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Old 11th July 2019, 10:17 PM   #1
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Mississippi Gubernatorial Candidate can't be alone with a woman not his wife

OMG here's another one of these loons.

NPR: Mississippi Gubernatorial Candidate's Condition For Female Reporter: Bring A Man
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Robert Foster made a promise to his high school sweetheart before they got married: he would never be alone with another woman he wasn't related to under any circumstances, be it in an office, a farm or a truck.

On Sunday that meant denying a female journalist's request to ride along with him as he campaigned to become Mississippi's next governor — unless she agreed to bring a male colleague along for the trip.

"I put my wife and my Christian beliefs above anyone else's feelings or opinions ... and I did not want there to be a perception that I was riding with another female and that something promiscuous was going on or anything like that," Foster, a first-term Republican state representative, explained to NPR.
This is bizarre. Is this in the Bible somewhere? Are they afraid of temptation? Of being falsely accused?

Does it apply to elderly women?

That's not romantic, it's creepy. Where's the trust in that relationship?

Do they realize this might be in compliance with Sharia Law?
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Old 11th July 2019, 10:24 PM   #2
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Old 11th July 2019, 10:29 PM   #3
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I thought of another possible reason. These guys are insecure and what they really want is their wives to make the same pledge not to be alone with a man.
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Old 11th July 2019, 10:44 PM   #5
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That's the kind of promise a closet homosexual makes.
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Old 11th July 2019, 10:59 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That's the kind of promise a closet homosexual makes.
Hmm... You might be on to something here.
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Old 11th July 2019, 11:43 PM   #8
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Could just force her into a burka so he won't see any tempting flesh.
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Old 11th July 2019, 11:49 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That's the kind of promise a closet homosexual makes.
Possibly, but I think that it's a calculated attack on the press and the #metoo movement. He is saying that she would fabricate a sexual assault allegation against him because she is part of a left wing conspiracy against "right minded" people.

This is the same message that President Trump is selling - the press is against me and women always lie when they allege sexual assault - so it's likely to be lapped up by the Mississippi GOP.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That's the kind of promise a closet homosexual makes.
I would love to see someone ask him why men don't need to be chaperoned.
If his word that he did nothing wrong with a woman he was alone with isn't trustworthy, then how can a claim that he's straight and wouldn't do anything wrong with a man be any more trustworthy?
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Originally Posted by rdaneel View Post
I would love to see someone ask him why men don't need to be chaperoned.
If his word that he did nothing wrong with a woman he was alone with isn't trustworthy, then how can a claim that he's straight and wouldn't do anything wrong with a man be any more trustworthy?
The issue isn't that he is concerned that he may not be able to contain his lustful thoughts, it's that the reporter will make a false claim of sexual assault against him because she is part of that huge left wing conspiracy - the free press.
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The issue isn't that he is concerned that he may not be able to contain his lustful thoughts, it's that the reporter will make a false claim of sexual assault against him because she is part of that huge left wing conspiracy - the free press.
But if I were an evil liberal wanting to damage his career, then having a man claim he was sexually assaulted would be just as effective wouldn't it? Even better if I can get a high school kid working for his school newspaper alone with him.
He's really underestimating the left wing conspiracy isn't he?
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The slippery slope!
We love the slippery slope, folks. We Love to see it.
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Well, the reporter's hot, but about 25 years too old for Roy Moore, so I guess she's going to have to forego getting ahold of some of that hot fundie man meat all womens want, at least in Missibama(or is that Allassippi).
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Old 12th July 2019, 12:39 AM   #15
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But if I were an evil liberal wanting to damage his career, then having a man claim he was sexually assaulted would be just as effective wouldn't it? Even better if I can get a high school kid working for his school newspaper alone with him.
He's really underestimating the left wing conspiracy isn't he?
Good call
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It always seems to be the ugly ones who go in terror that everybody wants to seduce them. Dude looks like Chucky, he's probably safe.
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That's the kind of promise a closet homosexual makes.
And am I the only person in the world who thinks Pence might be in the closet?

Maybe just because I want to think the worst about him. Not the sexuality; the hypocrisy.

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Possibly, but I think that it's a calculated attack on the press and the #metoo movement. He is saying that she would fabricate a sexual assault allegation against him because she is part of a left wing conspiracy against "right minded" people.
Well, officially he is saying it is a "moral" issue. Which means that, if you what say is true, he is lying. So not quite so moral.
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Old 12th July 2019, 06:21 AM   #21
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OMG here's another one of these loons.

