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Old 29th April 2017, 02:02 AM   #1
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First World Festival problems

Fyre Festival in the Bahamas was touted as being a luxury event with great music and beautiful people situated in an exotic cay.

Tickets averaged $12,000.

The reality didn't quite live up to expectations:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articl...ded-in-bahamas

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Fyre Festival, co-organised by Ja Rule, promised a "cultural moment created from a blend of music, art and food".

Tickets included a flight from Miami, a stay in a "geodesic dome" and activities including yoga and kayaking.

Festival-goers have described the event as a "complete disaster".
Someone apparently involved with the planning of the festival village, though not brought into until quite late on, comments:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/04/fyre...-disaster.html

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we were led to believe things had been in motion for a while. But nothing had been done. Festival vendors weren’t in place, no stage had been rented, transportation had not been arranged. Frankly, we were standing on an empty gravel pit and no one had any idea how we were going to build a festival village from scratch.
I particularly enjoyed this quote when concerns were raised by planners:

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A guy from the marketing team said, “Let’s just do it and be legends, man.”
If you want to know how sympathetic people have been to the plight of festival-goers, it's probably pertinent to mention that the cheese "sandwich" supplied to guests has its own Twitter account.

I haven't been to a festival in years, but it strikes me that anything short of preparations similar to those for D-Day are going to result in catastrophe, having been to Glastonbury, which is perhaps the gold standard (at least in the UK) for having a well run event.

It's possible the organisers were simply in over their head. Maybe they were just paying homage to Woodstock, but at least there the people got to hear the bands play.
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Old 29th April 2017, 02:15 AM   #2
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Any event for which you're paying $12,000 isn't a "festival" as far as I'm concerned. It's all hilarious to me.
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Old 29th April 2017, 06:26 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
Any event for which you're paying $12,000 isn't a "festival" as far as I'm concerned. It's all hilarious to me.
How is it not a festival?

a : a time of celebration marked by special observances
b : feast 2
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: an often periodic celebration or program of events or entertainment having a specified focus a daffodil festival a Greek festival
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: gaiety, conviviality
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Old 29th April 2017, 07:31 AM   #4
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At $12,000 per ticket, it's an executive retreat with a festival theme.
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It's a bad sign when the organizers manage to misspell the name of their own festival, and it's only a four letter word.
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Old 29th April 2017, 07:59 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
At $12,000 per ticket, it's an executive retreat with a festival theme.
What is the difference?
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The only way this could have turned out worse is if Donald Trump had organized it.

And who the hell pays that kind of money to see Blink 182?
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Old 29th April 2017, 08:36 AM   #8
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The organizer says that the photo of the cheese sandwich isn't from the festival.

Some articles talk about feral dogs roaming throughout and thugs looting alcohol.
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Old 29th April 2017, 08:42 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
How is it not a festival?

a : a time of celebration marked by special observances
b : feast 2
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: an often periodic celebration or program of events or entertainment having a specified focus a daffodil festival a Greek festival
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: gaiety, conviviality
That would be a great point if dictionary definitions always conveyed the entirety of what words actually mean to people in day-to-day use. Perhaps it would be helpful if you could list a few more music festivals that require spending thousands of US dollars - beyond actual travel costs - to attend?
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Old 29th April 2017, 08:46 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
The organizer says that the photo of the cheese sandwich isn't from the festival.

Some articles talk about feral dogs roaming throughout and thugs looting alcohol.
I put "sandwich" in quotes, because to me that isn't one, unless they were aiming at some hipster deconstruction.

It's not just the ingredients, some assembly is required, to wit: layering.

Bread, butter*, salad, cheese, butter, bread. It's not rocket science.

* - If there were a special circle of Hell for those who put mayonnaise on a sandwich, I wouldn't complain.
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Old 29th April 2017, 09:00 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
That would be a great point if dictionary definitions always conveyed the entirety of what words actually mean to people in day-to-day use. Perhaps it would be helpful if you could list a few more music festivals that require spending thousands of US dollars - beyond actual travel costs - to attend?
None of that seems relevant for what makes something a festival.
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I saw a festival-goer on TV this morning complaining there was no place to plug in phones. Awwww.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
None of that seems relevant for what makes something a festival.
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The only way this could have turned out worse is if Donald Trump had organized it.

And who the hell pays that kind of money to see Blink 182?
The "didn't know it was hard" is very trumpish. I have been thinking Trump is more everyman than we give him credit for.
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
Seems like the dictionary definition captures all necessary details and nuance.
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Originally Posted by commandlinegamer View Post

I haven't been to a festival in years, but it strikes me that anything short of preparations similar to those for D-Day are going to result in catastrophe...
As someone who has worked on a few festivals & many similar events, you are correct. Also, much like D-Day, disaster can always be a tiny hiccup/miscalculation away.
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* - If there were a special circle of Hell for those who put mayonnaise on a sandwich, I wouldn't complain.
That depends on the sandwich though, what they were offering as a "sandwich" I can see your issue with it.
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In fairness, it was "up to "$12,000", not "averaging $12,000".There were just lots of poor schmuck music enthusiasts who scraped together money for their one big trip per year who got royally **********.
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What a fiasco....they didn't even offer free time in the ball pool.

