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Old 17th September 2020, 06:37 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
Well, at least the Biden campaign prepares for the worst.
That's good. Gotta prepare for the worst when democracy is at stake.
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Old 17th September 2020, 06:44 AM   #362
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No no no no. Obviously, even considering the possibility of something bad happening at all equals hoping it will.
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Old 17th September 2020, 06:48 AM   #363
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Not sure in what thread to post this:

"FBI Dir. Chris Wray just confirmed that Russia is currently meddling in the election to ‘denigrate Vice President Biden’"

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...88609273880576
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Old 17th September 2020, 06:52 AM   #364
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
One issue I see is that many people who DID NOT vote for Trump the last time believed all the horror of what was supposed to come. The whole country was supposed to devolve into an immediate economic and social disaster with chaos and war. But that did not happen. The country actually did pretty well.
I think most of us see that the racism protests evolved from liberal colleges (and coastal media) and spread from there.
Statistically, racism had no changes though, just more complaints about it and calls for change. Warranted? Maybe. Any deaths are too many but we have a BIG country here!

Now, the same things are being said --so do people believe it 'this time'?
Is it true this time?
The government does some things well, if it's prepared for it. With no Pandemic, Trump would be re-elected, because the things do in fact run along much the same whoever is president. Occasionally infrastructure gets so run down that business does poorly in some parts. But hey, leave it toe the Amy Klobuchars to fix falling bridges. Not republicans.
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Old 17th September 2020, 07:04 AM   #365
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
You are in denial then. As other said: yay, USA is not literal hellscape yet. That's your argument? Hilarious.



With partisan blinders these experiences do not mean much.
Why would "I" be in denial? Are you seeing things that are not in my post?
If you don't like to hear things I observe that do not agree with what you want to happen or think a reasonable person should want to happen, just put me on ignore til mid November. I realize that the thought of another 4 years can be quite distressing.
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Old 17th September 2020, 07:10 AM   #366
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Originally Posted by Tero View Post
The government does some things well, if it's prepared for it. With no Pandemic, Trump would be re-elected, because the things do in fact run along much the same whoever is president.
That's not what I recall voters being told in 2016. The thing that sticks in my head most is Paul Krugman's predictions:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...onomic-fallout

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So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.
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Old 17th September 2020, 07:34 AM   #367
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I get (and share) the anxiety about the election, but there is an almost comical permanent "Dems in disarray" element to it too.

As tweeted by Dave Weigel (WaPo):

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Taking last month's "polls aside, here's why Trump is winning" column, removing references to "the riots" and replacing them with "the vaccine."

Sure, you were confidently told that Biden was playing on Trump's turf and that Kenosha was going to flip the Midwest for Trump. But this week is different: Biden is playing on Trump's turf and vaccine speculation will flip the Midwest for Trump.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/statu...02842141216769
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Old 17th September 2020, 07:40 AM   #368
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
"@CookPolitical moves AZ's 11 Electoral votes from Toss Up to Lean D"

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...72762127962112

That would be big: since WW2, Arizona voted only once for the Democratic candidate (in 1996).
That's an interesting race. Congressional wins in election years are often on the coat tails of the presidential candidate. This time I think Biden will win Arizona and Kelly's coat tails.
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Old 17th September 2020, 08:32 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
One of the links that Youtube offers after that is a speech by Gen. Mattis. Too bad he can't be President.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sG7N7pJ6g
Why is it too bad? By my reckoning he's unfit for any high office or command. He got into bed with Trump knowing full well what Trump was and what enemy nations Trump was consorting with.
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Old 17th September 2020, 08:35 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
Florida never seems to stop being the most important state to win.

They have to be super aggressive. I know there's a sizeable population of Cubans who hate socialism and like Trump.
They're still sore that Batista and the mafia regime he headed is not still in charge.
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Old 17th September 2020, 08:36 AM   #371
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay seriously when will anyone who supports/performs apologetics for Trump ever own up to any reason beyond "LOL Librul Tears."



