ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Non-USA & General Politics
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags Brexit

Reply
Old 22nd July 2020, 01:47 AM   #361
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 30,229
David Lammy is not happy: https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/stat...339958272?s=20

Quote:
Every word of this is the truth...
Video embedded in tweet.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 01:56 AM   #362
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 30,229
And here's a test; which of today's papers have this as front page news?

Here's the front pages

Those with it as the main headline:

Metro, Financial Times, Daily Mail1, i, The Guardian, Daily Express2.

Those who have something related:

The Times, going with Boris giving M15 new powers to tackle Russian interference.

Those who don't mention it at all:

Daily Telegraph3, Daily Star, Daily Mirror4

Not featured on that page:

The Sun (although a quick perusal of the front page of their website sees that story nowhere to be found).

1Although they appear to be downplaying the government's complicity

2Although their take is to have Boris' denial be the headline and story

3There's a teeny-tiny story down at the bottom of the page

4Puzzling, given they're the only left-wing tabloid
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 02:02 AM   #363
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,361
Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
David Lammy is not happy: https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/stat...339958272?s=20



Video embedded in tweet.
I certainly agree with him but then again, as a Remoaner, I would.

The trouble is that, thanks to the British electorate, the Conservatives have a thumping majority and a clear mandate to implement whatever kind of Brexit they see fit. Given that they seem hell-bent on a no-deal Brexit, with all that entails, then that's what we'll get.

Repeated votes to strike down food standards, employment rights and NHS protection in light of demands from the US for their trade deal show the clear direction of travel for the government post-Brexit despite all their manifesto assurances.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 02:29 AM   #364
Firestone
Proud Award Award recipient
 
Firestone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Belgium
Posts: 2,492
Well, about that US-UK trade deal:

"The UK government has abandoned hopes of reaching a trade deal with America ahead of the US presidential election in November, with British officials blaming the Covid-19 pandemic for slow progress."

https://www.ft.com/content/383f174e-...3-d2b5f6453fd4
__________________
Vote Early. Vote Once. 2016 versus 2020
The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it, with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age. -- Carl Sagan
Firestone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 02:54 AM   #365
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,361
Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
Well, about that US-UK trade deal:

"The UK government has abandoned hopes of reaching a trade deal with America ahead of the US presidential election in November, with British officials blaming the Covid-19 pandemic for slow progress."

https://www.ft.com/content/383f174e-...3-d2b5f6453fd4
I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 03:00 AM   #366
Jack by the hedge
Safely Ignored
 
Jack by the hedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 10,648
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.
I had assumed something similar. Perhaps briefing the press that they cannot achieve what no sane person imagined they could achieve is not aimed at sane people. It might be managing the expectations of the people who demanded to know in late 2016 "why haven't we left yet".
Jack by the hedge is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 03:00 AM   #367
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 30,229
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I certainly agree with him but then again, as a Remoaner, I would.

The trouble is that, thanks to the British electorate, the Conservatives have a thumping majority and a clear mandate to implement whatever kind of Brexit they see fit. Given that they seem hell-bent on a no-deal Brexit, with all that entails, then that's what we'll get.

Repeated votes to strike down food standards, employment rights and NHS protection in light of demands from the US for their trade deal show the clear direction of travel for the government post-Brexit despite all their manifesto assurances.
If only someone had said something at the time, eh?
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 03:07 AM   #368
Wudang
BOFH
 
Wudang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Posts: 13,062
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.
From February 2016 https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3189151.html

Quote:
the words of a leading American trade negotiator discussing the slow progress being made on a trade deal between the US and the EU. It was taking time, he said, because the US was having to learn how to deal with an adversary who was an equal. This was in stark contrast with the way the US deals with individual countries. “Normally we just fax them our terms and tell them to sign.”
__________________
"Your deepest pools, like your deepest politicians and philosophers, often turn out more shallow than expected." Walter Scott.
Wudang is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 03:52 AM   #369
Firestone
Proud Award Award recipient
 
Firestone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Belgium
Posts: 2,492
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.
My understanding is that the UK can negotiate trade deals now, but that these deals can come into force only in 2021.

