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Old 6th January 2021, 06:21 PM   #241
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On CNN, one of the reasons being advanced for seriously working to quickly remove trump is this: Today's unprecedented takeover of the U.S. Capitol by a partisan mob -- a mob that has been encouraged for weeks by trump to do just this sort of thing -- has ended. The mob was repelled. Okay. But as of now, an angry, frustrated trump is going to be in the White House for two more weeks.

This isn't over. What's next?
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:23 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
It's not a cop, Ginger. Look at his patches.
I did. They were hard to see even with a magnifying glass and an enlarged image.

Homeland Security thugs are known to wear non-identifying badges.

What do you see in the image?
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:24 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
On CNN, one of the reasons being advanced for seriously working to quickly remove trump is this: Today's unprecedented takeover of the U.S. Capitol by a partisan mob -- a mob that has been encouraged for weeks by trump to do just this sort of thing -- has ended. The mob was repelled. Okay. But as of now, an angry, frustrated trump is going to be in the White House for two more weeks.

This isn't over. What's next?
Since Twitter have suspended him, the monster's teeth have been drawn for now. Not clear how long for though.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:24 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by HHellpop View Post
It is relevant. You said, twice, that he can't without names. Carter's order says "all persons" without naming a single one of them. You didn't say "without charges".
I think you missed my point. The draft dodgers all had their names in the system.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:26 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
On CNN, one of the reasons being advanced for seriously working to quickly remove trump is this: Today's unprecedented takeover of the U.S. Capitol by a partisan mob -- a mob that has been encouraged for weeks by trump to do just this sort of thing -- has ended. The mob was repelled. Okay. But as of now, an angry, frustrated trump is going to be in the White House for two more weeks.

This isn't over. What's next?
Indeed. He keeps fueling the fire and there are more Trumpist morons around the country who could head for DC now that they've seen how awesome it is to attack the Capitol. We had such morons in our state capitol (Salem OR) going wild today.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:26 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Did you look at it?
Yes, but what I saw at that link at the time I clicked it didn't strike me as racist, and I did know what it meant. But whether I found it racist or not is irrelevant to the question: how can you tell if something is racist if you don't know what it means?

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It's not like there's a question.
Yes, there is. The question I asked: how can you decide if something is racist if you don't know what it means? You are begging the question (in the proper, pedantic meaning of the expression) here.

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What I was asking was why did Mumbles post it.
And what I'm asking you is how you determined that as being racist if you don't know what it means.

Blitroppi. Racist, or not, to use that word?
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:26 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Paul2 View Post
Insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Armed: furnished with weapons

Which parts of those definitions don’t apply here? “Revolt?”
What weapons did they have? And how was that not just a mob?
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:26 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I did. They were hard to see even with a magnifying glass and an enlarged image.

Homeland Security thugs are known to wear non-identifying badges.

What do you see in the image?
I saw a death's head and an American flag with an AR-15 superimposed over it. I also had no issues clicking on the photo making it bigger. Perhaps I just have a larger screen than you though.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:27 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Since Twitter have suspended him, the monster's teeth have been drawn for now. Not clear how long for though.
Can you imagine his anger and frustration?
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:28 PM   #250
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Backfire! The proceedings have resumed and it has been said after the end to the AZ objection the rest of the planned disruptions probably won't continue.
One would expect that but......
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Originally Posted by nelsondogg View Post
NY Times is reporting that Pence activated the national guard, not Trump. Wtf...
D.C. Mayor made the request.

Pentagon (DEFSEC) approved, which they have discretion to do without explicit command from POTUS.

That other public officials also made pleas to do so, those are not official requests or orders.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:28 PM   #252
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I doubt the US is going to fall apart over a few more riots.

In a few weeks Trump will get turfed out on his **** and it will be just a highlight in history classes to talk about.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:30 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Picture of a fascist with handgun and zip-tie restraints in the capitol building. Equipped to take prisoners.

https://twitter.com/Rebexem/status/1346924689101213696
Hand gun? That's a cop.
The markings are not the sort I would associate with police but there's enough overlap between some police mentality with that of right wing militia types (punisher, come & take it, etc.) that I had to double check to make sure that that wasn't what we were seeing here.

The photographer who took that certainly is not labeling that photograph as a photograph of police. Anywhere that I have seen this photograph shown has a caption that says otherwise.

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WASHINGTON, DC - JANUARY 06: Protesters enter the Senate Chamber on January 06, 2021 in Washington, DC. Congress held a joint session today to ratify President-elect Joe Biden's 306-232 Electoral College win over President Donald Trump. Pro-Trump protesters have entered the U.S. Capitol building after mass demonstrations in the nation's capital. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images) Getty Images
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:34 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
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And what I'm asking you is how you determined that as being racist if you don't know what it means.

