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Old 11th July 2020, 09:28 AM   #241
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Just a reminder

"Ireland is a smaller, less important country" - Theresa May.
"The Irish will shoot each other if there's a hard border or not" - Stanley Johnson
"We should leverage potential food shortages in Ireland to get a better deal" - Priti Patel
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Old 11th July 2020, 09:33 AM   #242
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Grayling:
£14m for ferry company with no ferries
£2bn on East Coast Line bailout
£23m on prisoner tagging scheme that was dropped
£200m to Carillion who then collapsed
eProbation privatisation reversed
Train timetable fiasco

Reward - chair of intelligence committee

If he is true to form he's going to accidentally email the Russia Report to everyone.
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Old 11th July 2020, 03:45 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Just a reminder

"Ireland is a smaller, less important country" - Theresa May.
"The Irish will shoot each other if there's a hard border or not" - Stanley Johnson
"We should leverage potential food shortages in Ireland to get a better deal" - Priti Patel
Ireland is part of the EU. Britain is not.
Ireland chairs the Eurogroup of Finance Ministers. Britain is not a member.
Ireland has friends. Britain has Trump.
Ireland has a competent government. Britain has Johnson, Pael, Rabb, Grayling and Cummings.
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Old 11th July 2020, 06:14 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Ireland is part of the EU. Britain is not.
Ireland chairs the Eurogroup of Finance Ministers. Britain is not a member.
Ireland has friends. Britain has Trump.
Ireland has a competent government. Britain has Johnson, Pael, Rabb, Grayling and Cummings.
I am not sure when reality will sink in with the Brexit loons. Sure, we have roughly a tenth of the UK population. But we have approx. 450 million fellow europeans and they do not. Because they chose it to be so. On top of that, they took a swift sump on China, Saudi, Russia and so forth. So exactly where is the UK positioning itself?

A vassal state of the US, that's where.
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Old 12th July 2020, 02:42 AM   #245
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The Brexit Party will campaign in next year's Senedd election to scrap devolution.

Mark Reckless, leader of the party's group in the Welsh Parliament, said "devolution has gone so much further than some people thought it would".

He is proposing a directly-elected first minister answering to MPs and getting rid of the Senedd.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53371014

So freedom from the EU but subjugation to the English for Wales
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Old 12th July 2020, 03:59 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Grayling:
£14m for ferry company with no ferries
£2bn on East Coast Line bailout
£23m on prisoner tagging scheme that was dropped
£200m to Carillion who then collapsed
eProbation privatisation reversed
Train timetable fiasco

Reward - chair of intelligence committee

If he is true to form he's going to accidentally email the Russia Report to everyone.

On the other hand, if you wanted to make sure a report never saw the light of day, who would you put in charge of getting it published?
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Old 12th July 2020, 04:26 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
I am not sure when reality will sink in with the Brexit loons.
I think you're optimistic in assuming that it will at any point.
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Old 12th July 2020, 04:47 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I think you're optimistic in assuming that it will at any point.

They just seem to be trying to come up with reasons to blame the remainers for anything that goes wrong.
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They just seem to be trying to come up with reasons to blame the remainers for anything that goes wrong.
Over the last couple of months, I've definitely seen a lot of people saying that all the woes that are coming are down to the Remainers because they tried to block Brexit, which then left May and Johnson unable to negotiate a good deal.
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On the other hand, if you wanted to make sure a report never saw the light of day, who would you put in charge of getting it published?
Like on the Harry Enfield Show when 'Tim Nice But Dim' was given a job at Lloyds to investigate the 'Equitas' scandal but never actually found his office.
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Old 13th July 2020, 02:34 AM   #251
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No10 says that the UK has left the EU and we need to "take action" and prepare as we "transition to our new relationship" and we should "Check the guidance. Make the changes. And let’s get going"


Hold on. We were promised the exact same benefits as before. Why do we need to take action?

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Old 13th July 2020, 03:26 AM   #252
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
No10 says that the UK has left the EU and we need to "take action" and prepare as we "transition to our new relationship" and we should "Check the guidance. Make the changes. And let’s get going"


Hold on. We were promised the exact same benefits as before. Why do we need to take action?
I think you'll find that it's always been clear that Brexit would result in a lot of fundamental changes. All of those statements which promised the exact same benefits were taken completely out of context, are #FakeNews, are the result of Project Fear reinventing the past or a combination of all three.

IMO the expectation is that people will simply have forgotten what they were previously promised. I think people returning from their 2021 booze cruises to the continent will be shocked to find out what their new limit really is.
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Old 13th July 2020, 03:57 AM   #253
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My favourite was a day or two ago when Andrea Leadsom said that it was "made very clear" in 2016 that a No Deal Brexit would lead to job losses.

Yes it was. By Remainers. Who were dismissed as being part of Project Fear.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.
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Old 13th July 2020, 05:08 AM   #254
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
No10 says that the UK has left the EU and we need to "take action" and prepare as we "transition to our new relationship" and we should "Check the guidance. Make the changes. And let’s get going"


Hold on. We were promised the exact same benefits as before. Why do we need to take action?
To be fair they did say there would be some differences, but we don't need to worry about them because there will be a magic technological solution.
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Any sufficently advanced imaginary technology is indistinguishable from magic.

“Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”
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govt spending £93m to explain that all the things they used to refer to as Project Fear are now about to happen.
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Liz Truss has been “forcefully rebuked” by Dominic Cummings over leaked letter on UK’s unpreparedness for new customs & border arrangements in January.