NPR: Mississippi Gubernatorial Candidate's Condition For Female Reporter: Bring A ManThis is bizarre. Is this in the Bible somewhere? Are they afraid of temptation? Of being falsely accused?

Does it apply to elderly women?

That's not romantic, it's creepy. Where's the trust in that relationship?

Do they realize this might be in compliance with Sharia Law?
"Women have to assume every man is like Jeffrey Dahmer!"

"Please don't keep away from women!"

Pick One.

That being said, this is the unintended consequence of Metoo, where "Can't be accused of harassment if I'm not near a woman!" is now the default in Wall Street, and men are more reluctant to interact socially with women (After all, a miscommunication is now the first sign of turning into the next Jeffrey Dahmer).
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
"Women have to assume every man is like Jeffrey Dahmer!"

"Please don't keep away from women!"

Pick One.

That being said, this is the unintended consequence of Metoo, where "Can't be accused of harassment if I'm not near a woman!" is now the default in Wall Street, and men are more reluctant to interact socially with women (After all, a miscommunication is now the first sign of turning into the next Jeffrey Dahmer).
If that were true he'd have been happy to have a male or female chaperone. If the idea is "I don't want to get accused of some BS charge when there are no witnesses around" [at a stretch I could see that being a not-unreasonable stance in some circumstances] then the genital configuration of the third person wouldn't be relevant.
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If that were true he'd have been happy to have a male or female chaperone. If the idea is "I don't want to get accused of some BS charge when there are no witnesses around" [at a stretch I could see that being a not-unreasonable stance in some circumstances] then the genital configuration of the third person wouldn't be relevant.
Yep.

We can end this nonsense of "he is worried about false accusations."

He says explicitly it's not about that (it's about the "morals" of being alone with a woman) and the implications of his comments are that it's not about that.

It's about how he can't be trusted around women.
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If that were true he'd have been happy to have a male or female chaperone. If the idea is "I don't want to get accused of some BS charge when there are no witnesses around" [at a stretch I could see that being a not-unreasonable stance in some circumstances] then the genital configuration of the third person wouldn't be relevant.
As I said, precedents have been set, and the law of unintended consequences is a merciless beast. It's interesting to note how "Women have every reason to fear that the man next to them is Jeffrey Dahmer!" are now taking pains to say "That doesn't mean isolate us!"
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Yep.

We can end this nonsense of "he is worried about false accusations."

He says explicitly it's not about that (it's about the "morals" of being alone with a woman) and the implications of his comments are that it's not about that.

It's about how he can't be trusted around women.
I don't think he's worried about them (he's just playing to the gallery IMO), but he has specifically mentioned them:

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Mr Foster said following the #MeToo movement, "men are under attack all the time".

"I'm not going to allow myself to be put in a situation with any female where they can make an accusation against me" without someone else in attendance, he said.

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As I said, precedents have been set, and the law of unintended consequences is a merciless beast. It's interesting to note how "Women have every reason to fear that the man next to them is Jeffrey Dahmer!" are now taking pains to say "That doesn't mean isolate us!"
If only there were a third option, where women could exist alongside men without unwanted sexual attention.

It is not unreasonable to expect that powerful people will behave appropriately in the workplace. Isolation or harassment of women is a false choice and is rightly mocked.
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As I said, precedents have been set, and the law of unintended consequences is a merciless beast. It's interesting to note how "Women have every reason to fear that the man next to them is Jeffrey Dahmer!" are now taking pains to say "That doesn't mean isolate us!"

That ... doesn't actually address my point.

Look, I think the whole #metoo thing has gone too far in some cases and I do think in America at least there's a social culture which is pressured to believe accusations first and people have to prove innocence (not just sexual assault claims, either). Which is why I said in some circumstances I could see there being a basis for a man not wanting to spend extended time alone with a woman. But in those cases it would be 100% about the lack of a third party witness who would be able to refute otherwise un-disprovable (is that a word?) claims against the man. As such, the third party having an innie or an outie wouldn't matter in the least. What you'd want is someone with no strong ties to either of you, and not just the 'bring your friend who pees standing up' condition mentioned in the OP.
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I thought of another possible reason. These guys are insecure and what they really want is their wives to make the same pledge not to be alone with a man.
That's a great point. I confess that I hadn't thought of that possibility.

