Rioters storm and occupy the US Capitol - Page 46

Meadmaker · 12th January 2021, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Since there's no official definition of "organic," they could probably feed him almost anything and comply. Or they could feed him the most unpalatable food they can find, as long as it's "organic." Raw fish and prune juice three times a day.

Within the USDA, there is an official definition of "organic" as a food label. I can't remember when they finally made one up, but that label on food in the USA does have a specific meaning.

I tend to go with Jim Gaffigan's definition, noting that "organic" comes from a Greek word that means "twice as expensive".

Of course, Q-Shaman dude probably has his own definition, but that's another story. Whatever. He should be treated like every other criminal in whatever jail he's held.

cosmicaug · 12th January 2021, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

It's hard to say yet, but seems like the violent crowd of this last riot was not predominantly working class people.

The fascist right, despite it's propaganda, is not a blue collar movement. Lots of arrests of white collar professionals and small business owners this last time around.

Think about what kind of people have disposable income to fly across the country in the middle of the week for a political rally. hell, even the gunman that wanted to murder Pelosi on live TV had an Tavor, an Israeli rifle that is at least twice the cost of AR-15 rifles that are popular in this country.

To be fair, this is a case of survivorship bias,^WP. If you have a barrier to access (having to travel across the country on your own dime) you should not be surprised if the only folk there are folk with enough resources to overcome said barrier of access.

cosmicaug · 12th January 2021, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

There is an official definition. Twenty years old at this point even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organic_Program

More than one. That one is just the USDA one.

RecoveringYuppy · 12th January 2021, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

It's hard to say yet, but seems like the violent crowd of this last riot was not predominantly working class people.

The fascist right, despite it's propaganda, is not a blue collar movement. Lots of arrests of white collar professionals and small business owners this last time around.

Do they claim to be a "blue collar" movement?

There is a real wealth inequality problem in this country that is driving this populist movement in part. And I don't think wealth inequality is only a problem for manual laborers any more. The "working class" is not just blue collar these days.

RecoveringYuppy · 12th January 2021, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

Huh. Looks like the Pentagon may be working to rebrand the insurrection as "1st Amendment Protests."

That article doesn't support the claim that "the Pentagon may be working". It's Trumpists within the administration. I'd expect an official rebuke of that shortly.

SuburbanTurkey · 12th January 2021, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Do they claim to be a "blue collar" movement?

There is a real wealth inequality problem in this country that is driving this populist movement in part. And I don't think wealth inequality is only a problem for manual laborers any more. The "working class" is not just blue collar these days.

A lot of journalists and pundits seem to think they are.

Yes, plenty of jobs are working class that aren't traditional "blue collar", but details of the arrests show plenty of well-off people were taking an active role in the violence.

So far we've had an in-house attorney, a tech ceo, several state politicians, a woman wearing a $1,000+ designer sweater, the son of a judge, small business owners, a retired USAF Lt. Colonel.

It's not toothless rednecks, it's more likely to be some guy that owns a Honda dealership in the suburbs.

Quote:

An insurrection of upper-middle class white people | Will Bunch Newsletter

Yes, many of the 74 million citizens who voted for the guy who then incited an attempted coup do fit the stereotype of struggling or laid-off blue-collar worker in a rusted-out rural community. But those folks aren’t the ones who can take a Wednesday off and fly hundreds of miles, let alone plunk down hundreds of dollars, to get to the nation’s hub. While the Capitol mob was bulked up with other Trumpists — including an alarming number of off-duty police officers, as well as some neo-Nazi or KKK types who’ve been around forever — it was the 401(k) crowd that formed the front line of America’s first real putsch.

If that surprises you, then you weren’t really paying attention. For the last four years, political scientists have been trying to wrap their brains around Trump’s shocking 2016 victory in the Electoral College while trying to tell us that the 45th president’s true base is a lot of things — but it’s not poor. In fact, polling guru Nate Silver noted during 2016′s primaries that the average Trump voter had a median household income of $72,000, which was both higher than the national average and also higher than the numbers that year for supporters of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/...-20210112.html

catsmate · 12th January 2021, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Interesting side effect of the attack on the Capitol. Two Democrat legislators have tested positive for Covid. They claim they caught it when they were sheltering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

Apparently they refused to take masks when they were offered. This wasn't even grandstanding, they simply refused to take reasonable precautions to protect their colleagues.