If Trump wins again it will be the last free and open election we have. There won't be another one for the Dems to lose.



Either the same ones that all had Hillary winning in 2016 or the "I don't care what the maps says I'm declaring myself the winner anyway" one.
There's a big difference this time. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota aren't toss ups this year. They were in 2016. There's a motivated Black vote in all four and it's not motivated for Trump.
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Old 17th September 2020, 09:14 AM   #372
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
I'm not sure how effective this would be against Trump. I watched and came away unimpressed. I had high hopes though! They could have done it way better.

Clinton outspent Trump by over a billion and she should have benefited by the RNC not being behind their own candidate until very late in the game.
Do you think that Trump needs to pay for more media exposure than his opponent this time? I don't think that is true for a campaign like his.

Trump is already President and so he actually could spend LESS this time around. He has the most free media of anyone on the planet.
Difference between now and four years ago is that Trump isn't getting the c $5bn of free advertising from the networks.

Other difference will probably be dependant on how willing the republican party will be to roll out their vote rigging machine. Remember, they pulled it back in 2008 when they realised Obama was too popular and didn't even bother to bring it out in 2012.
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Old 17th September 2020, 09:20 AM   #373
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
devolve into an immediate economic and social disaster with chaos and war.
The country did devolve into chaos through social disaster immediately, remember the muslim bans, the concentration camps at the border, the nazis coming out of the woodwork?

On the economy, the slim recovery of Obama chugged along for a few years, but it never got good, and economic performance steadily fell off over Trump's reign as his "policies" started taking effect (to the point that the US economy likely would be in serious trouble right now even if Covid didn't hit). Remember, the stock market bears no relationship to the economy.

And on war, aren't we all lucky that Trump's too cowardly to follow through on his rhetoric?
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Old 17th September 2020, 09:24 AM   #374
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The biggest social/political autopsy we are going to have to perform on America post Trump is why exactly so many people were willing to either light fires or stand by and watch them burn based simply on some deep, intrinsic, almost fetishistic desire to catch people being "overdramatic" about how bad the fire was gonna be.

"LOL you said the fire I started was going to burn down your entire house but it only burned down 95% of your house the back wall of the Rumpus room is still 65% standing don't you feel stupid that will teach you not to be all dramatic..."
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Old 17th September 2020, 09:39 AM   #375
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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle View Post
The country did devolve into chaos through social disaster immediately, remember the muslim bans, the concentration camps at the border, the nazis coming out of the woodwork?
You can believe that that Trump did these things first, but you would be wrong.
Just google it yourself. Try looking for travel bans and pics of the kids separated under Obama. You can say it got worse with Trump, or that his rhetoric was divisive (it was!) but not that it suddenly started.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The biggest social/political autopsy we are going to have to perform on America post Trump is why exactly so many people were willing to either light fires or stand by and watch them burn based simply on some deep, intrinsic, almost fetishistic desire to catch people being "overdramatic" about how bad the fire was gonna be.

"LOL you said the fire I started was going to burn down your entire house but it only burned down 95% of your house the back wall of the Rumpus room is still 65% standing don't you feel stupid that will teach you not to be all dramatic..."
Realistically, i think this kind of destructiveness is the predictable outcome of a wide perception that ordinary people do not have much real political power and those in charge of things are wholly beholden to wealthy interest groups while material conditions for ordinary people become steadily worse.The endless march of politicians promising true representation and failing to deliver has engendered tremendous bitterness.

Trump is simply delivering what right wing politicians have been dog-whistling, but failing to deliver, for years in order to drum up votes. Lucy can only pull the football out so many times before Charlie Brown snaps and starts blasting.
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Old 17th September 2020, 09:47 AM   #377
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
You can believe that that Trump did these things first, but you would be wrong.
It's not a belief, it's a statement of fact.

But hey, you go off into your own little fantasy land. If you forget that it's November the 3rd all the better.
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You can believe that that Trump did these things first, but you would be wrong.
Just google it yourself. Try looking for travel bans and pics of the kids separated under Obama. You can say it got worse with Trump, or that his rhetoric was divisive (it was!) but not that it suddenly started.
"Trump's not uniquely bad..."

