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Old 27th June 2019, 11:50 AM   #1241
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
One of these things is not like the other.

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They are different measurements of the same interval; a long time.
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Old 27th June 2019, 03:32 PM   #1242
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/polit...day/index.html

"National Emergency" yet?


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One that Trump himself has caused. Remember when a few months ago the numbers crossing were the lowest in 30 years? And now they are way back up all because of Trump's rhetoric and fear mongering, along with his cutting off Humanitarian funding to the central American Countries. People are now fleeing those countries, most of which were turned into hellholes by previous US interference, mostly under Reagan and Bush I, because they are being told that if they don't do so now, they won't be able to go at all.
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Old 27th June 2019, 05:48 PM   #1243
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/polit...day/index.html

"National Emergency" yet?


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Well, if you support the rhetoric of the GOP and the US border vigilantes, which I gather you do, this just means there are now two fewer illegal invaders taking your jobs and voting for Hillary. This is what they want - dead brown people. Chalk up two more.

But now you are going to try to paint it as a "humanitarian crisis"? And claim that's what Trump is trying to combat now? Jesus ******* Christ on a pogo stick! Are you SERIOUS??

You just don't want to admit this, do you. Trump hasn't a humanitarian bone in his pasty fat body. Not one. He cares only about himself; not his family, the GOP, government, nor the USA. He couldn't have given fewer ***** about the humanitarian crisis for tens of thousands in Puerto Rico that started a few years ago and is still going, and that's part of the USA. So why would he give one spit about two drowned spics from Mexico? Unless that makes him look bad personally, he won't even acknowledge this happened.

As has been eloquently explained by multiple posters and all the evidence, Trump's administration caused this mass migration. Maybe not him personally, but the people nazis who guide his decisions. So are you sure you want to align yourself with them?
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Old 28th June 2019, 01:07 AM   #1244
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Well, if you support the rhetoric of the GOP and the US border vigilantes, which I gather you do, this just means there are now two fewer illegal invaders taking your jobs and voting for Hillary. This is what they want - dead brown people. Chalk up two more.

But now you are going to try to paint it as a "humanitarian crisis"? And claim that's what Trump is trying to combat now? Jesus ******* Christ on a pogo stick! Are you SERIOUS??

You just don't want to admit this, do you. Trump hasn't a humanitarian bone in his pasty fat body. Not one. He cares only about himself; not his family, the GOP, government, nor the USA. He couldn't have given fewer ***** about the humanitarian crisis for tens of thousands in Puerto Rico that started a few years ago and is still going, and that's part of the USA. So why would he give one spit about two drowned spics from Mexico? Unless that makes him look bad personally, he won't even acknowledge this happened.

As has been eloquently explained by multiple posters and all the evidence, Trump's administration caused this mass migration. Maybe not him personally, but the people nazis who guide his decisions. So are you sure you want to align yourself with them?
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/68320...-a-border-wall

Cool story Bro.

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Old 28th June 2019, 01:15 AM   #1245
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
One that Trump himself has caused. Remember when a few months ago the numbers crossing were the lowest in 30 years? And now they are way back up all because of Trump's rhetoric and fear mongering, along with his cutting off Humanitarian funding to the central American Countries. People are now fleeing those countries, most of which were turned into hellholes by previous US interference, mostly under Reagan and Bush I, because they are being told that if they don't do so now, they won't be able to go at all.
Perhaps you need to stop relying in CNN and MSNBC for your info. I'm not suggesting you switch to Fox news either, just that you might want to put on your skeptic hat every now and then when the news is related to the border.

There is a reason our immigration facilities are being overrun and overcrowded. It's not as if the buildings suddenly shrank............

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Old 28th June 2019, 02:27 AM   #1246
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Trump is the President, so it is his responsibility. The buck stops at the Oval Office Desk.
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Old 28th June 2019, 04:17 AM   #1247
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There is a reason our immigration facilities are being overrun and overcrowded. It's not as if the buildings suddenly shrank............
Did you miss that you quoted the explanation you are telling him to stop watching the news to learn?
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Old 28th June 2019, 04:35 AM   #1248
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Limp response.