What complete and utter ***** they are

The new Sergeant at Arms has imposed rules requiring masks and reminding congresscritters that they cannot bring firearms into the chamber.

sackett · 12th January 2021, 02:35 PM

Horned Man is entitled to his organic food.

Breakfast: organic potato boiled in US tested and certified tap water
Lunch: ditto
Dinner: ditto

Tomorrow: you can guess

SuburbanTurkey · 12th January 2021, 02:36 PM

Irony alert.

Feds seem to be charging coup participants based off guidance from Barr's September memo, then intended to be used to throw the book at BLM protestors and anfitfa.

The memo encourages rioters to be prosecuted as engaged in "seditious conspiracy", a term that the feds used today in the press release.

Fascists gonna get prosecuted like they're leftists. Womp womp.

https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/sta...04345745223680

RecoveringYuppy · 12th January 2021, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

A lot of journalists and pundits seem to think they are.

Yes, plenty of jobs are working class that aren't traditional "blue collar", but details of the arrests show plenty of well-off people were taking an active role in the violence.

Let me be clarify that I'm not questioning the makeup of the people who showed up at the Capitol. I'm pointing out that wage inequality spans more than manual labor these days. Probably a broader subject than this thread.

William Parcher · 12th January 2021, 02:53 PM

The FBI has a clear face photo of the fire extinguisher thrower, so he should get caught now.

RecoveringYuppy · 12th January 2021, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

That article doesn't support the claim that "the Pentagon may be working". It's Trumpists within the administration. I'd expect an official rebuke of that shortly.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/polit...ion/index.html

Segnosaur · 12th January 2021, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

The FBI has a clear face photo of the fire extinguisher thrower, so he should get caught now.

If anyone is interested, you can see a picture of him in the following news article.

NBC local channel

Vixen · 12th January 2021, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Since there's no official definition of "organic," they could probably feed him almost anything and comply. Or they could feed him the most unpalatable food they can find, as long as it's "organic." Raw fish and prune juice three times a day.

Maybe the flesh of those two dead raccoons he wore on his head.

Bloody Mommy's boy.

Rampaging insurrectionist one day and the next, he's crying for Mom.

smartcooky · 12th January 2021, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

I thought they were just commenting on how well-endowed the Vice President is. Pence is understandably upset, since that should

"Pence habet, et bene pendente"

Trebuchet · 12th January 2021, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Maybe the flesh of those two dead raccoons he wore on his head.

Bloody Mommy's boy.

Rampaging insurrectionist one day and the next, he's crying for Mom.

One of the zip tie morons was literally there with his mom.

Vixen · 12th January 2021, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

One of the zip tie morons was literally there with his mom.

Guess she won't be winning 'Parent of the Year' this year, then.

smartcooky · 12th January 2021, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

A lot of journalists and pundits seem to think they are.

Yes, plenty of jobs are working class that aren't traditional "blue collar", but details of the arrests show plenty of well-off people were taking an active role in the violence.

So far we've had an in-house attorney, a tech ceo, several state politicians, a woman wearing a $1,000+ designer sweater, the son of a judge, small business owners, a retired USAF Lt. Colonel.

It's not toothless rednecks, it's more likely to be some guy that owns a Honda dealership in the suburbs.

https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/...-20210112.html

".....the average Trump voter had a median household income of $72,000"

To quote the great Wes Harrison.. "They've got more money that brains"

Vixen · 12th January 2021, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

"Pence habet, et bene pendente"[/i]

I wonder how his first conversation with Trump went yesterday, some six days after the storming of the Capitol.

'Gee, Don, thanks a bunch!'

'You're welcome, old chum. It would have been a big honour for you to have died on my behalf. Now about you letting me down about the steal...'

Myriad · 12th January 2021, 03:21 PM

The rioters chanting "hang Pence" were probably just upset that the National Gallery hasn't put on an exhibition of the VP's highly-regarded watercolor cat paintings.

smartcooky · 12th January 2021, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Irony alert.

Feds seem to be charging coup participants based off guidance from Barr's September memo, then intended to be used to throw the book at BLM protestors and anfitfa.

The memo encourages rioters to be prosecuted as engaged in "seditious conspiracy", a term that the feds used today in the press release.

Fascists gonna get prosecuted like they're leftists. Womp womp.

https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/sta...04345745223680

Some irony is just delicious!!!

smartcooky · 12th January 2021, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

If anyone is interested, you can see a picture of him in the following news article.

