Rioters storm and occupy the US Capitol - Page 6

Olmstead · 6th January 2021, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Very fine people.

Patriots.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

But why were there so few police?

Washington DC is not unfamiliar with large protests. Where are the police lined up in riot gear? National guard standing on the step? Why were there not more forces at the ready?

Why did weren't there dozens of police cars at the scene? Helicopters flying down to disperse the rioters as they have done before?

Is this the best that can be done to protect the Capitol by the Capitol police, metro police, Secret Service, FBI, Department of Homeland Security, and National Guard?

Because black people are scary. White people with blue lives matter flags, not so much.

Modified · 6th January 2021, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

Actually, he can. The pardon power is very broad; he could issue a pardon for "all activities by protesters around the capitol building on Jan 6, 2021." The pardon can precede the actual charges.

But can he pardon unnamed people?

JoeMorgue · 6th January 2021, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Modified

But can he pardon unnamed people?

Carter did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483

dasmiller · 6th January 2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Modified

But can he pardon unnamed people?

JoeMorgue beat me to it. Yes, absolutely.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

CNN: A woman is in critical condition after being shot in the chest on the Capitol grounds, according to two sources familiar with the matter. The sources could not provide further details on the circumstances of the shooting.

Sadly she died.

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Picture of a fascist with handgun and zip-tie restraints in the capitol building. Equipped to take prisoners.

https://twitter.com/Rebexem/status/1346924689101213696

Hand gun? That's a cop.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

I would guess it was down to sabotage by Trump or his cronies. In other words, they left them deliberately unprepared.

Deliberately or stupidly? I'm going with stupid. What would be the goal of deliberately?

Checkmite · 6th January 2021, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Hand gun? That's a cop.

In his day job, maybe.

Checkmite · 6th January 2021, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Deliberately or stupidly? I'm going with stupid. What would be the goal of deliberately?

To disrupt today's Congressional proceedings. You are aware that an important event was taking place today that was disrupted by the violent attack on the building, right?

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Any bets on how long it will be before our fearless leader pardons all the rioters?

(Of course not. It can't happen here!)

He can't do that without names and they are too paranoid to give them. The feds just need to wait 13 days, 19 hours to charge them.

The Greater Fool · 6th January 2021, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Hand gun? That's a cop.

yeah, because hand guns are so much harder to hide than long guns.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Literally, in some cases

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Word now that the police reinforcements were organised by Pence, not Trump. And that Pence has unfollowed Trump on Twitter and put up a Biden/Harris image instead. Looks like Wimpy Mike is taking control, and Disaster Don is being sidelined.

Also reports Trump's staff are starting to resign en mass (each followed by the expected nasty snarky tweets from the Orange Menace).

Well that makes Article 25 more likely. Yes, do it before he can pardon his kids!!!

It certainly took the wind out of the certification protest.

Mumbles · 6th January 2021, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Because black people are scary. White people with blue lives matter flags, not so much.

Well, I mean to some people sure.

Meanwhile, this has basically been a lot of black folks online.

ETA, meanwhile, an actual good president has released a statement.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

Actually, he can. The pardon power is very broad; he could issue a pardon for "all activities by protesters around the capitol building on Jan 6, 2021." The pardon can precede the actual charges.

Not without names.

nelsondogg · 6th January 2021, 05:51 PM

NY Times is reporting that Pence activated the national guard, not Trump. Wtf...

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by autumn1971

No, there will not.
You know this.

Fascism is the new government, Biden or no Biden.

I don't know. Not very many people have been prosecuted for BLM protests whereas the FBI did hunt down and press charges against the Bundy ranch follies IIRC.

HHellpop · 6th January 2021, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Not without names.

Did you miss this post?

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Carter did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483

Here's the order. No names.
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/procl...ve-service-act

Paul2 · 6th January 2021, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

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Is it an armed insurrection? Absolutely NOT!!!

Insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Armed: furnished with weapons

Which parts of those definitions don’t apply here? “Revolt?”

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

We're talking about a coup, which is not necessarily an armed insurrection.

Back in the coup thread I answered it.

Some people think all this amounts to a coup.

Some of us don't.

No one is going to be convinced otherwise.

Can't take the discussion any further.

kookbreaker · 6th January 2021, 05:58 PM

So now Pence is speaking to a reconvened Senate.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 05:59 PM

Pence is giving his Presidential-running-in-2024 speech right now.

Paul2 · 6th January 2021, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by HHellpop

I thought that has to be done by the Cabinet, not congress.

Either. Amendment 25, section 4

JoeMorgue · 6th January 2021, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Pence is giving his Presidential-running-in-2024 speech right now.

Are you sure it's a speech? It's only a speech if you're talking in a specific region of Southern France, otherwise it's just sparkling loud talking.

William Parcher · 6th January 2021, 06:02 PM

Seems like there would be numerous witnesses to that woman's shooting to give statements to reporters. Any details yet? Did she point a gun at the cops, or what?

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by HHellpop

Did you miss this post?

Here's the order. No names.
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/procl...ve-service-act

Not sure if that's relevant. Draft dodgers were officially charged when they didn't report for duty. I know because one of my friends was one of them and after many years the FBI showed up at his door and arrested him.

Paul2 · 6th January 2021, 06:05 PM

It’s not 2021, it’s 2020.2

HHellpop · 6th January 2021, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Not sure if that's relevant. Draft dodgers were officially charged when they didn't report for duty. I know because one of my friends was one of them and after many years the FBI showed up at his door and arrested him.

It is relevant. You said, twice, that he can't without names. Carter's order says "all persons" without naming a single one of them. You didn't say "without charges".

BazBear · 6th January 2021, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Azrael 5

The absolute ineptness of some people

https://twitter.com/TomMairs/status/...970690/photo/1

Thanks! I needed that laugh!

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Well, I mean to some people sure.

Meanwhile, this has basically been a lot of black folks online

What is that supposed to mean? It's racist. Aren't you a POC? Sorry but I lose track.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by The Greater Fool

yeah, because hand guns are so much harder to hide than long guns.

It's in a holster. Why would you need to carry a long gun regardless of the task you are assigned to?

BazBear · 6th January 2021, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by HHellpop

I thought that has to be done by the Cabinet, not congress.

Nope, the VP and the cabinet or congress.

Relevant text in spoiler.

uke2se · 6th January 2021, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

It's in a holster. Why would you need to carry a long gun regardless of the task you are assigned to?

It's not a cop, Ginger. Look at his patches.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

To disrupt today's Congressional proceedings. You are aware that an important event was taking place today that was disrupted by the violent attack on the building, right?

That would require planning if it were purposeful whereas stupidity in not realizing the crowds might get out of hand is all one needs for not purposeful.

TragicMonkey · 6th January 2021, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

What is that supposed to mean? It's racist.

How can you assess something as being racist (or not) if you don't know what it means?

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 06:19 PM

Backfire! The proceedings have resumed and it has been said after the end to the AZ objection the rest of the planned disruptions probably won't continue.

Bob001 · 6th January 2021, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

I do not understand why there were so few police. Why are there only five of six police officers at the barricade? Why are there only a handful of police on the Capitol steps?

They knew this was coming. There has been talk of a possible coup for months.
Trump previously told the Proud Boys to "stand by". Giuliani called for a "trial by combat". It was known there would be protestors. That there would be militia groups there. Trump called on the protestors to go to the Capitol. They knew this was coming.

We have more security at our annual town barbeque.

D.C. prepared for the protests, but the focus apparently largely on Freedom Plaza, a park near the White House where the major demonstrations were scheduled, and the Mall. I don't think anybody expected Trump to tell them to march on the Capitol. They probably should have.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

How can you assess something as being racist (or not) if you don't know what it means?

Did you look at it?