Hurry up and get to "Whatabout her e-mails" so I can complete a row on my Bingo card.
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Why is it too bad? By my reckoning he's unfit for any high office or command. He got into bed with Trump knowing full well what Trump was and what enemy nations Trump was consorting with.
He joined the administration at the beginning when there was still hope that Trump might grow in office, and he spent a long time trying to keep Trump from taking the U.S. too far off the rails. He quit when he realized he was failing. But Mattis is a picture of integrity. I can't see him marching around Lafayette Square with Trump, or even allowing troops to be deployed that way.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"Trump's not uniquely bad..."

Hurry up and get to "Whatabout her e-mails" so I can complete a row on my Bingo card.
???
I think some here really miss the hard right posters who left, so you are now beating up on people who don't cheerlead either side in obvious ways.

I do tend to post more as devil's advocate because preaching to the choir seems a bit overdone around these parts.


*I have searched for a forum with more balanced and nuanced discussion but it seems the internet just gave up on that altogether. The poles are just getting further apart.

Just so many adult bullies nowadays. No wonder the kids have such problems with it. They are only following what the adults do.
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You can believe that that Trump did these things first, but you would be wrong.
Just google it yourself. Try looking for travel bans and pics of the kids separated under Obama. You can say it got worse with Trump, or that his rhetoric was divisive (it was!) but not that it suddenly started.
It would behoove you to look a tad bit deeper. There are situations where separation is highly appropriate.

Just google it for yourself.
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It would behoove you to look a tad bit deeper. There are situations where separation is highly appropriate.

Just google it for yourself.
I am aware. A lot of these kids are trafficked or used to get the special 'family treatment'. Some of them cross multiple times with different adults. The kids are separated for their own safety. Was there more I should know?
Please link to the relevant info. I am all for kids safety!
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I think some here really miss the hard right posters who left, so you are now beating up on people who don't cheerlead either side in obvious ways.

I do tend to post more as devil's advocate because preaching to the choir seems a bit overdone around these parts.
*Dryly* Oh yes we are surely bereft of "Oh I'm totally not a Trump supporter but I need to take his side in other topic to counter the evil leftist librul bias of this place" posters. You surely can't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen of them in this thread alone. It's not as if that's the persona of every single Trump supporter/Trump apologist on this board. You are certainly a supercharged Creeper riding an albino unicorn level of rare occurance.
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*Dryly* Oh yes we are surely bereft of "Oh I'm totally not a Trump supporter but I need to take his side in other topic to counter the evil leftist librul bias of this place" posters. You surely can't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen of them in this thread alone. It's not as if that's the persona of every single Trump supporter/Trump apologist on this board. You are certainly a supercharged Creeper riding an albino unicorn level of rare occurance.

Who is 'we'?
Are you saying that a view from independent unaffiliated voters is not valid? Anyone not rah rah for democrats is suddenly all-in for Trump? Do tell where you get your insight into my TRUE feelings on the matter.

Because "we" are the people who will decide this election, not the polarized sides. (not me though since I am in California and it is all settled out this way)

If Tulsi was running I bet us 'middle' people would be rooting for her.
Too bad the parties don't accept someone like that and actively sabotage them.

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Trump Tweets

Just out: Some people in the Great State of North Carolina have been sent TWO BALLOTS. RIGGED ELECTION in waiting!

Unsolicited Ballots are uncontrollable, totally open to ELECTION INTERFERENCE by foreign countries, and will lead to massive chaos and confusion!

State Supreme Court in Pennsylvania just affirmed that Ballot harvesting remains illegal. We will be watching that the Democrats do not Ballot Harvest - a felony. In other words, the Republican Party won on the atrocious Ballot Harvesting Scam Importantly, we also won on the Ballot Cure Provision. Waiting for the BIG Federal decisions in Pennsylvania, Nevada, and elsewhere!