If you're interested, here's a good article from nymag written by someone who was involved in organizing the festival. They saw pretty quickly that it would be a disaster and bowed out.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/04/fyre...-disaster.html
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Commentary from a local news site doesn't pull any punches. Apparently the organizers wanted to have a long-standing event moved because it would have clashed. Criticism is also levelled at the Ministry of Tourism for letting things get to this stage.

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As if getting one’s head around such matters is not enough, for the promoters to have reportedly enquired if the George Town Regatta could be rescheduled lends credence to what Piers Morgan recently described as a US culture of ‘rich, publicity craving, materialistic, talentless, self absorbed, social media fanatics’ who arrogantly believe they can do as they please.


Well, sadly, everyone now knows that one cannot just waltz into a sovereign nation and demand that their wishes be catered to simply because you have a few dollars in your pocket or a trust fund.
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2017/...ers-showed-di/
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One of the festival attendees is suing for $100 million for significant emotional pain and suffering. It's a class action suit on behalf of all attendees.
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https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-files-lawsuit

Is this likely to go anywhere? Can a lawyer chime in?

Anyway, the organiser is quoted:

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“We were a little naive in thinking for the first time we could do this ourselves. Next year, we will definitely start earlier. The reality is, we weren’t experienced enough to keep up.”
Ooft.
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Anyway, the organiser is quoted:
"Next year, we will definitely start earlier."
Ooft.
If they haven't already started on next year, they're already wrong.
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There is no next year for these knuckleheads.
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Originally Posted by commandlinegamer View Post
Fyre Festival in the Bahamas was touted as being a luxury event with great music and beautiful people situated in an exotic cay.

Tickets averaged $12,000.

The reality didn't quite live up to expectations:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articl...ded-in-bahamas



Someone apparently involved with the planning of the festival village, though not brought into until quite late on, comments:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/04/fyre...-disaster.html



I particularly enjoyed this quote when concerns were raised by planners:



If you want to know how sympathetic people have been to the plight of festival-goers, it's probably pertinent to mention that the cheese "sandwich" supplied to guests has its own Twitter account.

I haven't been to a festival in years, but it strikes me that anything short of preparations similar to those for D-Day are going to result in catastrophe, having been to Glastonbury, which is perhaps the gold standard (at least in the UK) for having a well run event.

It's possible the organisers were simply in over their head. Maybe they were just paying homage to Woodstock, but at least there the people got to hear the bands play.
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What a fiasco....they didn't even offer free time in the ball pool.

If you're interested, here's a good article from nymag written by someone who was involved in organizing the festival. They saw pretty quickly that it would be a disaster and bowed out.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/04/fyre...-disaster.html
My favorite part was that he got called to do this in early March for an event in April. I plan my personal vacations further out than that.
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The meandering apology on the remnants of their website almost reads like a third party satire on how the organisers of failed festival might try to explain the woeful inadequacy of their "planning."

At its heart, it seems that they decided where they wanted to hold the festival first, without the slightest idea of whether the island location could actually support or even temporarily house the massive influx of people.
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How is it not a festival?

a : a time of celebration marked by special observances
b : feast 2
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: an often periodic celebration or program of events or entertainment having a specified focus a daffodil festival a Greek festival
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: gaiety, conviviality
Judging by the Lord of the Flies references on the news, a lack of celebration, gaiety and conviviality may tend to take away its festival like qualities!
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The meandering apology on the remnants of their website almost reads like a third party satire on how the organisers of failed festival might try to explain the woeful inadequacy of their "planning."

At its heart, it seems that they decided where they wanted to hold the festival first, without the slightest idea of whether the island location could actually support or even temporarily house the massive influx of people.
Wow, they hired 737 planes!
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Wow, they hired 737 planes!
They didn't want to risk further poor publicity by being over-booked.
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There is no next year for these knuckleheads.
They're already promising a next year.
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They're already promising a next year.
May the odds be ever in their favor.
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Wow, they hired 737 planes!
Yeah, I thought that was a particularly poor choice of wording, as well!
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They didn't want to risk further poor publicity by being over-booked.
Boom-tish!
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Adversity makes for the best memories.

"I was there, locked in that airport."
"My android battery died."
"I ate a rat."


Good times.
"I ate a rat." is pretty low on the badness scale. You were hungry, you ate. "A rat ate me" would be something to complain about.
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"I ate a rat." is pretty low on the badness scale. You were hungry, you ate. "A rat ate me" would be something to complain about.
At Woodstock I pooped in my hat.

(Is this the "secrets you'll never tell" thread?)

No I didn't. I never did that. I wasn't even wearing a hat.
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At Woodstock I pooped in my hat.

(Is this the "secrets you'll never tell" thread?)

No I didn't. I never did that. I wasn't even wearing a hat.
I never borrowed your hat, I gave it back to you, and the poo was there when you gave it to me.
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