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Old 3rd July 2019, 05:59 AM   #1249
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is the President, so it is his responsibility. The buck stops at the Oval Office Desk.
But with trump president that is rather the reverse of when Truman was. It is litteral bucks stopping there but never a metaphorical one.
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Old 3rd July 2019, 02:22 PM   #1250
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Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....

.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!

.....Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!

If Illegal Immigrants are unhappy with the conditions in the quickly built or refitted detentions centers, just tell them not to come. All problems solved!

Mexico is doing a far better job than the Democrats on the Border. Thank you Mexico!
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Old 3rd July 2019, 02:27 PM   #1251
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....

.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!

.....Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!

If Illegal Immigrants are unhappy with the conditions in the quickly built or refitted detentions centers, just tell them not to come. All problems solved!

Mexico is doing a far better job than the Democrats on the Border. Thank you Mexico!
Should I dig up some quotes about how wonderful life was in the Warsaw Ghettoes or can we just agree to take my word for it that such glowing reports did exist at the time?

Bone-chilling...
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Old 3rd July 2019, 06:51 PM   #1252
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....

.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!

.....Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!

If Illegal Immigrants are unhappy with the conditions in the quickly built or refitted detentions centers, just tell them not to come. All problems solved!

Mexico is doing a far better job than the Democrats on the Border. Thank you Mexico!
This smacks heavily of SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer Miller.
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Old 4th July 2019, 10:33 AM   #1253
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Ha ha!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48869710
US President Donald Trump has again been thwarted in his attempt to use military money to fund his wall along the border with Mexico. On Saturday, he lodged an appeal against a ruling by a judge blocking him from using defence department funds for anti-drug activities. But a panel of the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the freeze, saying it was up to Congress to allocate funds.

I assume that such a case can be appealed to the supreme court, so we may not have seen the last of this...(There, it will be up to conservatives on the court... support Trump, or block him because they don't want to risk future Democratic presidents from using funds for their "emergencies".)
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Ha ha!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48869710
US President Donald Trump has again been thwarted in his attempt to use military money to fund his wall along the border with Mexico. On Saturday, he lodged an appeal against a ruling by a judge blocking him from using defence department funds for anti-drug activities. But a panel of the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the freeze, saying it was up to Congress to allocate funds.

I assume that such a case can be appealed to the supreme court, so we may not have seen the last of this...(There, it will be up to conservatives on the court... support Trump, or block him because they don't want to risk future Democratic presidents from using funds for their "emergencies".)

These are Trump judges, they'd just change their minds and say it never happened,
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Old 4th July 2019, 05:28 PM   #1255
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is the President, so it is his responsibility. The buck stops at the Oval Office Desk.
But with trump president that is rather the reverse of when Truman was. It is litteral bucks stopping there but never a metaphorical one.

You misspelled "littoral".

Most of Trump's bucks tend to come from off-shore.
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Old 4th July 2019, 08:56 PM   #1256
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Perhaps you need to stop relying in CNN and MSNBC for your info. I'm not suggesting you switch to Fox news either, just that you might want to put on your skeptic hat every now and then when the news is related to the border.

There is a reason our immigration facilities are being overrun and overcrowded. It's not as if the buildings suddenly shrank............

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One reason is Barr ordered that immigration judges were not allowed to grant bail to asylum seekers after successfully establishing credible fear.
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To be clear – the situation at the southern border is out of control because Congress won’t do its job and change our laws.
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Old 6th July 2019, 06:22 AM   #1258
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Trump Retweeted

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To be clear – the situation at the southern border is out of control because Congress won’t do its job and change our laws.
You had two years when you were in the majority in the Congress and did diddly squat about it. And yet now you are complaining. What a dickwad.
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Democrats must change the Loophole & Asylum Laws - but they probably won’t! They want Open Borders, which means massive crime and drugs!

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Last night, 12 children, a pregnant woman, a convicted felon, & 19 illegal aliens were found locked in a produce truck at a checkpoint. The driver, charged with human smuggling, kept the refrigeration off, so they were trapped inside where it was over 97 degrees
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A good reminder that over 90% of illegal drugs entering the US come through legal points of entry.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Democrats must change the Loophole & Asylum Laws - but they probably won’t! They want Open Borders, which means massive crime and drugs!

