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Coronavirus hygge - an American in Denmark during the pandemic:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before." "Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893) |
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I propose a two-week worldwide lockdown to rid humanity of the flu and most other infectious diseases!
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Swedish author and journalist Jan Guillou (Wikipedia) criticizes the way that Sweden, the USA (and capitalism in general) cope with the coronavirus:
Den råbarkade sanning som högern förnekar är att kapitalism är dödligt (Aftonbladet, April 12, 2020) The tough truth that right-wingers deny is that capitalism kills |
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"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before." "Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893) |
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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Didn't they? You are obviously very upset about the Swedish mismanagement of the response to Covid-19, but do you really consider it an argument that people die from diseases under socialism? Did anybody, Jan Guillou or I, for instance, claim that people only die from diseases under capitalism? They most certainly are, but as you can see, even somebody who is a big fan of the Social Democratic response to Covid-19 in Sweden doesn't think that they are socialists. Neither do I. |
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I'm not upset, but it's telling that you find it within yourself to quote a dictator loving far-left extremist.
The problem with a serious lack of emergency preparedness and shortages in healthcare equipment and supplies is not nothing new. It has been a systemic fault caused by political decisions that has been acceptable by all the major political parties over decades since the end of the cold war and it has nothing to do with "capitalism". The decentralization of healthcare organization and funding combined with increased municipal autonomy has been a mixed blessing in that it has protected some regions and municipalities from the kind of severe mismanagement that others (including Stockholm) has been subject to. Sweden's riches have been concentrated in the capital for as long as this country has existed, but somehow these greedy bastards find it beneath themselves to adequately fund their own healthcare, blaming the rest of country for siphoning off their money. Just before this crisis they were sacking doctors and nurses because they had wasted so much money on a boondoggle of a new hospital. Hell the situation in many of the regions has been so unstable that when a couple of them changed the supplier of medical equipment and supplies, naturally to the one bidding the lowest, they suddenly found themselves in a crisis because the supplier couldn't keep up. Since many of the regions only have supplies on hand for just 48 hours, they had to pretty much stop all non-mandatory and non-emergency operations for two months. That was without Corona virus pandemic. |
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I have two quotes in my most recent post, one of yours and of Ulf Nereng's. Which one of you is the "dictator loving far-left extremist? ![]()
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Country Deaths per million (TV2, April 14, 2020)
Sverige 103 USA 74 Danmark 52 And for the benefit of Baylor who insisted on comparing the USA with Norway: Norge 26 |
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22 researchers criticize the Swedish corona strategy, describe it as failed and ask the politicians to take control of it (Dagens Nyheter, April 14, 2020)
The chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, claims that the researchers got the number of deaths wrong (SVT.se, April 14, 2020) He also says that there's going to be quite a lot of deaths for a while longer (Aftonbladet, April 14, 2020) The interview in Aftonbladet also has this gem (or turd):
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Hmmm. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9462796.html
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There is every possibility of a vaccine against this virus. It is also clear that it is possible to slow the spread very dramatically with test/trace/isolate operations and that when such an operation is in place it is then possible to ease off on quarantine restrictions to allow many people back to work and get the economy moving to some extent. Not only that, the experience of China, New Zealand and the Faroe Isles suggests that this virus is actually eradicable, with the main confounder being incoming travellers. (It will be interesting to see how New Zealand deals with that in the coming months.) This is in all probability a medium term problem. Vaccine science is a highly developed subject and the urgency is great. Multiple teams are working on different approaches. A year, quite possibly. 18 months, probably. Two years, maybe. It is certainly possible to keep a test/trace/isolate operation going that long. That has the potential to save untold numbers of lives. South Korea is already demonstrating that. How is it possible that any country can be so careless of lives as to essentially give up the fight more or less before they started? |
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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I guess they simply don't understand the science. Which is maybe not surprising as there is a lot of misinformation and faulty reasoning around. We'll see how they stomach the death toll that's coming down the road if they decide to move back into the house while it's still burning.
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Well for one, Spain:
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So it seems that no country you can name has actually "given up." Spain seems to be tentatively relaxing some restrictions. This is what's going to happen when strict measures have lowered new cases of the virus according to the Hammer and Dance model, which will not happen in Sweden due to their political choices.
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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Which will increase the risk of new infections and subsequent deaths that could have been prevented by not relaxing any restrictions.
I thought the whole point was to wait until they have reached somewhere near the end of the curve and then cautiously open up. If anything this would just extend the length that a lock-down is necessary, but it guess that might be acceptable. |
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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Indeed. Perhaps it's too soon.