The UK government and the Trump administration had made a lot of noises that a deal would easily be reached by this summer, quod non apparently.

Quote:
The UK has left the EU. We are now able to negotiate, sign and ratify new trade agreements. These can come into force after 31 December 2020.

The UK’s priority is to launch negotiations with the EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand and Japan.

The government is continuing its programme of work to reproduce effects of existing EU trade agreements. It is also considering joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...%20and%20Japan.
__________________
Vote Early. Vote Once. 2016 versus 2020
The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it, with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age. -- Carl Sagan

Last edited by Firestone; 22nd July 2020 at 03:54 AM.
Firestone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 09:36 AM   #370
Wudang
BOFH
 
Wudang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Posts: 13,062
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...dling-11390068

Quote:
Boris Johnson's dad wants Brexit re-run over 'obvious' Russia meddling
__________________
"Your deepest pools, like your deepest politicians and philosophers, often turn out more shallow than expected." Walter Scott.
Wudang is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 10:37 AM   #371
Lothian
should be banned
 
Lothian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside
Posts: 15,715
Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Pah, as Grant Shapps pointed out on R4 this morning'-
The Government has seen no evidence of Russian meddling.

Almost as if he hadn't read the report to work out why that might be.
Lothian is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 10:43 AM   #372
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 30,229
Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Pah, as Grant Shapps pointed out on R4 this morning'-
The Government has seen no evidence of Russian meddling.

Almost as if he hadn't read the report to work out why that might be.
"Ships? I see no ships!"
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 04:57 PM   #373
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 29,442
Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m

Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”.


https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd July 2020, 10:24 PM   #374
gypsyjackson
Muse
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Posts: 931
Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Those who don't mention it at all:

Daily Telegraph3, Daily Star, Daily Mirror4

4Puzzling, given they're the only left-wing tabloid
Isn’t the Mirror now part of the Reach group, in with the Express and the Star, these days?

So while it still maintains a broadly left-wing editorial line, perhaps it’s been told not to write on this.
gypsyjackson is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 12:01 AM   #375
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,361
Originally Posted by gypsyjackson View Post
Isn’t the Mirror now part of the Reach group, in with the Express and the Star, these days?

So while it still maintains a broadly left-wing editorial line, perhaps it’s been told not to write on this.
I'd be surprised, not least because Reach originated from Trinity Mirror. If there was editorial interference then I'd expect it to be the other way, with the Express being asked to be a touch less right wing. I see no evidence of that.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 12:04 AM   #376
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,361
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m

Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”.


https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a
The bad news is that the deal could see the UK taxpayer losing at least $500m - after all we're likely to plough more money in to pay for some satellites which will never appear or never work properly.

The "good" news is that even if the losses run into billions, they'll just be a rounding error in the much broader economic damage brought on by Brexit and by this government's scandalous mishandling of Covid-19.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 03:01 AM   #377
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 29,442
Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office.
This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt.

That's nice,
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 03:05 AM   #378
Darat
Lackey
Administrator
 
Darat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: South East, UK
Posts: 94,222
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office.
This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt.

That's nice,
Sounds like they've worked out the problem they are concerned about is the numbers....
__________________
I wish I knew how to quit you
Darat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 05:43 AM   #379
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,361
Looks like the UK's Brexit negotiators are doing their job - if their job is to ensure a no-deal Brexit.

Quote:
The UK and EU have said they still remain some way off reaching a post-Brexit trade agreement, following the latest negotiations in London.

UK chief negotiator David Frost said there were "considerable gaps" in the most difficult areas, but a deal could still be reached in September.

