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Old 25th June 2019, 01:24 PM   #41
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Richard Spencer's one of yours, by the way.
Yes, fine person, not someone anyone would be worried about being associated with. Just see Cullennz.
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Old 25th June 2019, 01:30 PM   #42
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And of course voting for racists and white supremacists is all cool with you as well. I mean you certainly can't call white supremacists deplorable that is right out for civil conversation.

Yes you are clear that one needs to respect the political views of such people. You can't write them off just because they support white supremacists clearly.

I got it the first time.

All US republican voters are white supremacists.

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Conservatives are objectively wrong. About everything.

Therefore it is objectively correct for any right thinking individual to attack conservatives at any given opportunity.

This is true and just. Such is the way of the world.
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Old 26th June 2019, 12:21 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
Conservatives are objectively wrong. About everything.

Therefore it is objectively correct for any right thinking individual to attack conservatives at any given opportunity.

This is true and just. Such is the way of the world.
Not only are they objectively wrong. They know deep down that they are wrong, which is why they constantly lie and cheat.
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Old 26th June 2019, 12:48 AM   #45
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Yea nothing wrong with supporting a leader based on racism and the like. You should never let racism get between you and your friends, why think of how racist your close friends are.

I mean it is like torture, you can disagree on it and even is someone does it for a living that is not a big deal.
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And of course voting for racists and white supremacists is all cool with you as well. I mean you certainly can't call white supremacists deplorable that is right out for civil conversation.

Yes you are clear that one needs to respect the political views of such people. You can't write them off just because they support white supremacists clearly.
Like I said, thoughtful, well balanced and nuanced.
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Old 26th June 2019, 12:50 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
Conservatives are objectively wrong. About everything.

Therefore it is objectively correct for any right thinking individual to attack conservatives at any given opportunity.

This is true and just. Such is the way of the world.
Thoughtful and well balanced.

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Not only are they objectively wrong. They know deep down that they are wrong, which is why they constantly lie and cheat.
Nuanced.
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Old 26th June 2019, 12:52 AM   #47
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Nuanced.
I thought so.
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Old 26th June 2019, 11:05 AM   #49
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I nominate Cainkane1 for a political stundie.
I don't think trolling counts.
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That never happened.

Conservatives lie to advance their agendas.
And Liberals Don"t?
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And Liberals Don"t?
Not nearly as frequently, no.
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And Liberals Don"t?
not as blatantly or hypocritically.
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I got it the first time.

All US republican voters are white supremacists.

They are all ok voting for one. Whys is that so hard?

How many people do you support despite their white supremacist attitudes?
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Like I said, thoughtful, well balanced and nuanced.
I get it lots of people support racist administrations for personal reasons and shouldn't be judged by that. It would be like branding every member of the german national socialist workers party a nazi with out looking at what they personally believed and did. This would be wrong, many of them had nothing to do and didn't support the death camps so it is wrong to call them nazis.
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not as blatantly or hypocritically.
Come come, look at all the effort the fake news media put into making it look like it rained during Trumps inauguration. That shows just how much the left lies.
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Liberals have been known to assault Conservatives for wearing a maga hat in public. There are bad conservatives too but our weirdos aren't as violent as the liberal weirdos in society.
Why are you assuming someone who is anti Trump is a liberal? Lots of conservatives remained loyal to the nation and don't back Trump. It's more like, "a lone person who betrayed his country around patriots is like a wounded animal among piranhas".
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
I get it lots of people support racist administrations for personal reasons and shouldn't be judged by that.
Balanced and thoughtful

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It would be like branding every member of the german national socialist workers party a nazi with out looking at what they personally believed and did. This would be wrong, many of them had nothing to do and didn't support the death camps so it is wrong to call them nazis.
... not so much.
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Why are you assuming someone who is anti Trump is a liberal? Lots of conservatives remained loyal to the nation and don't back Trump. It's more like, "a lone person who betrayed his country around patriots is like a wounded animal among piranhas".
Have you lost your mind? Conservative = white supremacist/N(n)azi! There is no middle ground
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Balanced and thoughtful



... not so much.
Do you think it's ok to support a racist administration for "personal reasons"? Do you not think those people deserve criticism for the "supporting a racist administration" part?

Feel free to answer anytime after you're done putting scores on posts or whatever the hell you're doing.
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Have you lost your mind? Conservative = white supremacist/N(n)azi! There is no middle ground
Why would you say that? Do you think that?

Or are you dishonestly mischaracterizing someone else's opinions like you've been known to do?
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Why would you say that? Do you think that?