NBC local channel

That's a Chicago Fire Dept beanie he's wearing

https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Fire-.../dp/B00JKMOC4O

Similar colour and style, same font and font size.

Babbylonian · 12th January 2021, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

One of the zip tie morons was literally there with his mom.

Originally Posted by Vixen

Guess she won't be winning 'Parent of the Year' this year, then.

She has, however, been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

bruto · 12th January 2021, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

She has, however, been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Speaking of the above, though I don't usually see much to praise in professional football, I hear the Patriots' coach Bob Belichek has publicly refused the Medal of Freedom, which I suspect makes our furiously stupid leader stupidly furious. Professional golf is tossing him overboard too.

cosmicaug · 12th January 2021, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Speaking of the above, though I don't usually see much to praise in professional football, I hear the Patriots' coach Bob Belichek has publicly refused the Medal of Freedom, which I suspect makes our furiously stupid leader stupidly furious. Professional golf is tossing him overboard too.

Rumor has it that the golf one really made him furious.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1348731325440733184

Quote:

He’s angry about impeachment, people who have spoken to him say. But the reaction to the PGA decision was different order of magnitude.

Bob001 · 12th January 2021, 04:04 PM

An unflattering portrait of the Capitol Police.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...d=lk_fullstory

Thermal · 12th January 2021, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Myriad

The rioters chanting "hang Pence" were probably just upset that the National Gallery hasn't put on an exhibition of the VP's highly-regarded watercolor cat paintings.

I assumed they were referring go what longboard surfers call hanging 11. Makes anatomical sense.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th January 2021, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

It's hard to say yet, but seems like the violent crowd of this last riot was not predominantly working class people.

The fascist right, despite it's propaganda, is not a blue collar movement. Lots of arrests of white collar professionals and small business owners this last time around.

Think about what kind of people have disposable income to fly across the country in the middle of the week for a political rally. hell, even the gunman that wanted to murder Pelosi on live TV had an Tavor, an Israeli rifle that is at least twice the cost of AR-15 rifles that are popular in this country.

Sharing this from another forum:

Quote:

Fascism appears to be a necessary component of late stage Capitalism. As tinier groups of people control and commodify resources, and destroy the environment, to gather wealth into more and more concentrated hands, it is required (by those groups) that public resistance to such a system, be quickly and efficiently obliterated.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/f...flow-1.3543375

Fintan O’Toole 2018

Made sense to me.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th January 2021, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

He is incorrect. While right wing extremists have traditionally been at war with federal law enforcement, their relationships with local cops has been much more cordial, even if only because inherently racist police departments always go easier on white people.

Cognitive dissonance and denial go together.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th January 2021, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Max_mang

I'm also very interested in those numbers. I think knowing how those numbers changed throughout the event can be very telling. Finding those kinds of details has been pretty difficult so far.

It's also difficult to find a detailed timeline of the events. They all seem to get murky at the point the woman shot and killed. Also the reports of when the National Guard was summoned and arrived are all over the place.

Heavy has some estimates.

Babbylonian · 12th January 2021, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

Rumor has it that the golf one really made him furious.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1348731325440733184

It shouldn't be surprising. That's going to cost him a lot of money. Golfers pay a premium, and will travel great distances, to play on PGA tournament courses.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th January 2021, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Yeah.

This has nothing to do with McCarthy having an epiphany about who was responsible for the insurrection and then doing the right thing. This is all about the ever increasing list of GOP donors that are turning off the tap...

American Express
BlueCross BlueShield
Commerce Bank
Amazon
Dow Chemical
Marriott
AT&T
Comcast
Verizon
3M
Bank of America
Citigroup
Coca-Cola
Deloitte
Ford
Goldman Sachs
Hallmark
Hilton
JP Morgan
Microsoft
Salesforce
Visa
UPS

its all about the money!

All those corporations had no issue with Trump's 4 years in office. But when they see the potential for an armed insurrection that will affect their bottom lines, that is going too far.

I am glad they did though.

johnny karate · 12th January 2021, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

".....the average Trump voter had a median household income of $72,000"

To quote the great Wes Harrison.. "They've got more money that brains"

As SuburbanTurkey’s article succinctly points out, it was never about economic anxiety.

It is and always has been about status and privilege anxiety.

Meadmaker · 12th January 2021, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

It shouldn't be surprising. That's going to cost him a lot of money. Golfers pay a premium, and will travel great distances, to play on PGA tournament courses.