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A good reminder that over 90% of illegal drugs entering the US come through legal points of entry.
Trump is negating his own reasons to build a wall which would have no effect on checkpoints/legal points of entry.
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Democrats must change the Loophole & Asylum Laws - but they probably won’t! They want Open Borders, which means massive crime and drugs!
Has any Democrat member of Congress ever advocated open borders?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Democrats must change the Loophole & Asylum Laws - but they probably won’t! They want Open Borders, which means massive crime and drugs!

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Last night, 12 children, a pregnant woman, a convicted felon, & 19 illegal aliens were found locked in a produce truck at a checkpoint. The driver, charged with human smuggling, kept the refrigeration off, so they were trapped inside where it was over 97 degrees
What does he think a loophole is?
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What does he think a loophole is?
It's the hole the asylum seekers get through obv
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Trump Tweets

Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....

.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!

.....Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!

If Illegal Immigrants are unhappy with the conditions in the quickly built or refitted detentions centers, just tell them not to come. All problems solved!

Mexico is doing a far better job than the Democrats on the Border. Thank you Mexico!

Of course posters here are knocking this, but I don't know a single person in real life that does not feel this way. I've never met anyone who is okay with the number of people sneaking in illegally.

Only thing I disagree with is that it is all the Democrats fault. Repubs have done nothing about this. Nobody wants to. Too much money and power involved for both sides.

Stop making it easy for them and they will stop coming - that's the message. Neither side has been willing to do it though and they've suckered people into thinking that it's okay because "just look at the poor little migrants"

Total con job. The caravans are a con job. All of it is. Get the US citizens to sympathize so they can get cheap fruit and the politicians can make tons of money, virtue signal, and get big corp to fund their campaigns. All politics, none of them care about the poor migrants. None.

Wake up. This isn't about helping the needy - that's just naive.
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Of course posters here are knocking this, but I don't know a single person in real life that does not feel this way. I've never met anyone who is okay with the number of people sneaking in illegally.
I'm okay with it.
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Doesn't bother me.
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Unlike all those drugs supposedly coming over the fence.
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A good reminder that over 90% of illegal drugs entering the US come through legal points of entry.


No cantaloupe calves needed.
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Has any Democrat member of Congress ever advocated open borders?
Sadly, Joaquin Castro did. He marched along with some advocates of open borders though I haven't seen him say it on his own.

Your point is still correct, it's a BIG LIE and of course the Democrats are doing very little to say it is a lie.
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Of course posters here are knocking this, but I don't know a single person in real life that does not feel this way. I've never met anyone who is okay with the number of people sneaking in illegally.

Only thing I disagree with is that it is all the Democrats fault. Repubs have done nothing about this. Nobody wants to. Too much money and power involved for both sides.

Stop making it easy for them and they will stop coming - that's the message. Neither side has been willing to do it though and they've suckered people into thinking that it's okay because "just look at the poor little migrants"

Total con job. The caravans are a con job. All of it is. Get the US citizens to sympathize so they can get cheap fruit and the politicians can make tons of money, virtue signal, and get big corp to fund their campaigns. All politics, none of them care about the poor migrants. None.

Wake up. This isn't about helping the needy - that's just naive.
3.5% unemployment why don't you blame the people employing them or recognize they are not bad for the country. The gang members are few and pretty much more home-grown than not.

How about we treat refugees humanely and with a little more dignity? They were doing fine without this mistreatment under Obama and even under GW.

How about we address the problems in their countries which the US had a big part creating?

How about we let PARENTS and siblings of citizens in. What other immigrants are we deporting mothers and fathers of? How about deporting Trump's in-laws?

And the immigrants that served in the US military? Are you kidding me, we are deporting them?

How about we give out a few more green cards?

It goes without saying, I'm OK with it. They really are a relatively small number that Trump and the press make seem huge. Contrary to Trump's lie, we obviously have room.
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Old 6th July 2019, 03:44 PM   #1273
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


No cantaloupe thighs needed.
No, calves are cantaloupes. Thighs are more like watermelons. Or pumpkins.

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No, calves are cantaloupes. Thighs are more like watermelons. Or pumpkins.

