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Old 10th January 2021, 10:46 AM   #2361
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Rioting is wrong. Protesting and demonstrating is fine for whatever cause you support.
Wasn't the USA created by riots or even worse violence?
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Old 10th January 2021, 12:18 PM   #2362
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Yes, this thing is bad. But other things are also bad and all bad things are the same.

Look at me, I’m a Republican! Wheeee!!!
Not just a Republican but a Trump supporter; some Republicans have opposed him from the start. Powell comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Wasn't the USA created by riots or even worse violence?
There was a lot of rioting and terrorism before the revolution; the Sons of Liberty certainly qualify as a terrorist group.
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Old 10th January 2021, 02:34 PM   #2364
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Not just a Republican but a Trump supporter; some Republicans have opposed him from the start. Powell comes to mind.
Powell,was apparently just on CNN saying he no longer considers himself a Republican.
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Old 10th January 2021, 02:46 PM   #2365
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Wasn't the USA created by riots or even worse violence?
1) it was very different times
2) it was illegal
3) the result is USA of Donal Trump, so it was possibly bad idea from the start
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Old 10th January 2021, 08:10 PM   #2366
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Powell,was apparently just on CNN saying he no longer considers himself a Republican.
Well, he could apply for RINO status.
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Old 11th January 2021, 08:27 AM   #2367
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
I get what you are saying, but disagreed. A street protest is one thing, and done by both sides. Jan 6th was an attack on an electoral count in progress in our very seat of Democracy. Antifa, BLM, and others did not smash through the White House's windows, kill a Secret Service agent by smashing a fire extinguisher on his head, and put their feet up on the desk in the Oval Office. This was different than street demonstrations.
Obvious question: Would Antifa have done that if they could have? I know that some here think I'm minimalizing the riot at the capitol, but from my standpoint, comparing the Trump loonies to the antifa-tards is caustic criticism.
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Old 11th January 2021, 09:30 AM   #2368
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Give us one example of BLM or Antfa storming an occupied building looking for people to attack.
How many gallows have BLM/Antifa erected?
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Old 11th January 2021, 09:35 AM   #2369
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Obvious question: Would Antifa have done that if they could have?
Nope.
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Old 11th January 2021, 10:34 AM   #2370
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Give us one example of BLM or Antfa storming an occupied building looking for people to attack.
How many gallows have BLM/Antifa erected?
https://nypost.com/2020/08/24/blm-pr...ation-on-fire/

You don't need to go in and storm a building looking to attack people, if you just burn them all alive.

No gallows, but does a guillotine count?
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Old 11th January 2021, 12:26 PM   #2372
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Powell,was apparently just on CNN saying he no longer considers himself a Republican.
Powell hasn't endorsed a single Republican candidate in well over a decade. He hasn't been a Republican in a very long time. The only news is that he finally stopped pretending, but everyone already knew.
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:25 PM   #2373
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Obvious question: Would Antifa have done that if they could have? I know that some here think I'm minimalizing the riot at the capitol, but from my standpoint, comparing the Trump loonies to the antifa-tards is caustic criticism.
Wow, the level of discourse from conservatives has gotten embarrassingly bad.
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:25 PM   #2374
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
https://nypost.com/2020/08/24/blm-pr...ation-on-fire/

You don't need to go in and storm a building looking to attack people, if you just burn them all alive.

No gallows, but does a guillotine count?
So “none” then, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Obvious question: Would Antifa have done that if they could have? I know that some here think I'm minimalizing the riot at the capitol, but from my standpoint, comparing the Trump loonies to the antifa-tards is caustic criticism.
Whether they 'would have' or not is rather moot, is it not? Right-wing extremists went to a Trump rally at the White House and were then sent to the Capitol to interrupt a session of the Legislative branch of the United States Government, which they did, smashing their way in places and being invited in others. It was done. There was no 'might' or 'maybe they will' about it.

There have been BLM protests there already. That opportunity has already been presented, with no attempt made to assault the government (and accompanied by an actual police presence, unlike the ralliot) that also didn't harm any officers. Also unlike the ralliot.
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Powell hasn't endorsed a single Republican candidate in well over a decade. He hasn't been a Republican in a very long time. The only news is that he finally stopped pretending, but everyone already knew.
Good for him.
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LAPD puts out APB for alleged hate crime assault of a black woman at a Trump protest. This is 5 days after the fact and only after public scrutiny.

The victim was attacked in plain view of the many police who were on the scene. The victim showed cell-phone video of the assault to the commanding officer on the scene and pointed her attackers out in the crowd, but the police refused to make an arrest.

Now they're trying to ID the unknown assailants that they let walk away from the crime scene.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status...21815695601665

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Nibo told BuzzFeed News she feared the mob would beat her to death. She did not respond to our calls seeking comment.