His whole world is falling apart. If it were a more decent fellow that this was happening to, I would feel sorry for him. However, he has lived his whole life taking advantage of people and discarding them when they were no longer of use, so he is finally going to get what he deserves, ignominy, and a reputation of a fool that will follow him to the grave and beyond.

The idea of Trump as a Shakespearean anti-hero seems more and more appropriate to me. Like a MacBeth or Richard III. A man with everything needed to be happy. Fame, fortune, and power, but it is never enough. He needs more, and more, until finally he goes too far, and it all comes crashing down.

If the rumours of his pending bankruptcy are accurate, he could end up.....ordinary, but unloved. I don't think he will be able to take it. I doubt he will live a long life.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th January 2021, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

That's a Chicago Fire Dept beanie he's wearing

https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Fire-.../dp/B00JKMOC4O

Similar colour and style, same font and font size.

Might be but his facial hair looks like it precludes a tight face-piece fit which any fire fighter would need to wear an SCBA or a gas mask.

d4m10n · 12th January 2021, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

...it was never about economic anxiety.

It is and always has been about status and privilege anxiety.

What on earth makes anyone think economic privileges are readily severable from non-economic ones?

EHocking · 12th January 2021, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Might be but his facial hair looks like it precludes a tight face-piece fit which any fire fighter would need to wear an SCBA or a gas mask.

Not everyone in a fire dept actively fights fires.

He probably just made the coffee.

rdaneel · 12th January 2021, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Yeah.

This has nothing to do with McCarthy having an epiphany about who was responsible for the insurrection and then doing the right thing. This is all about the ever increasing list of GOP donors that are turning off the tap...

American Express
BlueCross BlueShield
Commerce Bank
Amazon
Dow Chemical
Marriott
AT&T
Comcast
Verizon
3M
Bank of America
Citigroup
Coca-Cola
Deloitte
Ford
Goldman Sachs
Hallmark
Hilton
JP Morgan
Microsoft
Salesforce
Visa
UPS

its all about the money!

And some are willing to turn on the tap, on one condition of course.

Anti-Trump group pledges $50 million effort to defend Republican impeachment supporters

Skeptic Ginger · 12th January 2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by EHocking

Not everyone in a fire dept actively fights fires.

He probably just made the coffee.

Trebuchet · 12th January 2021, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

Rumor has it that the golf one really made him furious.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1348731325440733184

Of course. It affects his bottom line. That's what it's all about.