His EU counterpart Michel Barnier said both sides were still "far away" and time was running out for negotiations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53513612

Obviously both sides will want to put their own spin on how negotiations are going and each side will want to be cagey about what they're willing to negotiate on and how far they're prepared to move but I tend to agree with the EU's assessment:

Quote:
Speaking after the talks, Mr Barnier said a deal was "at this point unlikely" unless the UK changed its stance over fisheries and post-Brexit rules on competition.

He said the UK had not shown a "willingness to break the deadlock" in these areas, and the "time for answers is quickly running out".

He told reporters there was a risk of no deal being reached unless the UK changed course on the topics, which were "at the heart" of the EU's trade interests.

He added that an agreement would be needed by October "at the latest" so it could be ratified before the current post-Brexit transition period ends in December
I thought Boris Johnson said that there was an "oven ready" deal - maybe he was just lying, again.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...deal-1-6689014
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 05:44 AM   #380
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,361
Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Sounds like they've worked out the problem they are concerned about is the numbers....
Yes, and the numbers following a no-deal Brexit are going to be frightening so much better to keep a lid on things.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 07:12 AM   #381
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 30,229
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I thought Boris Johnson said that there was an "oven ready" deal - maybe he was just lying, again.
Oh there was. It was a fantastic deal, remember? Then he realised that it was a terrible deal, after all, and fired the person who said it was a fantastic deal. One *checks notes* B. Johnson. No relation, I'm sure.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 08:40 AM   #382
P.J. Denyer
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 7,636
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office.
This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt.

That's nice,
As I said in the Covid thread

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Government by 'making whatever a minister/PM Cummings was caught doing yesterday legal'
__________________
"I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion

"Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills

Last edited by zooterkin; 23rd July 2020 at 09:55 AM. Reason: Fixing broken quote tag
P.J. Denyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 10:29 AM   #383
Garrison
Philosopher
 
Garrison's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 5,233
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m

Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”.


https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a
The satellites are made in Florida, the rockets launching them are European/Russian and the main rival to OneWeb is Starlink, which is owned by SpaceX which means their launch costs are a fraction of OneWeb's and their launch cadence is far higher than OneWeb can even dream of.

The government basically just 500 million down the drain.
__________________
So I've started a blog about my writing. Check it out at: http://fourth-planet-problem.blogspot.com/
And my first book is on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077W322FX
Garrison is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 02:07 PM   #384
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Posts: 29,471
Scott Manley discusses OneWeb:
YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 02:40 PM   #385
catsmate
No longer the 1
 
catsmate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 23,105
Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
The satellites are made in Florida, the rockets launching them are European/Russian and the main rival to OneWeb is Starlink, which is owned by SpaceX which means their launch costs are a fraction of OneWeb's and their launch cadence is far higher than OneWeb can even dream of.

The government basically just 500 million down the drain.
Also they're useless for satellite navigation.
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 04:20 PM   #386
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 29,442
Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register
https://trib.al/KmU2lLz

Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 05:44 PM   #387
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 29,442
A reminder from our government.
Being in a strong union with Scotland, working together, having no trade barriers makes us mighty!
Being in a strong union with the EU, working together, having no trade barriers is undemocratic, why do you hate your country, take back control!
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd July 2020, 08:30 PM   #388
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Posts: 29,471
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A reminder from our government.
Being in a strong union with Scotland, working together, having no trade barriers makes us mighty!
Being in a strong union with the EU, working together, having no trade barriers is undemocratic, why do you hate your country, take back control!
But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names!
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 12:44 AM   #389
Darat
Lackey
Administrator
 
Darat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: South East, UK
Posts: 94,222
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names!
Yeah, Sturgeon definitely a foreign name!
__________________
I wish I knew how to quit you
Darat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 12:51 AM   #390
Jack by the hedge
Safely Ignored
 