Oh yeah.
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There's a lot of smoke around this issue and not very much light. One thing I see is the deliberate conflation between 1) asylum seekers, 2) people crossing the border illegally (that is, not at the proper checkpoints) and 3) illegal immigrants (typically people overstaying their visas.) I don't know what the numbers are like for each category.

Do you have to cross illegally simply to make an asylum claim? Or can you do it by appearing at a proper border crossing?

Are the caravans attempting to enter the USA illegally? Or are they appearing at the control points and claiming asylum? On what grounds? As far as I know "economic hardship" usually isn't considered that heavily when determining if an asylum claim should be granted. If that's the case, all the asylum seekers have managed to do is make a perilous trek only to deported back home.

Further, I don't know how many people who cross illegally are asylum seekers vs illegal immigrants, although I suspect that crossing illegally automatically puts one into the illegal immigrant category, regardless of any asylum claim.
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Further, I don't know how many people who cross illegally are asylum seekers vs illegal immigrants, although I suspect that crossing illegally automatically puts one into the illegal immigrant category, regardless of any asylum claim.
Anyone who is vaguely brown and Hispanic is automatically an illegal immigrant. Duh! And probably voted 37 times for Hillary in 2016.
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Anyone who is vaguely brown and Hispanic is automatically an illegal immigrant. Duh! And probably voted 37 times for Hillary in 2016.
And are rapists, drug dealers, murderers, and gang members.
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Sadly, Joaquin Juliàn Castro did. He marched along with some advocates of open borders though I haven't seen him say it on his own....
ftf me
I have these guys mixed up. It was Juliàn Castro that marched with an open borders group, not Joaquin.

But Juliàn is the one running for POTUS.
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The Fake News Media, in particular the Failing @nytimes, is writing phony and exaggerated accounts of the Border Detention Centers. First of all, people should not be entering our Country illegally, only for us to then have to care for them. We should be allowed to focus on .....

....United States Citizens first. Border Patrol, and others in Law Enforcement, have been doing a great job. We said there was a Crisis - the Fake News & the Dems said it was “manufactured.” Now all agree we were right, but they always knew that. They are crowded (which we.....

....brought up, not them) because the Dems won’t change the Loopholes and Asylum. Big Media Con Job!

We are building the Wall now, but the reason the badly needed Wall wasn’t approved in the Republican controlled House and Senate was that we had a very slim majority in the Senate, & needed 9 Democrat votes. They were totally unwilling to give Wall votes to us, want Open Borders!
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
There's a lot of smoke around this issue and not very much light. One thing I see is the deliberate conflation between 1) asylum seekers, 2) people crossing the border illegally (that is, not at the proper checkpoints) and 3) illegal immigrants (typically people overstaying their visas.) I don't know what the numbers are like for each category.
Ditto. The conflation of all these, and the idea that if you don't want Trump's line you somehow want open borders (the black or white approach) pretty much makes this discussion about as useful as a circle-jerk of eunuchs.

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Do you have to cross illegally simply to make an asylum claim? Or can you do it by appearing at a proper border crossing?
that used to happen, but my understanding is that now the legal crossings are turning away people trying to enter to claim asylum (one of the changes made by the Trump administration), so now they have to cross illegally. Asylum can only be claimed once inside the borders.

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Are the caravans attempting to enter the USA illegally? Or are they appearing at the control points and claiming asylum? On what grounds? As far as I know "economic hardship" usually isn't considered that heavily when determining if an asylum claim should be granted. If that's the case, all the asylum seekers have managed to do is make a perilous trek only to deported back home.
My understanding is that, for the most part, they are trying to follow legal guidelines.

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Further, I don't know how many people who cross illegally are asylum seekers vs illegal immigrants, although I suspect that crossing illegally automatically puts one into the illegal immigrant category, regardless of any asylum claim.
Actually, no, an asylum claim puts everything on hold while it's evaluated (in theory, anyway). With the current situation it's a bit of a catch-22; asylum can only be claimed from inside the border, but they aren't letting asylum seekers in to try and claim it, forcing them to come in illegally. Which the Trump ICE then uses as an excuse to detain them and separate the families.
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