12th January 2021, 02:09 PM	#1801
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,813	Originally Posted by Bob001 Since there's no official definition of "organic," they could probably feed him almost anything and comply. Or they could feed him the most unpalatable food they can find, as long as it's "organic." Raw fish and prune juice three times a day. Within the USDA, there is an official definition of "organic" as a food label. I can't remember when they finally made one up, but that label on food in the USA does have a specific meaning. I tend to go with Jim Gaffigan's definition, noting that "organic" comes from a Greek word that means "twice as expensive". Of course, Q-Shaman dude probably has his own definition, but that's another story. Whatever. He should be treated like every other criminal in whatever jail he's held.
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12th January 2021, 02:10 PM	#1802
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,461	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey It's hard to say yet, but seems like the violent crowd of this last riot was not predominantly working class people. The fascist right, despite it's propaganda, is not a blue collar movement. Lots of arrests of white collar professionals and small business owners this last time around. Think about what kind of people have disposable income to fly across the country in the middle of the week for a political rally. hell, even the gunman that wanted to murder Pelosi on live TV had an Tavor, an Israeli rifle that is at least twice the cost of AR-15 rifles that are popular in this country. To be fair, this is a case of survivorship bias,^WP. If you have a barrier to access (having to travel across the country on your own dime) you should not be surprised if the only folk there are folk with enough resources to overcome said barrier of access.
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12th January 2021, 02:13 PM	#1803
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,461	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy There is an official definition. Twenty years old at this point even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organic_Program More than one. That one is just the USDA one.
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12th January 2021, 02:27 PM	#1806
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Do they claim to be a "blue collar" movement? There is a real wealth inequality problem in this country that is driving this populist movement in part. And I don't think wealth inequality is only a problem for manual laborers any more. The "working class" is not just blue collar these days. A lot of journalists and pundits seem to think they are. Yes, plenty of jobs are working class that aren't traditional "blue collar", but details of the arrests show plenty of well-off people were taking an active role in the violence. So far we've had an in-house attorney, a tech ceo, several state politicians, a woman wearing a $1,000+ designer sweater, the son of a judge, small business owners, a retired USAF Lt. Colonel. It's not toothless rednecks, it's more likely to be some guy that owns a Honda dealership in the suburbs. Quote: An insurrection of upper-middle class white people \| Will Bunch Newsletter Yes, many of the 74 million citizens who voted for the guy who then incited an attempted coup do fit the stereotype of struggling or laid-off blue-collar worker in a rusted-out rural community. But those folks aren’t the ones who can take a Wednesday off and fly hundreds of miles, let alone plunk down hundreds of dollars, to get to the nation’s hub. While the Capitol mob was bulked up with other Trumpists — including an alarming number of off-duty police officers, as well as some neo-Nazi or KKK types who’ve been around forever — it was the 401(k) crowd that formed the front line of America’s first real putsch. If that surprises you, then you weren’t really paying attention. For the last four years, political scientists have been trying to wrap their brains around Trump’s shocking 2016 victory in the Electoral College while trying to tell us that the 45th president’s true base is a lot of things — but it’s not poor. In fact, polling guru Nate Silver noted during 2016′s primaries that the average Trump voter had a median household income of $72,000, which was both higher than the national average and also higher than the numbers that year for supporters of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/...-20210112.html
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12th January 2021, 02:33 PM	#1807
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,490	Originally Posted by The Don Interesting side effect of the attack on the Capitol. Two Democrat legislators have tested positive for Covid. They claim they caught it when they were sheltering. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share Apparently they refused to take masks when they were offered. This wasn't even grandstanding, they simply refused to take reasonable precautions to protect their colleagues. What complete and utter ***** they are The new Sergeant at Arms has imposed rules requiring masks and reminding congresscritters that they cannot bring firearms into the chamber.
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12th January 2021, 02:17 PM	#1804
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,352	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey It's hard to say yet, but seems like the violent crowd of this last riot was not predominantly working class people. The fascist right, despite it's propaganda, is not a blue collar movement. Lots of arrests of white collar professionals and small business owners this last time around. Do they claim to be a "blue collar" movement? There is a real wealth inequality problem in this country that is driving this populist movement in part. And I don't think wealth inequality is only a problem for manual laborers any more. The "working class" is not just blue collar these days.

12th January 2021, 02:23 PM	#1805
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,352	Originally Posted by Aridas Huh. Looks like the Pentagon may be working to rebrand the insurrection as "1st Amendment Protests." That article doesn't support the claim that "the Pentagon may be working". It's Trumpists within the administration. I'd expect an official rebuke of that shortly.

12th January 2021, 02:35 PM	#1808
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 6,302	Horned Man is entitled to his organic food. Breakfast: organic potato boiled in US tested and certified tap water Lunch: ditto Dinner: ditto Tomorrow: you can guess
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12th January 2021, 02:36 PM	#1809
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,276	Irony alert. Feds seem to be charging coup participants based off guidance from Barr's September memo, then intended to be used to throw the book at BLM protestors and anfitfa. The memo encourages rioters to be prosecuted as engaged in "seditious conspiracy", a term that the feds used today in the press release. Fascists gonna get prosecuted like they're leftists. Womp womp. https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/sta...04345745223680
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12th January 2021, 02:37 PM	#1810
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,352	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey A lot of journalists and pundits seem to think they are. Yes, plenty of jobs are working class that aren't traditional "blue collar", but details of the arrests show plenty of well-off people were taking an active role in the violence. Let me be clarify that I'm not questioning the makeup of the people who showed up at the Capitol. I'm pointing out that wage inequality spans more than manual labor these days. Probably a broader subject than this thread.

12th January 2021, 02:53 PM	#1811
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 25,729	The FBI has a clear face photo of the fire extinguisher thrower, so he should get caught now.
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12th January 2021, 03:05 PM	#1812
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,352	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy That article doesn't support the claim that "the Pentagon may be working". It's Trumpists within the administration. I'd expect an official rebuke of that shortly. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/polit...ion/index.html

