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Old 11th January 2021, 03:58 PM   #1001
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Noisy helicopters flying around Mike Pence's abode:


https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/stat...096580097?s=20

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Very noisy helicopters flying around Vice President’s residence — what is going on?
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:00 PM   #1002
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Is someone moving out today?


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We constantly have several different kinds of helicopters in the sky over DC, but these are the big white-top passenger transports used only by the White House. You’d use something smaller for surveillance. These have one job, and it’s moving high ranking officials.

https://twitter.com/seanctucker/stat...392535042?s=20
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:07 PM   #1003
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
He's been fired..?
Who, Trump?

Pence cannot be fired.
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:11 PM   #1004
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Look, there is little doubt there was a conspiracy to overthrow democracy but we don't yet know the extent of it. How to prove it?

Threatening behaviour?

The fire extinguisher: there were quite a few of these lined up in the lobby on clearing up. The person who threw it towards the police: did he intend murder or was it a consequence of reckless behaviour? We don't know. You have to gather the evidence.

So, we can prove for sure illegal entry to restricted areas, violent disorder, trespass. How do you prove someone went there in order to kill the senators. We can strongly suspect there was such a conspiracy but that will take quite a lot of investigation before the charges can be brought and made to stick
because they were yelling that’s what they wanted to do and brought the equipment to do it

And it took deadly force to get them to stop

I think you’re overthinking this

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Old 11th January 2021, 04:24 PM   #1005
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Originally Posted by gregthehammer View Post
Maybe Arnold could re-enact the final Thulsa Doom scene from Conan the Barbarian, for old times sake...
Then the cult could form lines to throw their MAGA hats into a fire....
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:35 PM   #1006
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Paul Gosar. Congressman for AZ’s 4th District still has this tweet up

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Biden should concede.
I want his concession on my desk tomorrow morning.
Don’t make me come over there.
#StopTheSteaI2021 @ali
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:40 PM   #1007
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
they did set up a gallows
And they did kill two cops
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:46 PM   #1008
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
FBI warns 'armed protests' being planned at all 50 state capitols and in Washington DC

The FBI has received information indicating "armed protests" are being planned at all 50 state capitols and the US Capitol in Washington, DC in the days leading up to President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20, according to an internal bulletin obtained by CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/11/p...tol/index.html
So, is now the time to talk about gun control???
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:54 PM   #1009
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I am not a politician or a public figure. The person carrying that gallows contraption will say in court, hey, nobody told me I couldn't. Note, usually on demonstrations people are instructed their back packs have to be transparent and they aren't allowed various poles and banners. Jake Angeli, self-styled idiot, has on his charge sheet he was carrying a spear (yes - a deadly weapon) with a US flag attached. Who allowed him to carry such an item? The people in charge of controlling the crowds (the FBI and the police) will be blamed for not even challenging it. I understand that this gallows thing has been seen at other demonstrations.

I went to a football match in which my team were playing another team about to be relegated. Their supporters had a 'funeral march' along the road leading up to the stadium carrying a coffin with the name of their team on it.

Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?


I present my case, M'Lud.
At the football match, were two cops killed? Did anyone rampage through the players dressing room with zipties and tazers?
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Old 11th January 2021, 05:58 PM   #1010
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Old 11th January 2021, 06:11 PM   #1011
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History of mass arrests made by the Capitol Police

35 Times Capitol Police Arrested More Demonstrators Than the 14 Insurgents Arrested Wednesday

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In June 2018, US Capitol Police arrested nearly 600 women peacefully protesting President Donald Trump’s family separation and immigration detention policies. On Wednesday, Capitol Police arrested 14 people in response to a violent assault on the Capitol that left a member of the mob and a police officer dead. The overwhelming majority of right-wing extremists who took over the Capitol for the first time since the War of 1812 walked free.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ted-wednesday/
This article shiws the Capitol Police hypocrisy.

Time for the country to look long and hard at this.
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Old 11th January 2021, 08:00 PM   #1012
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lol bro he killed a wizard with it. let me know when a knife kills a wizard
No, scissors kills a wizard.

Scissors cuts Paper
Paper covers Rock
Rock crushes Lizard
Lizard poisons Spock
Spock smashes Scissors
Scissors decapitates Lizard
Lizard eats Paper
Paper disproves Spock
Spock vaporizes Rock
(and as it always has) Rock crushes Scissors

(if you can believe anything Barry Kripke says)
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Old 11th January 2021, 08:08 PM   #1013
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And they did kill two cops
Everything about this is horrible. They certainly killed one.