Cummings accused Liz Truss of leaking the letter herself.

Let this sink in. Dominic Cummings is rebuking ministers, an unelected personal adviser is rebuking an elected MP and Minister, one of the people’s representatives.

Does anybody think this normal?
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Sky News reporting that Care workers do not qualify for health visa in new post-Brexit immigration plans

http://news.sky.com/story/care-worke...plans-12027646


5th July:"Clap for care workers!"

13th July:"Tell them to piss off!"
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Liz Truss has been “forcefully rebuked” by Dominic Cummings over leaked letter on UK’s unpreparedness for new customs & border arrangements in January.

Cummings accused Liz Truss of leaking the letter herself.

Let this sink in. Dominic Cummings is rebuking ministers, an unelected personal adviser is rebuking an elected MP and Minister, one of the people’s representatives.

Does anybody think this normal?
Shows how supine the Tory MPs are.

If they cared, they'd sort it out easily.
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govt spending £93m to explain that all the things they used to refer to as Project Fear are now about to happen.
Where are the forum's Brexiteers now to explain this?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Liz Truss has been “forcefully rebuked” by Dominic Cummings over leaked letter on UK’s unpreparedness for new customs & border arrangements in January.

Cummings accused Liz Truss of leaking the letter herself.

Let this sink in. Dominic Cummings is rebuking ministers, an unelected personal adviser is rebuking an elected MP and Minister, one of the people’s representatives.

Does anybody think this normal?
It is now apparently.
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Where are the forum's Brexiteers now to explain this?
It's all the EU and Remoaners' fault.
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It is now apparently.
You took the words out of my mouth.
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It's not going to stop is it? After Brexit they'll be screaming about
- death penalty
- national service
- immigration
- compulsory English in public
- banning metric
- banning new mosques
- ban veils
- deport asylum seekers
- flogging criminals
- reintroduce the cane
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All egged on by ********* like Farage.
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The EU has released a document outlining what Brexit will mean, deal or no, and laying the blame squarely at the UK government's feet
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Liz Truss has been “forcefully rebuked” by Dominic Cummings over leaked letter on UK’s unpreparedness for new customs & border arrangements in January.

Cummings accused Liz Truss of leaking the letter herself.

Let this sink in. Dominic Cummings is rebuking ministers, an unelected personal adviser is rebuking an elected MP and Minister, one of the people’s representatives.

Does anybody think this normal?
Reminder - a chief driving force in the Brexit vote was preventing officials that the British public hadn't elected from having political power.
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Reminder - a chief driving force in the Brexit vote was preventing foreign officials that the British public hadn't elected from having political power.
FTFY

I don't think that the British public have much problem with unelected officials holding significant power (unless of course their newspaper tells them otherwise). The problem they had with the EU was that they were horrible foreigners telling us what to do (though specific examples were in short supply).

Dominic Cummings is fine because he's just helping Boris Johnson be the best PM he can
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Looks like Project Fear got it right again......
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Let this sink in. Dominic Cummings is rebuking ministers, an unelected personal adviser is rebuking an elected MP and Minister, one of the people’s representatives.

Does anybody think this normal?
Malcolm Tucker would think it was normal. But outside The Thick Of It, that's about it.
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Looks like Project Fear got it right again......
The Uk is saying that we won't impose our new custom regulations for 6 months. The EU has said "That's nice of you. Here are the rules for non-EU countries that will start 1/1/21".
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How long is it now since we've seen a pro-Brexit post in these threads?
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The Uk is saying that we won't impose our new custom regulations for 6 months. The EU has said "That's nice of you. Here are the rules for non-EU countries that will start 1/1/21".
I've just realised what the government was trying to do with saying that, they were hoping that the EU would do the same so the transition period would be extended without having to say it was formally extended. That's a bit of cunning that we don't often see from this shower.
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It's the obvious inference, that the UK government hoped the EU would follow suit and agree to pretend we hadn't left for another 6 months, but it's completely nuts. The UK is asking, okay hinting, that everyone pretend we haven't left, but that won't be true in a really obviously legal sense. If some big commercial dispute pops up the UK will no longer accept the arbitration of a European court so...

It's a bit like asking if everyone can just pretend you paid your car insurance. It's not going to cause any imaginable problems, so long as you can't imagine ever getting into an accident.
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Government has just announced that it is pulling Huawei equipment out of our telecoms infrastructure. The issue of course is whether China will decide to retaliate on the UK, it is so fortunate that we are part of the world's 2nd largest trading block with China so that would be China cutting its nose of to spite itself.....
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Government has just announced that it is pulling Huawei equipment out of our telecoms infrastructure. The issue of course is whether China will decide to retaliate on the UK, it is so fortunate that we are part of the world's 2nd largest trading block with China so that would be China cutting its nose of to spite itself.....
I'm guessing that we're trying to keep the US sweet so that there will be some kind of trade deal announced early next year.

Of course it'll be a terrible, terrible deal for the UK but that doesn't matter
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Malcolm Tucker would think it was normal. But outside The Thick Of It, that's about it.
Well, Malcolm Tucker was based on Alistair Campbell, so...
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Yes, the reduction of Huawei's involvement being a sop to the US is exactly what I've heard. That said, I'm not too upset by that particular bit of news, given that their involvement had been flagged up as a security risk anyway.
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