Natalicchio said a number of LAPD officers who were stationed across the street did not intervene.
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Old 12th January 2021, 06:10 AM   #2378
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Powell hasn't endorsed a single Republican candidate in well over a decade. He hasn't been a Republican in a very long time. The only news is that he finally stopped pretending, but everyone already knew.
I don't blame him.
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LAPD puts out APB for alleged hate crime assault of a black woman at a Trump protest. This is 5 days after the fact and only after public scrutiny.

The victim was attacked in plain view of the many police who were on the scene. The victim showed cell-phone video of the assault to the commanding officer on the scene and pointed her attackers out in the crowd, but the police refused to make an arrest.

Now they're trying to ID the unknown assailants that they let walk away from the crime scene.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status...21815695601665
I watched the video of that* and (prepares to be beaten down) she didn't seem completely innocent...Before you all start, I am absolutely not condoning what happened, it was shocking and hopefully my posting history shows which 'side' I'm on...it was just it was portrayed as innocent person walking home from work but (accepting I may have misunderstood) it looked like she was in their faces, videoing them before it all kicked off. Doesn't excuse it, throw the book at them (including the police who did bugger all) etc, etc and happy to be corrected on context - it just didn't look quite as portrayed (but still shocking).

* I am assuming this is the one I'd seen previously and very happy to be corrected on that or the context.

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Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen View Post
I watched the video of that* and (prepares to be beaten down) she didn't seem completely innocent...Before you all start, I am absolutely not condoning what happened, it was shocking and hopefully my posting history shows which 'side' I'm on...it was just it was portrayed as innocent person walking home from work but (accepting I may have misunderstood) it looked like she was in their faces, videoing them before it all kicked off. Doesn't excuse it, throw the book at them (including the police who did bugger all) etc, etc and happy to be corrected on context - it just didn't look quite as portrayed (but still shocking).

* I am assuming this is the one I'd seen previously and very happy to be corrected on that or the context.
Here's the video.

The mob of CHUDs follow her down the sidewalk, surround her, jeer, then beat her.

Pulling out a video recorder when being menaced on the public sidewalk is not an unusual response, nor is it provocation in any sense.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status...19168825167872

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347619168825167872

It's hard to keep things straight because the crowd uses similar tactics, and many of the same people also menaced another black woman, caught on video, in a very similar way. There are numerous examples of the fascists here committing assaults on counterprotestors without response from the police.
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Obvious question: Would Antifa have done that if they could have? I know that some here think I'm minimalizing the riot at the capitol, but from my standpoint, comparing the Trump loonies to the antifa-tards is caustic criticism.
I don't see why they would. Antifa is not political. They are anti-fascist. When fascists hit the street, antifa hits the fascists. As far as I can tell, they have no political objectives beyond 6that.

Or do you mean the summer rioters? Some antifa would be in there too, what with the whole cops-killing-people thing being kinda fascist. But not as antifa, if you take my meaning. Just as protesters with an intersectional target.
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
https://nypost.com/2020/08/24/blm-pr...ation-on-fire/

You don't need to go in and storm a building looking to attack people, if you just burn them all alive.

No gallows, but does a guillotine count?
Have you a reputable source for that?
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Powell hasn't endorsed a single Republican candidate in well over a decade. He hasn't been a Republican in a very long time. The only news is that he finally stopped pretending, but everyone already knew.
It's good to know that Republicanism is curable.


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Powell hasn't endorsed a single Republican candidate in well over a decade. He hasn't been a Republican in a very long time. The only news is that he finally stopped pretending, but everyone already knew.
He didn't move away from the Republican party, the Republican party moved away from him.
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There have been BLM protests there already. That opportunity has already been presented, with no attempt made to assault the government (and accompanied by an actual police presence, unlike the ralliot) that also didn't harm any officers. Also unlike the ralliot.
How about the 50+ secret service agents who were injured during the antifa/BLM riots at the White House this summer. The same riots that involved multiple fires, Molotov cocktails, fireworks, bricks and glass bottles that were used against law enforcement? I seem to recall one of those involving the Secret Service forcing the president into an underground bunker at the White House to which members on this board celebrated. Or do those riots not count for reasons?
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How about the 50+ secret service agents who were injured during the antifa/BLM riots at the White House this summer. The same riots that involved multiple fires, Molotov cocktails, fireworks, bricks and glass bottles that were used against law enforcement? I seem to recall one of those involving the Secret Service forcing the president into an underground bunker at the White House to which members on this board celebrated. Or do those riots not count for reasons?
How many died?
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Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
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Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
I humbly suggest that the motivations of the riot crowds are very different. Right wingers are much more explicit about "watering the tree of liberty" in their rhetoric, and it's no coincidence that their events are focused on causing personal injury.
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The sad part about what you said is you actually believe it.

You must have forgotten about all of the law enforcement officers who were shot/at injured and/or killed this summer during BLM/antifa riots, or did you willfully ignore what your team was doing?

