminals like Obama, Trump, Bush, Poutine and others mondial criminal leaders: MONEY of rich pigs.
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What elected criminals like Obama, Trump, Bush, Poutine and others mondial criminal leaders: MONEY of rich pigs.
How about Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, John Hagee, Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen?

Are you still mad about being so WRONG about what Jesus said?
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What elected criminals like Obama, Trump, Bush, Poutine and others mondial criminal leaders: MONEY of rich pigs.
Since you've clearly stated that you don't follow the teachings of Christ, as you understand them, why should anyone trust your definition of criminal?

I'm not a Canadian, but why the hate against Poutine? It looks and sounds amazing. French Fries, brown gravy and cheese. That sounds like good eating to me.
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French Fries, brown gravy and cheese. That sounds like good eating to me.
This is not a meal for you, excuse yourself.
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This is not a meal for you, excuse yourself.
I give zero credence to your proclamations.
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This is not a meal for you, excuse yourself.
I understand that in your embarrassment, you've taken to simply posting off topic drivel.

I won't speak for the others but I forgive you. Religion has a terrible effect on a person's ability to reason.
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Tell that to Venezuelans
Russia has Venezuelan's gold reserves.

Go ask them..
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What elected criminals like Obama, Trump, Bush, Poutine and others mondial criminal leaders: MONEY of rich pigs.
Do you now agree that money is not evil and that goofy religions like yours are?
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Russia has Venezuelan's gold reserves.

Go ask them..
It have been stolen by british banks
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Gaetan,

I've heard that not doing God's will is a sin. You are advocating for a no money society but you admittedly continue to use money. You are asking us to do what you are unwilling to do yourself. Maybe you need to repent. When are you doing to stop using money yourself? You need starting point for your no money world but nobody will take you seriously until you take the leap of faith yourself.

Jesus never asked his disciples to things that he wouldn't do himself.
Jesus said to apostle to not take money because it is a tool of unjustice
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Jesus said to apostle to not take money because it is a tool of unjustice
What did he say to everyone else about "the laborer deserves his wages"?

Do you still use money?
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Jesus said to apostle to not take money because it is a tool of unjustice
Why are you taking it then, and not following the word of Jesus?

If you don't follow the word of Jesus, as you understand it, why should anyone else?
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Your mad president wants that pipeline to take out the dirtiest mazout in the world all that of course for money profit. Could you tell him that pollution is a danger for people on this planet. One way or another money goal will finally destroy the planet and all his life.

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