I heard the CNN interview, and she cleaned his clock, but she missed a few opportunities to do even better. My favorite question was when she asked "if you can't be alone with a woman how are you going to function as governor," to which he answered that he would have doors open at all times and staffers around. She really, really, really should have brought up sharia law; it could have been hilarious for him to defend that.
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That being said, this is the unintended consequence of Metoo,
Except in this case he claims to have made that promise before he was married, which puts it more than a decade before MeToo.
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As I said, precedents have been set, and the law of unintended consequences is a merciless beast. It's interesting to note how "Women have every reason to fear that the man next to them is Jeffrey Dahmer!" are now taking pains to say "That doesn't mean isolate us!"
Why the **** would women care if they were sitting next to Jeffrey Dahmer? He was a homosexual who only killed men, 17 of them to be exact. This is the 2nd or 3rd time you've brought him up and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Is he the only murderer you know? Freudian slip?
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Except in this case he claims to have made that promise before he was married, which puts it more than a decade before MeToo.
I noticed that too when the candidate mentioned it on CNN. It was both something that he had promised his wife years ago before they got married AND because of #metoo causing men to be falsely accused all of the time, which isn't true and even if it was, it started not even 2 years ago.

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It's interesting to note how "Women have every reason to fear that the man next to them is Jeffrey Dahmer!"
Yeah, that Dahmer was a real danger to women.
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The issue isn't that he is concerned that he may not be able to contain his lustful thoughts, it's that the reporter will make a false claim of sexual assault against him because she is part of that huge left wing conspiracy - the free press.
So he planned this from before he married his wife?
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
"Women have to assume every man is like Jeffrey Dahmer!"

"Please don't keep away from women!"

Pick One.

That being said, this is the unintended consequence of Metoo, where "Can't be accused of harassment if I'm not near a woman!" is now the default in Wall Street, and men are more reluctant to interact socially with women (After all, a miscommunication is now the first sign of turning into the next Jeffrey Dahmer).
@ The Don also:

I don't think there's evidence for this POV. If that were the case, why is it couched in extremist religiosity?
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I don't think he's worried about them (he's just playing to the gallery IMO), but he has specifically mentioned them:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48954303
This is in your link:
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He cited the late Christian evangelist Billy Graham, who had said he would not spend time alone with any woman who was not his wife, as well as Vice-President Mike Pence, who has said he will not eat alone with a woman other than his wife.
This is not about #MeToo but it's curious why that's the first thing some people in this thread think.
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I noticed that too when the candidate mentioned it on CNN. It was both something that he had promised his wife years ago before they got married AND because of #metoo causing men to be falsely accused all of the time, which isn't true and even if it was, it started not even 2 years ago..
And notice that, even when there are accusations made about what has happened in one of these private encounters, the defense is usually "Huh? I didn't do anything" but we hear, "She misinterpreted my intentions."

Just like the false accusations of rape are issues of almost never about whether they had sex, but whether it was consensual.
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Why the **** would women care if they were sitting next to Jeffrey Dahmer? He was a homosexual who only killed men, 17 of them to be exact. This is the 2nd or 3rd time you've brought him up and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Is he the only murderer you know? Freudian slip?
Dahmer was more of a "Go to for gruesome serial killers", and such sentiment is popular with "Bowl of M&Ms" logic

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Except in this case he claims to have made that promise before he was married, which puts it more than a decade before MeToo.
And Metoo gave it a lot more fuel to keep it going.
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
Dahmer was more of a "Go to for gruesome serial killers", and such sentiment is popular with "Bowl of M&Ms" logic



And Metoo gave it a lot more fuel to keep it going.
In other words, you got nothing.
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If a person thinks of the Billy graham rule as something akin to a same sex stand-in at the doctor's office, then it makes some sort of sense. But it has a downside.

https://pulpitandpen.org/2016/12/06/...-common-sense/

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Harrelson said it is unrealistic to expect a female pastor to minister to her flock without ever winding up alone with a church member of the opposite sex.

“Whether you are doing hospital visitations, counseling or worship preparation, there will always be times when you find yourself alone with a member of another gender,” she said. “Rules like the Billy Graham rule only hinder women from stepping fully into the ministries God has called them to.”

Capps said Pence’s rules for marriage are between him and his wife, but his personal values should not influence how he selects professionals to work with him or for him in public service.

“I can see how that could naturally lead to favoring men over women,” she said. “That would be discrimination.”
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So Robert Foster won't be alone with a woman because she might actually be Jeffrey Dahmer and accuse him of rape.

Sure that makes sense.
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