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Old 9th July 2019, 02:52 PM   #2041
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Which was utterly obvious given that that part of the video was about the "Commander in Chief" whilst discussing the President and Donald Trump and this thread is about Trump's mental health.

It's a bit like Liverpoolmiss on Badscience saying that she wonders who "Individual One" could have been in the Cohen indictment. She managed to narrow it down to someone who was the Republican presidential nominee for 2016...
Well......it's obvious if you actually watched the video. Which leads me to suspect theprestige didn't actually watch it.
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Old 9th July 2019, 03:01 PM   #2042
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Well......it's obvious if you actually watched the video. Which leads me to suspect theprestige didn't actually watch it.
I didn't need to watch the video to know they were talking about the commander in chief. Nor did I need to watch the video to argue that the commander in chief is subjected to exactly the kind of mental health assessment that Dr Lee has carried out. It's not the same kind of assessment servicemen in sensitive positions get. I equivocted on that. Feel free to criticize my argument on this basis if you want.
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Old 9th July 2019, 03:10 PM   #2043
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I don't have kids. But family operations are quite common.
Trump Inc. is a family operation. The government of the USA is most definitely not.
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Old 9th July 2019, 03:28 PM   #2044
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While Reagan was still in office, I can remember by mother often saying "There is something wrong with that man!" She noticed that Nancy was never far from his side and watched him like a hawk, often intervening*.
Nancy then, Ivanka now. History repeating itself.
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Old 9th July 2019, 03:46 PM   #2045
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Of course the person who commands them goes through a mental health evaluation. Indeed, they go through exactly the evaluation that Dr Lee has essayed for Trump.
The POTUS does NOT go through a mental health examination nor is it required to be elected or retain the office. That was Dr. Lee's point.

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The Department of Defense continuously evaluates and monitors personnel who may cause arming or release of a nuclear weapon. Under the Nuclear Weapon Personnel Reliability Program, “Only those personnel who have demonstrated the highest degree of individual reliability for allegiance, trustworthiness, conduct, behavior, and responsibility shall be allowed to perform duties associated with nuclear weapons, and they shall be continuously evaluated for adherence to PRP standards.”

The president, who has the ultimate responsibility for the use of the most devastating weapons in the history of the world, and who has the sole authority to order the murder of millions of people in an instant, has received only a simple, 10-minute cognitive screen.
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I didn't need to watch the video to know they were talking about the commander in chief. Nor did I need to watch the video to argue that the commander in chief is subjected to exactly the kind of mental health assessment that Dr Lee has carried out. It's not the same kind of assessment servicemen in sensitive positions get. I equivocted on that. Feel free to criticize my argument on this basis if you want.
So you didn't watch it. I don't think you did know it was the POTUS they were talking about or you'd have said so. I think were referring to active duty commanding officers which would make sense in your first statement above.

How would you know what kind of mental health evaluation Lee was talking about in the video if you didn't watch it? What evidence can you provide that any C in C is subjected to ANY mental health assessment on a regular basis (meaning a test traditionally given to all presidents)?
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Old 9th July 2019, 04:00 PM   #2046
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Trump Inc. is a family operation. The government of the USA is most definitely not.
I have at least 60 years of First Ladies that says otherwise.
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Old 9th July 2019, 04:04 PM   #2047
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The POTUS does NOT go through a mental health examination nor is it required to be elected or retain the office. That was Dr. Lee's point.





So you didn't watch it. I don't think you did know it was the POTUS they were talking about or you'd have said so. I think were referring to active duty commanding officers which would make sense in your first statement above.

How would you know what kind of mental health evaluation Lee was talking about in the video if you didn't watch it? What evidence can you provide that any C in C is subjected to ANY mental health assessment on a regular basis (meaning a test traditionally given to all presidents)?
Dr Lee's mental health evaluation of Trump is literally the topic of this thread.
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Old 9th July 2019, 04:25 PM   #2048
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I have at least 60 years of First Ladies that says otherwise.
You misunderstand. Trump treats this US government lark as though it is part of Trump Inc. The goals of Trump Inc. are to make profits for Trump Inc. and more importantly for Trump personally. He can run his business like that, no problems. But he, and nobody else either, cannot personally profit from his government executive tax-paid position. There's 200+ year old laws and stuff that say that.