Or are you dishonestly mischaracterizing someone else's opinions like you've been known to do?
As always, and despite your repeated denial, that is exactly your stance. You just don't have the balls to admit to it because you are aware your bias is badly flawed.
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As always, and despite your repeated denial, that is exactly your stance. You just don't have the balls to admit to it because you are aware your bias is badly flawed.
I see. You're basically trying to read minds then. I think you'll find that most of us here don't believe such powers are real.
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Balanced and thoughtful
Got it, then it is wrong for people to paint governor George Wallace as a racist, that was simply an expedient way to win support and get elected. That in no way makes him personally a racist and people should be proud to be his friend.
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Have you lost your mind? Conservative = white supremacist/N(n)azi! There is no middle ground
Sure, but Trump voter means voting for a white supremacist, and hence being OK with it. I get it you are fine supporting white supremacists as long as you get a tax break, and you feel that is not something that should bear any moral weight.

But then why assign so much moral weight to other people who supported less than ideal leaderships?
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Why are you assuming someone who is anti Trump is a liberal? Lots of conservatives remained loyal to the nation and don't back Trump. It's more like, "a lone person who betrayed his country around patriots is like a wounded animal among piranhas".
I've asked the locals repeatedly why they call anyone and everyone outside their infantile, quasi-socialist "rainbow coalition" a Trump supporter.

They just can't seem to understand (or pretend not to) that many people's scepticism about the declared purpose of the 'special investigation', and their suspicion that it's nothing but pro-democrat/Clinton operation might have more to do with their opposition to the democrats and HRC than support for Trump.
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So wait the gun-toting, military supporting, God on our side, "real men and women" conservatives are now afraid of liberals?

Why? A bunch of latte-sipping, vegetarian peaceniks? What are they gonna do hit you with their kale? You could hold off a city of liberals with a spoonful of gluten. How can they be a threat to you when they are huddled in their safe spaces?
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I've asked the locals repeatedly why they call anyone and everyone outside their infantile, quasi-socialist "rainbow coalition" a Trump supporter.

They just can't seem to understand (or pretend not to) that many people's scepticism about the declared purpose of the 'special investigation', and their suspicion that it's nothing but pro-democrat/Clinton operation might have more to do with their opposition to the democrats and HRC than support for Trump.
Tell me again how the lifelong Republican, appointed by another life-long Republican who was appointed by Trump led a pro-Democratic operation?
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I dunnit again - had tabs open on two threads and forgot which I was reading.

Not that it makes much difference, given that the 'progressives' who've long since co-opted this forum turn every thread into a repetitive stream of deranged polemic about their bogey-man.
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Tell me again how the lifelong Republican, appointed by another life-long Republican who was appointed by Trump led a pro-Democratic operation?
But of course the new definition of conservative is supports Trump no matter what.
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I. Am. Not. A. Trump. Supporter.

I perceive him to be a thoroughly un-likable, narrow-minded, ill-educated boor and someone I would never want to be in the same room with.

He is not, however, most of the things he's accused of being by morons who are led by the nose by the corporate media (which is just about everything apart from a pederast as far as I know, but do correct me if I'm wrong).

I detest Hillary Clinton, her cronies and the previously-mentioned morons who also form their voting bloc, because despite the former's transparent phoniness the latter are apparently too stupid to see them for what they are, and would lead us down the road to Hell, with gladness in their hearts right up until .......
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I tend to agree with thisislife.

Trump is terrible but he isn't actually as terrible as folks seem to think. Seriously, he's being criticized for not starting war with Iran? That's just one more sign of his Fascism or something? He routinely gets called a budding fascist for policies that are not that different from his predecessor, in some case for defending the policies of his predecessor. This will only help him get re-elected but for some reason his haters just can't help themselves. I would love for him not to get a second term but every time there's some face book meme to the effect of "Can you believe Trump is doing this horrible thing at the border?" accompanied by pictures from 4 years ago or a lawyer defending the government in court case that started 4 years ago, or a new favorite, Trump is a bigot against Chinese scientist with a bunch of data from before he took office showing how federal espionage charges of against Chinese nationals had increase. WTF people? Are you being paid by Trumps campaign?

Its not really important here but Hillary really was terrible candidate, almost literally the only democrat that could have lost to Trump but for some reason her fans can't see that. Its weird man.
Meh, that really just an off topic rant, feel free to read but it really doesn't belong here.

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Well that's kind of the problem though. Even taking the argumentatives at face value we have a President with zero redeeming qualities, who's only defense is a string of "Not as bad as."

You can't start from zero and get anywhere good with Trump. We have to start at Trump as a given and compare him (almost universally dishonestly but again even if we take all the defense at face value) to other things both real and hypothetical.

Evil Killary might have hidden information about her illegal pizza parlor child sex dungeon on her illegal e-mail server in Benghazi, but at least she had supporters who could argue they liked about her.

When even your foaming at the mouth supporters can't actually say anything good about you, that's a problem.
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When even your foaming at the mouth supporters can't actually say anything good about you, that's a problem.
It is but I think its pretty clear he's only the symptom of the problem, his supports are frustrated and fed up and his opponents need to figure out how to address that rather than just be dismissive or get equally frustrated and foaming at the mouth.