Jack by the hedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 10,648
Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Yeah, Sturgeon definitely a foreign name!
When negotiations seem stuck on fishing rights I think we at least need to consider whether she's an agent for the Fish People. Alec Salmond just put that "d" on the end as a disguise.
Jack by the hedge is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 12:54 AM   #391
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,361
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Scott Manley discusses OneWeb:
YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE
Oops, it's almost as if they didn't understand that the technology is likely incompatible with their intended usage.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 02:47 AM   #392
P.J. Denyer
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 7,636
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register
https://trib.al/KmU2lLz

Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”
This proposed law is being misrepresented so badly I'm starting to think it's deliberate. What's proposed is similar to the US FARA Act (under which General Flynn was recently convicted), our anti-espionage laws date back to the First World War and are overdue a revision, in this case there are two key points I'm aware of, firstly it would mean that MPs, Lords and lobbiests who are receiving legal money from foreign governments or closely associated businesses would have to declare it, so hypothetically if a hypothetical businessman, we'll call him "Baron Hanks" was to record donations to political causes and it should be obvious where it's coming from, and if it isn't there will be stronger grounds on which to investgate. The second is that under the current law we're unusual in that (as I understand it) you have to be convicted of a specific act of spying rather than just being a spy, so if you're an undisclosed recipient of money from a foreign power and have access to sensitive information you're currently relatively safe if you can't be proven to have actually passed any information, under the new law if you have access to such information and receive payments from a foreign power without registering it, that is a crime in itself.
__________________
"I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion

"Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills
P.J. Denyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 02:50 AM   #393
P.J. Denyer
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 7,636
Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
When negotiations seem stuck on fishing rights I think we at least need to consider whether she's an agent for the Fish People. Alec Salmond just put that "d" on the end as a disguise.
And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London.


I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords.
__________________
"I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion

"Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills
P.J. Denyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 03:53 AM   #394
Jack by the hedge
Safely Ignored
 
Jack by the hedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 10,648
Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London.


I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords.
They also have Stephen Crabb, Marcus Fysh and Alistair Jack, while Labour have Luke Pollard. Lib Dems have Christine Jardine which all seems very normal but I begin to suspect she substituted the J for an S.

It's like the invasion of the body snatchers when you start looking for these fish-people.
Jack by the hedge is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 05:32 AM   #395
catsmate
No longer the 1
 
catsmate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 23,105
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”
I have a large striped shoulder bag with "swag" on it. It was a show freebie...

Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names!
Like Hamish MacGillicuddy? Or Piri Patel?
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 05:37 AM   #396
catsmate
No longer the 1
 
catsmate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 23,105
Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London.


I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords.
Glad to hear it. The Benthic Treaties are up for renewal and the Zygon Question needs to be addressed in a bilateral manner.
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 06:44 AM   #397
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
 
Pixel42's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 12,611
U.K. Plans Truck Stop by White Cliffs of Dover After Brexit

Quote:
A field inland from the White Cliffs of Dover, a totem of English identity, is one of four sites the U.K. has earmarked for conversion into lorry parks for customs checks after Brexit, according to a person familiar with the plans.

The site next to the White Cliffs Business Park, less than a 10-minute drive from the coast, will have capacity for 1,200 trucks, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the plans aren’t complete.
There'll be trucks all over ...
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett
Pixel42 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 07:09 AM   #398
P.J. Denyer
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 7,636
Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
How about

"There'll be be be blue clouds (of diesel) over
The white cliffs of Dover"

?
__________________
"I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion

"Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills
P.J. Denyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 08:57 AM   #399
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Posts: 29,471
Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
I thought you guys called them "lorries"!
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th July 2020, 11:23 AM   #400
P.J. Denyer
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 7,636
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I thought you guys called them "lorries"!
We do (trucks is a more general term that includes smaller goods vehicles) but we still say 'Truck Stop' as well as 'Lorry Park'
__________________
"I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion

"Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills
P.J. Denyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Non-USA & General Politics

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:23 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.