First Ladies being vital to supporting the goals of the president are not "family business". That's normal around the world. But First Ladies and family members injecting themselves into government un-elected and profiting for themselves and/or their families alone is "family business", aka nepotism. Eva Peron, for example. But Ivanka is definitely no Evita. (And Trump is no Peron.)

The mental problem for Trump is that he cannot make this distinction. His world revolves around him alone. There is no such thing as a government/family divide. That's a massive mental problem to be dealing with.
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Old 9th July 2019, 04:34 PM   #2049
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Dr Lee's mental health evaluation of Trump is literally the topic of this thread.
Sigh. Stop dancing around like you're stepping on hot coals. It ain't workin'.

OUR CURRENT TOPIC is about your statements that I quoted above regarding the POTUS not being given a mental capacity exam unlike military personnel who could deploy nuclear weapons. OUR CURRENT TOPIC is about you making false statements:

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Of course the person who commands them goes through a mental health evaluation. Indeed, they go through exactly the evaluation that Dr Lee has essayed for Trump.
You were NOT referring to the POTUS as you later claimed:

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I didn't need to watch the video to know they were talking about the commander in chief.
That is made clear from the second sentence unless you want now claim that "they" is now "Trump".

Stop pulling a Trump. You did NOT know Lee was referring to the POTUS, you did NOT watch the video, and you WERE referring to commanding officers as 'they'.
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Old 9th July 2019, 04:51 PM   #2050
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Sigh. Stop dancing around like you're stepping on hot coals. It ain't workin'.

OUR CURRENT TOPIC is about your statements that I quoted above regarding the POTUS not being given a mental capacity exam unlike military personnel who could deploy nuclear weapons. OUR CURRENT TOPIC is about you making false statements:



You were NOT referring to the POTUS as you later claimed:



That is made clear from the second sentence unless you want now claim that "they" is now "Trump".

Stop pulling a Trump. You did NOT know Lee was referring to the POTUS, you did NOT watch the video, and you WERE referring to commanding officers as 'they'.
They is and always has been Trump. He doesn't get the same kind of psych eval as the servicemen who push the button, but he does get one. The statements you're referring to are the statements where I make this exact argument.
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Old 9th July 2019, 05:44 PM   #2051
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Of course the person who commands them goes through a mental health evaluation. Indeed, they go through exactly the evaluation that Dr Lee has essayed for Trump.

Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I didn't need to watch the video to know they were talking about the commander in chief. Nor did I need to watch the video to argue that the commander in chief is subjected to exactly the kind of mental health assessment that Dr Lee has carried out.

It's not the same kind of assessment servicemen in sensitive positions get. I equivocted on that. Feel free to criticize my argument on this basis if you want.
1. You can argue it, but that does not make it true. Please provide evidence that any C in C, much less Trump, has been given a mental capacity evaluation. The only mental health test Trump was given was a simple 10 question cognitive test.

2. Earlier you said the evaluations were "exactly the same". Now they're "not the same kind of assessment ". That's not 'equivocating'; that's changing your claim 180 degrees.

Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
They is and always has been Trump. He doesn't get the same kind of psych eval as the servicemen who push the button, but he does get one. The statements you're referring to are the statements where I make this exact argument.
You keep saying the POTUS gets a psych eval but fail to produce any evidence of said evaluation. On the other hand:

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"Presidents are not required to take psychological or psychiatric evaluations or pass a mental health examination before taking or while serving office in the United States."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...gically-vetted
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Old 9th July 2019, 06:27 PM   #2052
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
1. You can argue it, but that does not make it true. Please provide evidence that any C in C, much less Trump, has been given a mental capacity evaluation. The only mental health test Trump was given was a simple 10 question cognitive test.
Certainly. Exhibit A

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2. Earlier you said the evaluations were "exactly the same". Now they're "not the same kind of assessment ". That's not 'equivocating'; that's changing your claim 180 degrees.
No. Earlier I said:

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they go through exactly the evaluation that Dr Lee has essayed for Trump.
Before we continue, can we at least agree that this is what I said?
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Old 9th July 2019, 07:37 PM   #2053
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Is there any truth in the rumor that Pence's trip somewhere was abruptly cancelled?

Eta: I read speculation that Trump had a heart attack, so they yanked Pence back in case it turned serious. Personally I'm more inclined to the theory that Trump got his head stuck in a jar of honey.
What, did Melanie just have another child?
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