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OECD healthcare spending Expenditure on healthcare http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/health-data.htm link is 2015 data (2013 Data below): UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending |
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The book that kind of sums it up is here. Has been on top of the bestseller lists for the last six weeks or so. I myself don't feel like discussing it with you - stopped months ago to read any "COVID"-related threads here. Just too ideological. |
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I ran the signs in the Berlin protest footage through a translator.
They all translate to, "Hold my beer." |
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Why is it that only one single European country has so much trouble with reopening schools? What makes the UK so exceptionally dysfunctional in that they prioritize opening pubs while squandering their children's futures?
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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It's the school holidays?
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.Bertrand Russell Zooterkin is correct Darat Nerd! Hokulele Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232 Ezekiel 23:20 |
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Harrogate Town are playing at wembley today. Obviously no fans at the game. Also cancelled is the live screening at a socially distanced out door venue. However you can crowd into a pub to watch it.
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Apparently it's a book that discusses whether Corona-virus is fake news or not, and whether the government has over-reacted to it. I can't tell without reading it what conclusions they make, but I suspect that it's on the side of "not much worse than the flu".
In the science forum topic we try to avoid making it about ideology but instead to stick to the science, so CE not placing it there is a bit odd, IMO. |
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Lockdown restrictions and masks are unnecessary, Covid-19 is a giant conspiracy et cetera. The usual nonsense.
About fifteen thousand idiots, without masks or adherence to social distancing norms, whining about how preventative measures are inconveniencing them. ![]() It's ironic how the hard-left and anarchists are allowing themselves to be co-opted by the alt-right for this sort of nonsense; it demonstrates their abject cluelessness. It'll be interesting to see the infection rates in 10-15 days. Hopefully those who took part will opt not to waste medical resources on themselves and die quietly. Though the "grandmothers against the extreme right" counter-protest against the Covidiots was amusing. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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It's your basic "Corona is a giant overhyped conspiracy" bollocks written by a dermatologist and a YT conspiracy nut.
It's very popular with the German equivalent of people who lap up the Fail but it was torn apart in a couple of days exposing Bhakdi's selective use of numbers and stats, misconceptions, speculation, disinformation and outright lies. There are several online fact-checkers who've debunked the book, but it still appeals to the libertarians/anarchists and people who just don't want to take responsibility. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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I had a guy on Twitter yesterday following me around punting similar nonsense, purely because I'd posted the truism that the peak of new cases will always come a week or two after a (sufficiently rigorous) lockdown, something the modellers who assumed that people might tire of being locked down before the peak arrived and so it was better to wait until many more had become infected didn't seem to realise.
I didn't try to take him on because frankly life's too short but my laconic two-word replies didn't dissuade him from posting more and more links and berating me for being an idiot and unscientific and so on. I don't know why they're like this. There was one insisting that only a couple of thousand people had died of covid in Britain because apparently if you had diabetes or asthma or indeed anything else up to and probably including athlete's foot, you didn't die of covid, you died of the other thing. The main thrust of the Twitter guy's arguments was that the disease was already declining before lockdown happened. You can twist figures to prove anything you like if you try hard enough it seems. |
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I wonder if the prominent usage of the word "panicmache" ("panic machine") in the subtitle might be a clue.
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This is one of the "... and politics" threads though. ETA: Oh, I see, that's what you were pointing out. But CE definitely chose the right thread for what he actually posted. Anyhow, thanks CE for the warning to add Berlin and Germany to my tier 2 (check weekly) list of polities and regions to watch to learn more about SARS-CoV-2's epidemiology. I hate it when I miss the early stages of a significant change in real time (even though I can review the stats later). The stats in Germany will likely start getting interesting again right around August 22nd. |
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Meh. Close enough; translation is never precise. Arguably it's not in the subtitle, but the title itself: "CORONA FEHLALARM? ZAHLEN, DATEN UND HINTERGRÜNDE. ZWISCHEN PANIKMACHE UND WISSENSCHAFT: WELCHE MASSNAHMEN SIND IM KAMPF GEGEN VIRUS UND COVID-19 SINNVOLL?" according to the publisher's site. But it's pretty common in English to refer to the portion of a lengthy title that doesn't appear on the book's cover, and/or follows a period or colon, as a subtitle. Note that's a completely different meaning of "subtitle" than text appearing on video screens. One source translated "panikmache" as "Panic Machine." Their bad, perhaps, as it appears they used Google Translate for that. The usual single-word translation is "scaremongering," which is very much an approximation. The suffix "-mongering" means "selling," while the suffix "-mache" refers to making. "Machine" though related is not the closest equivalent, but neither is "mongering." And "Panik" better translates as "panic" than softened meanings like "scare" or "fright." Either way, it makes the book's political premise clear. My bad about the "k". |
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OECD healthcare spending Expenditure on healthcare http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/health-data.htm link is 2015 data (2013 Data below): UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending |
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Can you provide a quick precis of your analysis of the book, and whether you agree with them? Because presumably, it's influenced your view.
Although the statistics are clear, and fit with the anecdotal data from healthcare workers I know. So it would have to be pretty rigorous. |
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You can take my edit of the post as an answer.
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He seems to have blocked me but the bulk of his stuff was replies to this tweet. https://twitter.com/DrMoragKerr/stat...44112630538240 This is the poster. https://twitter.com/lapogus1 |
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The government’s £10bn contact-tracing programme failed to reach almost half the contacts named by infected patients in “non-complex” cases — including people living under the same roof.
The outsourcing giants Serco and Sitel are being paid £192m to provide 18,500 call handlers who are responsible for tracing non-complex contacts referred to them. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ases-2j522685p |
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Did they happen to mention that the cluster of cases we had in Scotland a couple of weeks ago arose in a Sitel call centre where the staff were contracted to do contact tracing for NHS England? And that attempts by Sitel to provide a safe working environment appeared to be sketchy at best (in fact call centres weren't even supposed to be open at all, staff were meant to be working from home) and that at their breaks the contact-tracing staff appeared to think that social distancing was something only other people needed to do? And that the Inverclyde cluster last week has now been linked to the Sitel cluster and was possibly/probably also set off by a Sitel employee? Honestly, by the sound of it Sitel have created more Covid cases in Scotland than they have prevented in England. |
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Cheers, I might have a play...
It's odd that some of the most vociferous freeze peach advocates are so block happy with just civil but robust questioning. In that thread, there is a link to a paper showing that people did reduce their mobility significantly just before lockdown- when the seriousness was clear and the government was obviously going to have to impose a lockdown even if the date wasn't clear. Also some academics comparing regions with earlier and later lockdowns My block list consists of bots* and literal fascists and precious few elsewhere *generally sincere single women in their 20s who love god and follow me, presumably for my compelling wriring, which is why they haven't tweeted anything themselves. |
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The symptoms of this virus are unprecedented global disruption, fear and chaos.
They seem more severe than previous flu outbreaks to me, but what would I know? Covid attributed deaths to date are replaced in 3 ordinary days of world population growth for example, amd by potential contributors to economic growth, as though we don't have enough of that! |
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