12th January 2021, 03:09 PM	#1813
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 16,869	Originally Posted by William Parcher The FBI has a clear face photo of the fire extinguisher thrower, so he should get caught now. If anyone is interested, you can see a picture of him in the following news article. NBC local channel
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12th January 2021, 03:12 PM	#1814
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,253	Originally Posted by Bob001 Since there's no official definition of "organic," they could probably feed him almost anything and comply. Or they could feed him the most unpalatable food they can find, as long as it's "organic." Raw fish and prune juice three times a day. Maybe the flesh of those two dead raccoons he wore on his head. Bloody Mommy's boy. Rampaging insurrectionist one day and the next, he's crying for Mom.
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12th January 2021, 03:13 PM	#1815
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,510	Originally Posted by timhau I thought they were just commenting on how well-endowed the Vice President is. Pence is understandably upset, since that should "Pence habet, et bene pendente"
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12th January 2021, 03:15 PM	#1816
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,654	Originally Posted by Vixen Maybe the flesh of those two dead raccoons he wore on his head. Bloody Mommy's boy. Rampaging insurrectionist one day and the next, he's crying for Mom. One of the zip tie morons was literally there with his mom.
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12th January 2021, 03:18 PM	#1817
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,253	Originally Posted by Trebuchet One of the zip tie morons was literally there with his mom. Guess she won't be winning 'Parent of the Year' this year, then.
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12th January 2021, 03:19 PM	#1818
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,510	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey A lot of journalists and pundits seem to think they are. Yes, plenty of jobs are working class that aren't traditional "blue collar", but details of the arrests show plenty of well-off people were taking an active role in the violence. So far we've had an in-house attorney, a tech ceo, several state politicians, a woman wearing a $1,000+ designer sweater, the son of a judge, small business owners, a retired USAF Lt. Colonel. It's not toothless rednecks, it's more likely to be some guy that owns a Honda dealership in the suburbs. https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/...-20210112.html ".....the average Trump voter had a median household income of $72,000" To quote the great Wes Harrison.. "They've got more money that brains"
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12th January 2021, 03:21 PM	#1819
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,253	Originally Posted by smartcooky "Pence habet, et bene pendente"[/i] I wonder how his first conversation with Trump went yesterday, some six days after the storming of the Capitol. 'Gee, Don, thanks a bunch!' 'You're welcome, old chum. It would have been a big honour for you to have died on my behalf. Now about you letting me down about the steal...'
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12th January 2021, 03:21 PM	#1820
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 17,283	The rioters chanting "hang Pence" were probably just upset that the National Gallery hasn't put on an exhibition of the VP's highly-regarded watercolor cat paintings.
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12th January 2021, 03:22 PM	#1821
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,510	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Irony alert. Feds seem to be charging coup participants based off guidance from Barr's September memo, then intended to be used to throw the book at BLM protestors and anfitfa. The memo encourages rioters to be prosecuted as engaged in "seditious conspiracy", a term that the feds used today in the press release. Fascists gonna get prosecuted like they're leftists. Womp womp. https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/sta...04345745223680 Some irony is just delicious!!!
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12th January 2021, 03:28 PM	#1822
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,510	Originally Posted by Segnosaur If anyone is interested, you can see a picture of him in the following news article. NBC local channel That's a Chicago Fire Dept beanie he's wearing https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Fire-.../dp/B00JKMOC4O Similar colour and style, same font and font size.
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12th January 2021, 03:37 PM	#1823
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,424	Originally Posted by Trebuchet One of the zip tie morons was literally there with his mom. Originally Posted by Vixen Guess she won't be winning 'Parent of the Year' this year, then. She has, however, been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

12th January 2021, 03:54 PM	#1824
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,309	Originally Posted by Babbylonian She has, however, been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Speaking of the above, though I don't usually see much to praise in professional football, I hear the Patriots' coach Bob Belichek has publicly refused the Medal of Freedom, which I suspect makes our furiously stupid leader stupidly furious. Professional golf is tossing him overboard too.
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12th January 2021, 03:58 PM	#1825
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,461	Originally Posted by bruto Speaking of the above, though I don't usually see much to praise in professional football, I hear the Patriots' coach Bob Belichek has publicly refused the Medal of Freedom, which I suspect makes our furiously stupid leader stupidly furious. Professional golf is tossing him overboard too. Rumor has it that the golf one really made him furious. https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1348731325440733184 Quote: He’s angry about impeachment, people who have spoken to him say. But the reaction to the PGA decision was different order of magnitude.
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12th January 2021, 04:04 PM	#1826
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,378	An unflattering portrait of the Capitol Police. https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...d=lk_fullstory