He has one actual redeeming quality. He is the least bellicose president 30 years. Sure, he makes lots of threats but he really seems much more reluctant to actually kill people than anybody since Carter.

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It is but I think its pretty clear he's only the symptom of the problem, his supports are frustrated and fed up and his opponents need to figure out how to address that rather than just be dismissive or get equally frustrated and foaming at the mouth.

He has one actual redeeming quality. He is the least bellicose president 30 years. Sure, he makes lots of threats but he really seems much more reluctant to actually kill people than anybody since Carter.
Nope they don't. Trump-supporters can and should be dismissed and sidelined. They are the problem, and until they change, things aren't going to get better for them.
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I tend to agree with thisislife.
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Trump is terrible but he isn't actually as terrible as folks seem to think. Seriously, he's being criticized for not starting war with Iran?
I think this might be off. I believe he's being criticized for not taking any action at all against a country that literally murdered and dismembered a US citizen. Though, I'm open to reading information about him being criticized just because he won't go to war with Iran.

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He routinely gets called a budding fascist for policies that are not that different from his predecessor, in some case for defending the policies of his predecessor.
For instance? His most recent predecessor is Obama, and he's had no other goal except to undue Obama's presidency. So I'm somewhat interested in this claim.

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a lawyer defending the government in court case that started 4 years ago, or a new favorite, Trump is a bigot against Chinese scientist with a bunch of data from before he took office showing how federal espionage charges of against Chinese nationals had increase. WTF people? Are you being paid by Trumps campaign?
No idea what most of this is going on about. The facts are that the reason Trump is roundly criticized is for blatantly obvious reasons that you seem to be working pretty diligently at missing. He's had nothing but great things to say about North Korea, he literally lies about ******* everything all of the time, the murder of the reporter (again), the kids being locked in cages, his ******** on the transgender in the Military, taking credit for things he hasn't really had a hand in (the list here is massive), and so on. This is just a tiny list of all of the dumb **** he gets static for.

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Its not really important here but Hillary really was terrible candidate, almost literally the only democrat that could have lost to Trump but for some reason her fans can't see that. Its weird man.
I don't think anyone here is going to deny that Hillary was a troubled candidate. I think what you'll find here is that, while her "fans" admit that, they will wholeheartedly deny she's even a fraction as bad as Donald. Yeah, she definitely had problems with trustworthiness, and some of the things in her past. Lets be frank here, is she less trustworthy than the guy who has been proven to have lied over 10,000 times since taking office? Come on.

ETA: I think what the real problem is here is that people are getting so used to the ******** being fed to them by Trump, his administration, and his fans, that they're starting to normalize his extremely ****** behavior. So instead we get posts saying, "But what really has he done that other Presidents\Leaders\Countries haven't done?" The answer is...a ******* lot. Ignore it if you want, but don't expect everyone else to just because you're numb to it now.
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It is but I think its pretty clear he's only the symptom of the problem, his supports are frustrated and fed up and his opponents need to figure out how to address that rather than just be dismissive or get equally frustrated and foaming at the mouth.

He has one actual redeeming quality. He is the least bellicose president 30 years. Sure, he makes lots of threats but he really seems much more reluctant to actually kill people than anybody since Carter.
Compare and contrast with HRC, her track record re. Libya (We came! We saw! He died! Haaaa-hahaha!) and her avowed, explicit bellicosity (I like that word!) toward Iran. I think it would be fair to assume that military action would long since have been started (probably via Syria) had the she become POTUS (I still shudder at the very thought).
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So wait the gun-toting, military supporting, God on our side, "real men and women" conservatives are now afraid of liberals?

Why? A bunch of latte-sipping, vegetarian peaceniks? What are they gonna do hit you with their kale? You could hold off a city of liberals with a spoonful of gluten. How can they be a threat to you when they are huddled in their safe spaces?
Hey, I have it on good authority can gluten can wipe out a city!
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Goddamn for people who bitch and moan about people being obsessed with Trump y'all can't seem to get over Hillary, WHO ISN'T PRESIDENT NOW AND NEVER WAS.
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Goddamn for people who bitch and moan about people being obsessed with Trump y'all can't seem to get over Hillary, WHO ISN'T PRESIDENT NOW AND NEVER WAS.
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I don't really know if Trump is a budding fascist or not, but I do know that I am ******* terrified of a certain contingent of his supporters. Truly and genuinely. I had a genuine panic attack last night (the textbook kind, with the gasping and the tunnel vision and the hyperventilation) because Reddit apparently quarantined the r/the_donald subreddit and its members are having a fit. They are talking about violence and revolution all over the web. Is it just tough talk from basement dwellers, like my friends assure me? I hope so. There's a lot of them, they seem really crazy, and I'm concerned that they will try to light the country on fire, especially if their Dear Leader doesn't win the next election. To say nothing of if he does (which I think he probably will).

You (general you) can make fun of me if you like. I don't care. I'm being honest.

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