It's not like there's a question. What I was asking was why did Mumbles post it.

Jack by the hedge · 6th January 2021, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by uke2se

It's not a cop, Ginger. Look at his patches.

Indeed. Unless there's a Deaths Head precinct, I suppose.

Dr.Sid · 6th January 2021, 06:21 PM

So native Americans wants their land back ? About time !

6th January 2021, 05:27 PM	#201
Olmstead Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 345	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Very fine people. Patriots.
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6th January 2021, 05:31 PM	#202
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate But why were there so few police? Washington DC is not unfamiliar with large protests. Where are the police lined up in riot gear? National guard standing on the step? Why were there not more forces at the ready? Why did weren't there dozens of police cars at the scene? Helicopters flying down to disperse the rioters as they have done before? Is this the best that can be done to protect the Capitol by the Capitol police, metro police, Secret Service, FBI, Department of Homeland Security, and National Guard? Because black people are scary. White people with blue lives matter flags, not so much.
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6th January 2021, 05:34 PM	#203
Modified Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,803	Originally Posted by dasmiller Actually, he can. The pardon power is very broad; he could issue a pardon for "all activities by protesters around the capitol building on Jan 6, 2021." The pardon can precede the actual charges. But can he pardon unnamed people?
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6th January 2021, 05:34 PM	#204
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,848	Originally Posted by Modified But can he pardon unnamed people? Carter did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483
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6th January 2021, 05:38 PM	#205
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,358	Originally Posted by Modified But can he pardon unnamed people? JoeMorgue beat me to it. Yes, absolutely.
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6th January 2021, 05:38 PM	#206
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by William Parcher CNN: A woman is in critical condition after being shot in the chest on the Capitol grounds, according to two sources familiar with the matter. The sources could not provide further details on the circumstances of the shooting. Sadly she died. Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Picture of a fascist with handgun and zip-tie restraints in the capitol building. Equipped to take prisoners. https://twitter.com/Rebexem/status/1346924689101213696 Hand gun? That's a cop.
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6th January 2021, 05:39 PM	#207
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by Mader Levap I would guess it was down to sabotage by Trump or his cronies. In other words, they left them deliberately unprepared. Deliberately or stupidly? I'm going with stupid. What would be the goal of deliberately?
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6th January 2021, 05:40 PM	#208
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,339	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Hand gun? That's a cop. In his day job, maybe.
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6th January 2021, 05:41 PM	#209
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,339	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Deliberately or stupidly? I'm going with stupid. What would be the goal of deliberately? To disrupt today's Congressional proceedings. You are aware that an important event was taking place today that was disrupted by the violent attack on the building, right?
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6th January 2021, 05:42 PM	#210
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by bruto Any bets on how long it will be before our fearless leader pardons all the rioters? (Of course not. It can't happen here!) He can't do that without names and they are too paranoid to give them. The feds just need to wait 13 days, 19 hours to charge them.
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The Greater Fool Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Milky Way, Sol, Earth, Northern Hemisphere, USA, AZ, Scottsdale Posts: 4,293	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Hand gun? That's a cop. yeah, because hand guns are so much harder to hide than long guns.
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6th January 2021, 05:43 PM	#212
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by Checkmite Literally, in some cases
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Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Word now that the police reinforcements were organised by Pence, not Trump. And that Pence has unfollowed Trump on Twitter and put up a Biden/Harris image instead. Looks like Wimpy Mike is taking control, and Disaster Don is being sidelined. Also reports Trump's staff are starting to resign en mass (each followed by the expected nasty snarky tweets from the Orange Menace). Well that makes Article 25 more likely. Yes, do it before he can pardon his kids!!! It certainly took the wind out of the certification protest.
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6th January 2021, 05:47 PM	#214
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,280	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Because black people are scary. White people with blue lives matter flags, not so much. Well, I mean to some people sure. Meanwhile, this has basically been a lot of black folks online. ETA, meanwhile, an actual good president has released a statement.
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6th January 2021, 05:50 PM	#215
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by dasmiller Actually, he can. The pardon power is very broad; he could issue a pardon for "all activities by protesters around the capitol building on Jan 6, 2021." The pardon can precede the actual charges. Not without names.
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nelsondogg Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 365	NY Times is reporting that Pence activated the national guard, not Trump. Wtf...