The Democrat Trump Hater Secretary of State of Michigan, purposely misprinted Ballots for the Military, putting the wrong names on the Ballot, and actually listing a member of another party as a replacement for Vice President @Mike_Pence. Everybody is totally confused by their egregious behavior, which is just the way they want it. This was not a mistake, it was done illegally and on purpose. We want Mike!

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Who is 'we'?
Are you saying that a view from independent unaffiliated voters is not valid? Anyone not rah rah for democrats is suddenly all-in for Trump? Do tell where you get your insight into my TRUE feelings on the matter.

Because "we" are the people who will decide this election, not the polarized sides. (not me though since I am in California and it is all settled out this way)

If Tulsi was running I bet us 'middle' people would be rooting for her.
Too bad the parties don't accept someone like that and actively sabotage them.
Nobody said anything about rah-rah for democrats.

It's the "I'm not a Trump supporter but I sound exactly like one including my insistence I'm not a Trump supporter and oh my God you are all so intolerant and now that I think about it I am probably the real victim in all of this" part.

ETA: undecideds are at a near record low in this race, you're not as important as you make yourself sound.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Just out: Some people in the Great State of North Carolina have been sent TWO BALLOTS. RIGGED ELECTION in waiting!

Unsolicited Ballots are uncontrollable, totally open to ELECTION INTERFERENCE by foreign countries, and will lead to massive chaos and confusion!

State Supreme Court in Pennsylvania just affirmed that Ballot harvesting remains illegal. We will be watching that the Democrats do not Ballot Harvest - a felony. In other words, the Republican Party won on the atrocious Ballot Harvesting Scam Importantly, we also won on the Ballot Cure Provision. Waiting for the BIG Federal decisions in Pennsylvania, Nevada, and elsewhere!

The Democrat Trump Hater Secretary of State of Michigan, purposely misprinted Ballots for the Military, putting the wrong names on the Ballot, and actually listing a member of another party as a replacement for Vice President @Mike_Pence. Everybody is totally confused by their egregious behavior, which is just the way they want it. This was not a mistake, it was done illegally and on purpose. We want Mike!

Thanks, but no. I'm far too busy already.
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Why is it too bad? By my reckoning he's unfit for any high office or command. He got into bed with Trump knowing full well what Trump was and what enemy nations Trump was consorting with.
Going to work for a despot does not automatically confer upon the employee like mindedness. The motivation could be purely patriotic, a desire to help shape good policy.
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Who is 'we'?
Are you saying that a view from independent unaffiliated voters is not valid? Anyone not rah rah for democrats is suddenly all-in for Trump? Do tell where you get your insight into my TRUE feelings on the matter.

Because "we" are the people who will decide this election, not the polarized sides. (not me though since I am in California and it is all settled out this way)

If Tulsi was running I bet us 'middle' people would be rooting for her.
Too bad the parties don't accept someone like that and actively sabotage them.
Nonsense. Tulsi is a moron, that's why she didn't fare well. Also, I don't think you're fooling anyone with your claim that you aren't a Trump supporter.
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Just out: Some people in the Great State of North Carolina have been sent TWO BALLOTS. RIGGED ELECTION in waiting!
I called that one the day he told people to vote twice. I wasn't the only one, but it was pretty obvious that he would complain about voter fraud as soon as the people he told to do it did what he asked them to do.
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Old 17th September 2020, 01:13 PM   #391
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
*Dryly* Oh yes we are surely bereft of "Oh I'm totally not a Trump supporter but I need to take his side in other topic to counter the evil leftist librul bias of this place" posters. You surely can't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen of them in this thread alone. It's not as if that's the persona of every single Trump supporter/Trump apologist on this board. You are certainly a supercharged Creeper riding an albino unicorn level of rare occurance.
The only thing more tiresome than this routine is the persecution complex that inevitably follows it.
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Old 17th September 2020, 01:16 PM   #392
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Nonsense. Tulsi is a moron, that's why she didn't fare well. Also, I don't think you're fooling anyone with your claim that you aren't a Trump supporter.
I don't know where we all stand today, but I do remember the halcyon days when The Big Dog was a Bernie Bro.
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Old 17th September 2020, 01:24 PM   #393
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It's politics. There is absolutely zero difference between a supporter and just being someone who just always runs apologetic interference for you at every opportunity.