But I’m not sure it’s fair to pin an officer committing suicide after the fact on the rioters.

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Old 11th January 2021, 11:57 PM   #1014
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
It is still totally ridiculous for a sword. Be as into knives as you want, swords are not just big knives.
it'd not totally ridiculous. I have used a replica forged by Raven Arms in the UK. It's actually is a pretty good sword for a fictional weapon, with just two real exceptions, it's a little bit too short and a bit fat. The blade is slightly shorter than a good arming sword would be, while it has a two-handed grip. The blade is a bit fat and thus heavy too, though it is reasonably well balanced despite the weight. The hilt is probably a little over the top decoration-wise for a RL sword, but for a fantasy sword, it is actually reasonably practical. If the blade was around 20-30cm long and a bit thinner, it would be a very practical weapon.

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Old 12th January 2021, 12:18 AM   #1015
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Those look like the feds who went in to extract Babbit after she was shot. They left with her and didn't return.
No, they weren't. They are Oath-Keepers, or at least the first two were based on their outfits (Both had an Oth-Keeper shirt on under their Tactical vest, and the first had an Oath-Keeper patch on his backpack) and so the likely bet is that the rest of the group is as well. One of the others had a triangle with the "Don't tread on me" snake emblem in it on his backpack. The leader also has a patch that says "I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence." There are clear photos of the group that have been posted.
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One can only refer to it as a coup darling if it's from the Coup d'etat region of France.

Otherwise it's just sparkling white terrorism.
I prefer 'putsch'. It seems appropriate....
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lol bro he killed a wizard with it. let me know when a knife kills a wizard
Rincewind used a brick in a sock; and he defeated a Sourceror not a mere wizard.
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The New York State Bar Association "President Scott M. Karson has launched an inquiry pursuant to the Association’s bylaws to determine whether Mr. Giuliani should be removed from the membership rolls of the Association."


This would not affect his ability to practice law as it is a voluntary organization.
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Old 12th January 2021, 05:48 AM   #1019
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I went to a football match in which my team were playing another team about to be relegated. Their supporters had a 'funeral march' along the road leading up to the stadium carrying a coffin with the name of their team on it.

Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?


I present my case, M'Lud.
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At the football match, were two cops killed? Did anyone rampage through the players dressing room with zipties and tazers?
....While shouting "Hang the Quarterback!" and "Where's that **** the place-kicker?"



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The zip-tie guy was with his ******* Mom. He'll claim in court he was just role-playing. You have to somehow get evidence that will secure a conviction.

So he's a terrorist who is willing to use his own mom as a human shield. Not really making a good case here.

**** all these guys, and anyone making excuses for them. The Ram Has Touched The Wall, and they are all forfeit.
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Old 12th January 2021, 07:40 AM   #1020
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?
Hard to say, but I note the Vice President didn't stick around to find out, which seems wise.


Even if it were meant as gallows humor, in every angry mob it always seems like there's a handful of people who don't get the joke.

ETA: But, to your point elsewhere, securing convictions on such evidence is difficult.
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
No, scissors kills a wizard.

Scissors cuts Paper
Paper covers Rock
Rock crushes Lizard
Lizard poisons Spock
Spock smashes Scissors
Scissors decapitates Lizard
Lizard eats Paper
Paper disproves Spock
Spock vaporizes Rock
(and as it always has) Rock crushes Scissors

(if you can believe anything Barry Kripke says)
I have always objected to this scheme, presenting Spock as a phasering brute who writes discredited papers.

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Scotty works better. Just change it to "Scotty disassembles scissors".
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Interesting read https://arcdigital.media/qanon-woke-...e-72bbfcb79488
He quotes David Frum "if you replaced “Deep State” with “rule of law,” you’d have a better understanding of Trumpist complaints."
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Looting is bad, but it’s a problem for police and insurance companies. Trying to burn down a police station or courthouse is worse, but that too is a law enforcement problem, perhaps one requiring federal assistance. Storming the Capitol, forcefully hindering the execution of U.S. law, and trying to kill top elected officials is a national security problem.
What you did was on another level, and the reaction will be too.
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No, they weren't. They are Oath-Keepers, or at least the first two were based on their outfits (Both had an Oth-Keeper shirt on under their Tactical vest, and the first had an Oath-Keeper patch on his backpack) and so the likely bet is that the rest of the group is as well. One of the others had a triangle with the "Don't tread on me" snake emblem in it on his backpack. The leader also has a patch that says "I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence." There are clear photos of the group that have been posted.
I was misled by something I saw that misidentified them. It didn't seem to be the right gear for the feds, actually.
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No, they weren't. They are Oath-Keepers, or at least the first two were based on their outfits (Both had an Oth-Keeper shirt on under their Tactical vest, and the first had an Oath-Keeper patch on his backpack) and so the likely bet is that the rest of the group is as well. One of the others had a triangle with the "Don't tread on me" snake emblem in it on his backpack. The leader also has a patch that says "I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence." There are clear photos of the group that have been posted.
Sadly, the highlighted doesn't preclude them being actual riot police on duty - based on some of the photos from the summer.
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It is my understanding that, traditionally, the Secret Service has not had much of a sense of humor abut such things.