6th January 2021, 05:53 PM	#217
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by autumn1971 No, there will not. You know this. Fascism is the new government, Biden or no Biden. I don't know. Not very many people have been prosecuted for BLM protests whereas the FBI did hunt down and press charges against the Bundy ranch follies IIRC.
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6th January 2021, 05:54 PM	#218
HHellpop Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ylum Posts: 298	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Not without names. Did you miss this post? Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Carter did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483 Here's the order. No names. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/procl...ve-service-act
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6th January 2021, 05:55 PM	#219
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,469	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger . Is it an armed insurrection? Absolutely NOT!!! Insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government Armed: furnished with weapons Which parts of those definitions don’t apply here? “Revolt?”
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6th January 2021, 05:57 PM	#220
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by zooterkin We're talking about a coup, which is not necessarily an armed insurrection. Back in the coup thread I answered it. Some people think all this amounts to a coup. Some of us don't. No one is going to be convinced otherwise. Can't take the discussion any further.
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Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,469	Originally Posted by HHellpop I thought that has to be done by the Cabinet, not congress. Either. Amendment 25, section 4
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6th January 2021, 06:02 PM	#224
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,848	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Pence is giving his Presidential-running-in-2024 speech right now. Are you sure it's a speech? It's only a speech if you're talking in a specific region of Southern France, otherwise it's just sparkling loud talking.
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6th January 2021, 06:02 PM	#225
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 25,728	Seems like there would be numerous witnesses to that woman's shooting to give statements to reporters. Any details yet? Did she point a gun at the cops, or what?
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6th January 2021, 06:03 PM	#226
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by HHellpop Did you miss this post? Here's the order. No names. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/procl...ve-service-act Not sure if that's relevant. Draft dodgers were officially charged when they didn't report for duty. I know because one of my friends was one of them and after many years the FBI showed up at his door and arrested him.
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6th January 2021, 06:05 PM	#227
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,469	It’s not 2021, it’s 2020.2
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6th January 2021, 06:07 PM	#228
HHellpop Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ylum Posts: 298	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Not sure if that's relevant. Draft dodgers were officially charged when they didn't report for duty. I know because one of my friends was one of them and after many years the FBI showed up at his door and arrested him. It is relevant. You said, twice, that he can't without names. Carter's order says "all persons" without naming a single one of them. You didn't say "without charges".
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6th January 2021, 06:08 PM	#229
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6th January 2021, 06:12 PM	#230
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by Mumbles Well, I mean to some people sure. Meanwhile, this has basically been a lot of black folks online What is that supposed to mean? It's racist. Aren't you a POC? Sorry but I lose track.
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6th January 2021, 06:14 PM	#231
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by The Greater Fool yeah, because hand guns are so much harder to hide than long guns. It's in a holster. Why would you need to carry a long gun regardless of the task you are assigned to?
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6th January 2021, 06:16 PM	#232
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6th January 2021, 06:16 PM	#233
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,174	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger It's in a holster. Why would you need to carry a long gun regardless of the task you are assigned to? It's not a cop, Ginger. Look at his patches.
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6th January 2021, 06:16 PM	#234
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,798	Originally Posted by Checkmite To disrupt today's Congressional proceedings. You are aware that an important event was taking place today that was disrupted by the violent attack on the building, right? That would require planning if it were purposeful whereas stupidity in not realizing the crowds might get out of hand is all one needs for not purposeful.
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6th January 2021, 06:17 PM	#235
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 58,888	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger What is that supposed to mean? It's racist. How can you assess something as being racist (or not) if you don't know what it means?
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