12th January 2021, 04:04 PM	#1827
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 13,107	Originally Posted by Myriad The rioters chanting "hang Pence" were probably just upset that the National Gallery hasn't put on an exhibition of the VP's highly-regarded watercolor cat paintings. I assumed they were referring go what longboard surfers call hanging 11. Makes anatomical sense.
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12th January 2021, 04:09 PM	#1828
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,862	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey It's hard to say yet, but seems like the violent crowd of this last riot was not predominantly working class people. The fascist right, despite it's propaganda, is not a blue collar movement. Lots of arrests of white collar professionals and small business owners this last time around. Think about what kind of people have disposable income to fly across the country in the middle of the week for a political rally. hell, even the gunman that wanted to murder Pelosi on live TV had an Tavor, an Israeli rifle that is at least twice the cost of AR-15 rifles that are popular in this country. Sharing this from another forum: Quote: Fascism appears to be a necessary component of late stage Capitalism. As tinier groups of people control and commodify resources, and destroy the environment, to gather wealth into more and more concentrated hands, it is required (by those groups) that public resistance to such a system, be quickly and efficiently obliterated. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/f...flow-1.3543375 Fintan O’Toole 2018 Made sense to me.

12th January 2021, 04:14 PM	#1829
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,862	Originally Posted by Babbylonian He is incorrect. While right wing extremists have traditionally been at war with federal law enforcement, their relationships with local cops has been much more cordial, even if only because inherently racist police departments always go easier on white people. Cognitive dissonance and denial go together.

12th January 2021, 04:24 PM	#1830
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,862	Originally Posted by Max_mang I'm also very interested in those numbers. I think knowing how those numbers changed throughout the event can be very telling. Finding those kinds of details has been pretty difficult so far. It's also difficult to find a detailed timeline of the events. They all seem to get murky at the point the woman shot and killed. Also the reports of when the National Guard was summoned and arrived are all over the place. Heavy has some estimates.

12th January 2021, 04:30 PM	#1831
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,424	Originally Posted by cosmicaug Rumor has it that the golf one really made him furious. https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1348731325440733184 It shouldn't be surprising. That's going to cost him a lot of money. Golfers pay a premium, and will travel great distances, to play on PGA tournament courses.

12th January 2021, 04:33 PM	#1832
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,862	Originally Posted by smartcooky Yeah. This has nothing to do with McCarthy having an epiphany about who was responsible for the insurrection and then doing the right thing. This is all about the ever increasing list of GOP donors that are turning off the tap... American Express BlueCross BlueShield Commerce Bank Amazon Dow Chemical Marriott AT&T Comcast Verizon 3M Bank of America Citigroup Coca-Cola Deloitte Ford Goldman Sachs Hallmark Hilton JP Morgan Microsoft Salesforce Visa UPS its all about the money! All those corporations had no issue with Trump's 4 years in office. But when they see the potential for an armed insurrection that will affect their bottom lines, that is going too far. I am glad they did though.

12th January 2021, 04:36 PM	#1833
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,242	Originally Posted by smartcooky ".....the average Trump voter had a median household income of $72,000" To quote the great Wes Harrison.. "They've got more money that brains" As SuburbanTurkey’s article succinctly points out, it was never about economic anxiety. It is and always has been about status and privilege anxiety.

12th January 2021, 04:56 PM	#1834
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,813	Originally Posted by Babbylonian It shouldn't be surprising. That's going to cost him a lot of money. Golfers pay a premium, and will travel great distances, to play on PGA tournament courses. His whole world is falling apart. If it were a more decent fellow that this was happening to, I would feel sorry for him. However, he has lived his whole life taking advantage of people and discarding them when they were no longer of use, so he is finally going to get what he deserves, ignominy, and a reputation of a fool that will follow him to the grave and beyond. The idea of Trump as a Shakespearean anti-hero seems more and more appropriate to me. Like a MacBeth or Richard III. A man with everything needed to be happy. Fame, fortune, and power, but it is never enough. He needs more, and more, until finally he goes too far, and it all comes crashing down. If the rumours of his pending bankruptcy are accurate, he could end up.....ordinary, but unloved. I don't think he will be able to take it. I doubt he will live a long life.
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12th January 2021, 05:01 PM	#1835
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,862	Originally Posted by smartcooky That's a Chicago Fire Dept beanie he's wearing https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Fire-.../dp/B00JKMOC4O Similar colour and style, same font and font size. Might be but his facial hair looks like it precludes a tight face-piece fit which any fire fighter would need to wear an SCBA or a gas mask.