Harlan Ellison has told a story about the time that a disgruntled fan felt that he wasn't sufficiently grateful to her for "making him famous", so she called the Secret Service and claimed that he had threatened to kill the President. In that situation, with absolutely nothing to support the claim, they were required to go to his home and conduct an interview/investigation.
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Interesting read https://arcdigital.media/qanon-woke-...e-72bbfcb79488
He quotes David Frum "if you replaced “Deep State” with “rule of law,” you’d have a better understanding of Trumpist complaints."
Excellent read, and the quoted section is a perfect rebuttal to the whataboutism being floated by Republicans and conservative media.

Thanks for posting it!
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Hard to say, but I note the Vice President didn't stick around to find out, which seems wise.


Even if it were meant as gallows humor, in every angry mob it always seems like there's a handful of people who don't get the joke.

ETA: But, to your point elsewhere, securing convictions on such evidence is difficult.
Any of the right wing terrorists who stepped foot on Capitol grounds is already guilty of seditious conspiracy. The intent of those roaming the halls with weapons in search of government officials shouldn’t be difficult to prove beyond that starting point.
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I have always objected to this scheme, presenting Spock as a phasering brute who writes discredited papers.

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Scotty works better. Just change it to "Scotty disassembles scissors".
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Well, of course, it's not rock, scissors, paper, it's ick, ack, ock.
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DOJ Live Press Conference due to start. I think it is running late.

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Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin and the FBI are expected to provide more details both on the attack on the U.S. Capitol and the charges brought against some of those involved.

The press conference is expected to begin at 3 p.m.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/01/12...ess-conference
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Maybe. I'm always a bit skeptical since I sold that kind of equipment for thirty years. I have read many exaggerations from so called authorities about the level of detail. It all depends on the setup. So much of the Capitol is stone and granite. It was probably a nightmare to set up to receive decent cell service. That is until the last 15 years and the advent of microcells. These are just like any other cell phone antenna except they run at very low power to limit their coverage. I am just not personally knowledgeable of the Capitol's cell service structure.

You combine this with video surveillance, social networks and the like and you very well maybe be able to do that.
That was a couple of days ago, but the data miner in me says just get all the numbers connected to any tower within 1 km of the Capitol, then cross-reference them with where their usual area is. If they're from outside Washington and near the Capitol, it's highly likely they were rioters, so it gives you a massive and easy database to start from.

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I prefer 'putsch'. It seems appropriate....
Ah, now I have it!

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Old 12th January 2021, 02:22 PM   #1032
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I am not a politician or a public figure. The person carrying that gallows contraption will say in court, hey, nobody told me I couldn't. Note, usually on demonstrations people are instructed their back packs have to be transparent and they aren't allowed various poles and banners. Jake Angeli, self-styled idiot, has on his charge sheet he was carrying a spear (yes - a deadly weapon) with a US flag attached. Who allowed him to carry such an item? The people in charge of controlling the crowds (the FBI and the police) will be blamed for not even challenging it. I understand that this gallows thing has been seen at other demonstrations.

I went to a football match in which my team were playing another team about to be relegated. Their supporters had a 'funeral march' along the road leading up to the stadium carrying a coffin with the name of their team on it.

Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?


I present my case, M'Lud.
https://twitter.com/DonnieJrsChin/status/1348922343121412096

This guy could be some hot headed idiot who doesn't really mean it. i mean, people say things they don't mean when caught up in the heat of the moment, right?

Of course, he also went on to beat a police officer with a flag pole. I think it may have been the officer who died (and was also hit with a fire extinguisher) but I'm not sure.
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That was a couple of days ago, but the data miner in me says just get all the numbers connected to any tower within 1 km of the Capitol, then cross-reference them with where their usual area is. If they're from outside Washington and near the Capitol, it's highly likely they were rioters, so it gives you a massive and easy database to start from.