Here’s a short list, pay attention:

Cincinnati police officer struck by bullet in his tactical helmet during protests.
Davenport police officer sent to hospital after someone opened fire on his patrol car.
Las Vegas officer on life-support after being shot in the head.
Lynchburg officers shot at during protests.
Minnesota police officers shot at during protest.
Oakland police officer shot and killed during protest.


That’s just a short list of the over 2000 police officers who were shot/at, killed and injured in the first 10 weeks. Hundreds more were hit with fire extinguishers, trashcan lids, baseball bats, cars, bricks, bottles etc.
So spare me you’re ignorant revisionist history, I’m not falling for it.
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The sad part about what you said is you actually believe it.

You must have forgotten about all of the law enforcement officers who were shot/at injured and/or killed this summer during BLM/antifa riots, or did you willfully ignore what your team was doing?

Here’s a short list, pay attention:

Cincinnati police officer struck by bullet in his tactical helmet during protests.
Davenport police officer sent to hospital after someone opened fire on his patrol car.
Las Vegas officer on life-support after being shot in the head.
Lynchburg officers shot at during protests.
Minnesota police officers shot at during protest.
Oakland police officer shot and killed during protest.


That’s just a short list of the over 2000 police officers who were shot/at, killed and injured in the first 10 weeks. Hundreds more were hit with fire extinguishers, trashcan lids, baseball bats, cars, bricks, bottles etc.
So spare me you’re ignorant revisionist history, I’m not falling for it.
The only fatality you list was the Oakland cop, who was shot by a right wing Boogaloo boy who was trying to accelerate civil war.
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Just to be absolutely clear to the perpetually confused here:
I think the insurrection and terrorist attack at the capitol is a much bigger deal than the Portland riots.
I think our biggest terrorist risk is domestic right-wingers. I think we have a very serious problem with these radicalized people infiltrating our police forces and military.

This thread began BEFORE the insurrection at the capitol. What could I possibly say about the ongoing rioting in Portland that would not be characterized as whataboutism or false equivalency? If a doctor has a patient with heart disease and cancer, he can talk about both even if one condition is far worse than the other.
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The only fatality you list was the Oakland cop, who was shot by a right wing Boogaloo boy who was trying to accelerate civil war.
Again, you’re dismissing the seriousness of your preferred insurrectionist because they are too incompetent to kill law enforcement when they try.
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Old 18th January 2021, 02:49 PM   #2393
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
He didn't move away from the Republican party, the Republican party moved away from him.
Many who find themselves at odds with former comrades say that, and not always truthfully. But true or not, it doesn't affect my previous post. Regardless of why Powell's standing as a Republican changed, the fact is that it changed long ago, and he was only pretending it hadn't.
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Old 18th January 2021, 05:02 PM   #2394
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Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
Where was the 'insurrection'?
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Old 18th January 2021, 06:07 PM   #2395
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Old 18th January 2021, 06:20 PM   #2396
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Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
I am definitely sympathetic to the cause of equal rights.

I am absolutely not sympathetic to seditionists who wanted to overturn an election they didn't like.

Now tell me why I'm wrong.
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Old 18th January 2021, 06:33 PM   #2397
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Many who find themselves at odds with former comrades say that, and not always truthfully. But true or not, it doesn't affect my previous post. Regardless of why Powell's standing as a Republican changed, the fact is that it changed long ago, and he was only pretending it hadn't.
I grew up reading George Will and William Saffire, who taught me about a principled conservatism that I respected even if I didn't always agree with it. I often did agree with it.

Modern conservatism has nothing to do with that. It's all about hating liberals, QAnon and other conspiracy theories, xenophobia and Trumpian lies fed by a new alternative fake media of Breitbart, the Epoch Times, Newsmax, OAN and other ******** media sites.

Powell is not perfect, but he is a person worthy of respect. It's significant that with very few exceptions, modern Republicans are not.

So no, pointing this out doesn't change the truth of your post, but it does add to its context. Powell hasn't endorsed anyone not because he's changed, but because none of the modern Republicans are worth endorsing if you're a person of principle who loves the United States of America.

This is the Republican party of today:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...T26?li=BBnb7Kz

"A top Republican official in Wyoming floated the idea of seceding from the United States after a high-profile member of his party from the Cowboy State embraced the impeachment of President Trump."

Trump has changed the Republican party into a party of people who hate the United States.
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Old 18th January 2021, 08:48 PM   #2398
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Again, you’re dismissing the seriousness of your preferred insurrectionist because they are too incompetent to kill law enforcement when they try.
It’s like watching a small child struggle with great determination to reach the cookie jar on top of the refrigerator. He wants it so badly but does not have the ability to connect his desires to reality. You sort of pity him in his valiant but futile effort, but ultimately you just have to laugh at how adorably foolish he looks.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Where was the 'insurrection'?
Fortunately, due to incompetence and effective security, the insurrection remained outside of the White House grounds.
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Your avatar is disgusting. Who could possibly take you seriously when you're running around sporting something like that. Pathetic.
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