That's the idea, but as we all know, there are political pressures and other factors. In a perfect world, individuals would take up the mantle during this crisis, isolate themselves, and sacrifice convenience to protect their neighbors. What I see is that all too often entitled jerks posture their freedom, lick doorknobs, and act like dickholes. My question to you is where do you think Sweden falls in this spectrum? |
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Your hyperbole whenever you are talking about other countries than Sweden should tell you that you are trying to fool yourself. (And whenever you are talking about Sweden, you always play it down.) In post 132 above, I linked to an article about the protests from 22 researchers. However, most of it was behind a paywall. The new article in Danish isn't:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Sweden: 22 Scientists Say Coronavirus Strategy Has Failed As Deaths Top 1,000 (Forbes, April 14, 2020)
Sweden's coronavirus strategy sparks fierce debate as deaths pass 1,000 (TheLocal.se, April 14, 2020) Coronavirus deaths in Sweden pass 1,000 (India Today, April 14, 2020) Coronavirus deaths in Sweden exceed 1000 (The Canberra Times, April 15, 2020) And then there's this from last week about the strange case of Swedish nationalism and authoritarian thinking, which has already been demonstrated in this thread:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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An aside about Swedish authoritarianism, but not about the corona crisis:
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It goes against the grain of Swedish mentality to doubt what their leaders tell them to think. It's a tough job to be Jan Guillou in a country like Sweden, but somebody's gotta do it. |
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Hi everyone. Hope you had a nice Easter.
About Swedish trust in authority, that's pretty much correct. It's more or less a given in Swedish culture to trust what authorities say, or at the very least, obey. Debate is welcome and often quite fierce - as is the case right now about the matters under discussion in this thread - but it is still up to the authorities to make a decision and expect that decision to be followed. I'd say that's more or less how a Democracy is supposed to function. It could be construed that this makes us vulnerable to unscrupulous politicians, but we also have a strong press and, as I said, the debate is fierce. Over all, authorities are manned by people, and we sort of rely on them making decisions that benefit all people. |
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Thank you, yes, and I hope you enjoyed Easter, too.
But I think it's time for you to stop relying on them making decisions that benefit all people. It doesn't seem to be working very well in this situation. Their decisions are making too many people sick, and it kills some of them, too. You should start thinking for yourselves. Do what skeptics are supposed to do. I mean, look at the arguments of this guy, Anders Tegnell: |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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And compared with San Marino, everbody is doing great, so if we all apply this nationalistic strategy diligently, all countries except one will come out as winners in the end! It is Trump's strategy, and yours as well: hyperbole and comparisons with countries that appear to be doing even worse in order to make your country seem good! (And as for Belgium, Al Jazeera is quite impressed by the country's efforts to combat the virus: How a 'failed state' managed to contain a coronavirus outbreak - Belgium has long been written off as a dysfunctional state, yet its pandemic response has been remarkably functional. (Al Jazeera, April 13, 2020)) |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I can't comprehend the argument that Sweden's COVID policy is authoritarian.
An authoritarian government would be requiring compliance with strict rules and enforce those rules with force. That would eliminate the autonomy and choice of citizens. This is not the policy that Sweden has invoked. Instead, the Swedish government is very soft in its policy. This allows Swedish citizens to exercise more caution than the government is requiring. This policy as I understand its implementation is the opposite of authoritarian. There exist many times more freedom in the latter than the former. |
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That is good because that's not the argument. Did you read any of the articles in English that I've linked to? You appear to see the word 'authoritarian' and then assume that it's the same kind of authoritarianism that you expect to hear about whenever the word is mentioned, but I have been very careful about stressing that I am talking about the very particular kind of authoritarianism that you'll find in Swedes, i.e. the one that we have seen examples of exhibited by Swedes in this thread, the kind where Swedes accept what the government tells them even when facts like the death toll from the virus in Sweden is much worse than in all neighboring countries: twice that of Denmark, four times that of Norway. Not to mention all the weird arguments against the appalling conditions in Swedish hospitals and the fact that nursing homes have been particularly hard hit used as an excuse for the governments inaction: No preparations, no equipment, no tests ... In all other countries, the USA for instance, the government is criticized for lack of preparations. In this thread, that has been the main argument in favor of Sweden's coronavirus response.
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You obviously choose the point where Swedish authoritarianism differs from the ordinary kind, the one you expect when you hear the word, but at the same time you invent a feature of it that doesn't distinguish it from any other response to the coronavirus: I haven't yet heard of any government forbidding its citizens to "exercise more caution than the government is requiring." Have you?
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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No, that's not the point. If you want to get the point, you should instead look at the arguments that have been presented in this thread by Arcade22 and uke2se. Compare this sentence: "one of the distinctive features of Swedish political culture is that it is both more authoritarian and more democratic than the European norm." with this description of Swedish political culture: |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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