Ah, now I have it!

Putzch.
I assumed that they were already doing all that. I would definitely filter it first looking at out of state numbers. There has to be a whole bunch of data mining techniques that would help narrow the sample. Check the numbers to identities then search those identities to Social media posts would be a start.
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I am not a politician or a public figure. The person carrying that gallows contraption will say in court, hey, nobody told me I couldn't. Note, usually on demonstrations people are instructed their back packs have to be transparent and they aren't allowed various poles and banners. Jake Angeli, self-styled idiot, has on his charge sheet he was carrying a spear (yes - a deadly weapon) with a US flag attached. Who allowed him to carry such an item? The people in charge of controlling the crowds (the FBI and the police) will be blamed for not even challenging it. I understand that this gallows thing has been seen at other demonstrations.

I went to a football match in which my team were playing another team about to be relegated. Their supporters had a 'funeral march' along the road leading up to the stadium carrying a coffin with the name of their team on it.

Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?


I present my case, M'Lud.
"No, no, your honour, I wasn't robbing the bank, I was just waving a gun around in the bank yelling "this is a robbery", and either way, what about the BLM riots?!".
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"No, no, your honour, I wasn't robbing the bank, I was just waving a gun around in the bank yelling "this is a robbery", and either way, what about the BLM riots?!".
The FBI guy at the press conference today (Stephen Sherwin?) couldn't even bring himself to call the police officer's death, 'murder', and referred to it coyly as 'his passing'.

I don't know about you but I thought the FBI were tough and told it like it is.

Defendant X is brought before the criminal courts.

JUDGE: Sherwin, you may present your case (for it is he).

SHERWIN: Well, Your Honor, Mr X, is charged with er, um, how can I put this delicately? The passing of a police officer.

JUDGE: What do you mean 'passing'? Passing as what? Imitating a police officer?

SHERWIN: Er, no, not quite, Your Honor.

JUDGE|: Passing by? He was passed by the police officer in Capitol Hill? Is that what you are claiming.

SHERWIN: The police officer PASSED AWAY!!! How much clearer do you want me to be? Murdered! Topped!
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They will be.
Already shown that not all of them are.
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Originally Posted by cosmicaug View Post
https://twitter.com/DonnieJrsChin/status/1348922343121412096

This guy could be some hot headed idiot who doesn't really mean it. i mean, people say things they don't mean when caught up in the heat of the moment, right?

Of course, he also went on to beat a police officer with a flag pole. I think it may have been the officer who died (and was also hit with a fire extinguisher) but I'm not sure.
In this case, you have definite video footage of this guy beating the cop on the steps (it isn't Officer Brian Sicknick on the steps). So you have enough probable cause to charge him with attempted murder.

Simply chanting 'hang Pence' isn't necessarily illegal.
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"No, no, your honour, I wasn't robbing the bank, I was just waving a gun around in the bank yelling "this is a robbery", and either way, what about the BLM riots?!".
"Also, it wasn't me and I was totally justified in robbing the bank if I had been there!"
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In this case, you have definite video footage of this guy beating the cop on the steps (it isn't Officer Brian Sicknick on the steps). So you have enough probable cause to charge him with attempted murder.

Simply chanting 'hang Pence' isn't necessarily illegal.
people were all over the country chanting hang pence that day. the ones that tried to make it happen are the ones they should focus on imo
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In this case, you have definite video footage of this guy beating the cop on the steps (it isn't Officer Brian Sicknick on the steps). So you have enough probable cause to charge him with attempted murder.

Simply chanting 'hang Pence' isn't necessarily illegal.
That wasn't my point. Here's a guy who says he wants to carry out violence. Later, he actually goes on to carry out violence.

My point is that you are insistent in minimizing the severe harm potential of the mob involved in this event. Reading your comments, I get the impression that you think that it was not reasonable to believe that this mob would continue carrying out violent actions; or (less likely) that, even if it is obvious, in retrospect, that this would have been the case, it is something that no one could have foreseen during the time when it was actually happening. Either of these positions is absurd.

Not all mobs are equal. Not all mobs have the same stated & unstated intents. Not all mobs are announced in advance with people who are to form such a mob saying that they intend to do bad things. Not all mobs are the same size. Not all mobs are advancing toward congress in session after being prompted to "fight" by their religious cult leader.

In this case, we have one such mob saying that they wish to do a variety of violent things and also doing a variety of violent things. One would be reasonable in supposing that a high likelihood existed of this mob doing more violent things if put into a situation where doing said violent things was an option for them.

It's not that difficult.
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