Even if, IF, there's any truth to the "LOL I'm totally for realizies not a Trump supporter" routine all it does it change you into the equivalent of someone who buys a ticket to a movie in order to complain about it on Youtube, or as Marvel and Star Wars and Star Trek call them "some of our best customers."
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Old 17th September 2020, 01:36 PM   #394
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I don't know where we all stand today, but I do remember the halcyon days when The Big Dog was a Bernie Bro.

And DogTown who "wasn't going to vote for Hillary" so much he opted for suicide by mod instead.

***lowers head***
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Old 17th September 2020, 02:04 PM   #395
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There appears to be not the slightest possibility that Trump will admit to having lost the election (assuming he does), regardless of the magnitude of the defeat. He was already claiming fraud before taking office the last time, and it isn't going to stop. There'll be lawsuits upon lawsuits. And his supporters well quickly resort to violence.
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Old 17th September 2020, 02:46 PM   #396
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
My big fear is the Democratic... well not strategy pers se because that's a separate and distinct thing but "winning narrative" is "Well guys we did it. We finally got mad enough at the guy who was elected to get us mad that we have to win." A lot of the Democratic language really does seem to revolve around some variation on "Look how bad things have gotten" as some sort of negative for Trump. Basically they are far too often running against a known admitted troll with a know admitted troll base by screaming about how angry he makes them.

Again all the drama, all the hatred, all the damage is not hurting Trump in the same way it would hurt a normal good or even normal bad or even "stupid crazy evil within normal parameters" President.

Again is any of this for certain? No. 2016 was literally a game of inches in about 3 counties and the last 4 years have not be stabilizing for sure.
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
There appears to be not the slightest possibility that Trump will admit to having lost the election (assuming he does), regardless of the magnitude of the defeat. He was already claiming fraud before taking office the last time, and it isn't going to stop. There'll be lawsuits upon lawsuits. And his supporters well quickly resort to violence.
I suspect they'll literally be taking their guns out of their cold, dead hands.
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Old 17th September 2020, 02:58 PM   #397
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Biden and the Democrats want to get rid of the Private Healthcare Plans for 180 MILLION Americans that are happy. They’ll be put on socialized medicine!
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Old 17th September 2020, 03:47 PM   #398
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
This is encouraging. Al Gore rolling over for Bush was shameful.
I don't know if that's what he did. His big initial mistake was conceding too early. After that he was fighting to catch up. But he fought the case for a month to the Supreme Court. It's not clear, realistically, that he could have done much more.
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Old 17th September 2020, 03:52 PM   #399
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North Carolina Is Already Rejecting Black Voters’ Mail-In Ballots More Often Than White Voters’

Given how close NC has been, this seems significant, even if it is only 1.1% of Black voters so far.
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As of September 17, Black voters’ ballots are being rejected at more than four times the rate of white voters, according to the state’s numbers...
only 19 states currently allow some form of ballot curing. And even that isn’t foolproof. In Nevada’s statewide primary in June, for example, 12,366 ballots had a missing or mismatched signature, but even after voters were notified to fix it, only 45 percent were successfully cured.

Meanwhile, the racial gap in rejected ballots is not a problem unique to North Carolina.

Black voters and other voters of color frequently have their ballots rejected at a higher rate than white votes (so do younger voters, on average). In Florida’s 2018 midterm elections, ballots cast by Black voters, Hispanic voters and voters from other racial and ethnic minorities were rejected at twice the rate of ballots cast by white voters
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Old 17th September 2020, 04:53 PM   #400
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Nonsense. Tulsi is a moron, that's why she didn't fare well. Also, I don't think you're fooling anyone with your claim that you aren't a Trump supporter.
I think that's uncalled for tbh.
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