Blitroppi. Racist, or not, to use that word?
Like I said, look at the link.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:35 PM   #255
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I note that of the three broadcast networks, ABC and NBC are covering Congress live; CBS has gone back to its regular programming. MSNBC is also covering the event; Fox has Tucker Carlson ranting.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:37 PM   #256
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Indeed. Unless there's a Deaths Head precinct, I suppose.
Is it in Sheboygan, WI?

P.S. I just wanted to write "Sheboygan", actually.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:39 PM   #257
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I did. They were hard to see even with a magnifying glass and an enlarged image.

Homeland Security thugs are known to wear non-identifying badges.

What do you see in the image?
Click on the full picture. That's not any police uniform, and those patches show a skull and a rifle over the American flag. The fact that he's climbing over seats next to another obvious protester is also a big giveaway.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:39 PM   #258
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IANAL, but I'm pretty sure a guy being interviewed on CNN as a witness to the the fatal shooting in the Capitol just confessed to felony murder.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:40 PM   #259
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I doubt the US is going to fall apart over a few more riots.

In a few weeks Trump will get turfed out on his **** and it will be just a highlight in history classes to talk about.
Yeah it's fine. There is now officially a body count over Trump's delusion but yeah, just a highlight in a history book to you.
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Originally Posted by cosmicaug View Post
Is it in Sheboygan, WI?

P.S. I just wanted to write "Sheboygan", actually.
I think it's this patch. A punisher skull, popular with white supremacists.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:44 PM   #261
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Like I said, look at the link.
Like I said, I did. I don't think it's racist. I know what it means. You claim you don't know what it means, but without knowing what it means you are capable of determining it is racist. You refuse to answer how you can find a thing racist without knowing what it means.

You have accused another member of posting something racist. I think that's fairly rude. I think you should either admit you were wrong about that and apologize, or else explain how you determined it was racist. Unless a skeptic's site is not a place for people to show their work and present reasons for their conclusions?
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:45 PM   #262
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Per the Washington Post:

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What appeared to be two realistic-looking homemade bombs were found near the Republican National Committee headquarters and the Democratic National Committee headquarters in downtown Washington, officials said Wednesday, adding to the danger and disorder centered around Congress.

The suspected bomb outside the RNC was found next to a trash container, and was a metal pipe with metal end caps, with wires running from inside the pipe to a plastic kitchen timer, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing investigations.

FBI explosives experts responded to both devices, and they were “rendered safe by the FBI and our law enforcement partners,” the bureau said in a statement. “The investigation is ongoing.”

In a statement, the RNC called the suspicious package outside its building an “explosive device that was successfully detonated.”

Federal agents also are investigating a pickup truck found outside the RNC, according to two people familiar with the investigation.

The truck, parked across the street from the party offices and near the entrance to a Metro station, contained rifles and shotguns, a great deal of ammunition, and other unspecified material, these people said. Federal agents are still trying to determine if that vehicle and its contents are connected to the suspected pipe bombs found earlier, the people said.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:45 PM   #263
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I did. They were hard to see even with a magnifying glass and an enlarged image.

Homeland Security thugs are known to wear non-identifying badges.

What do you see in the image?
A patch on his chest with an American flag with a skull superimposed on it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErE83FIX...jpg&name=large

What branch of US Law Enforcement wears that badge?
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Yeah it's fine. There is now officially a body count over Trump's delusion but yeah, just a highlight in a history book to you.
Yes. Pretty much

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I think you made a mistake. Your link goes to an article about civil unrest, not attempted coups.
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Originally Posted by JesseCuster View Post
A patch on his chest with an American flag with a skull superimposed on it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErE83FIX...jpg&name=large

What branch of US Law Enforcement wears that badge?
Can you make out what the blue thing underneath is?
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Just looks like a blue stripe inside a grey box.

edit: It appears to be this: https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Police-One-1...h/371884651921

A badge indicating 5 years service with the police?

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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I think you made a mistake. Your link goes to an article about civil unrest, not attempted coups.
I think you might look back at this in a few years and realise you maybe over egging the pudding.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I think you might look back at this in a few years and realise you maybe over egging the pudding.
Four years ago you would've said this to anyone wondering about even the possibility of what has, in fact, taken place today in Washington DC, at the President's direction.
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Armed civilians interrupted US government proceedings, threatened US government officials, and damaged/stole US government property. Nothing about this can be waved off as 'just' a mob, that's how ALL revolutions start. Mobs devastate. Mobs topple civilizations.
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Oh dear God. If any of us had said "On the Election Certification Day An Armed Mob Is Going to Force Their Way Into the Capital Building" even yesterday all of the "Oh you're being dramatic and hyperbolic" crowds heads would have exploded.
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Its good of these idiots to post nice, clear photos of themselves, so that they can be easily identified later.
I am sure several law enforcement agencies will be very grateful for these people saving them so much work.
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Armed civilians interrupted US government proceedings, threatened US government officials, and damaged/stole US government property. Nothing about this can be waved off as 'just' a mob, that's how ALL revolutions start. Mobs devastate. Mobs topple civilizations.
The US has 329 odd million of mostly sane people and a military of nearly 1.5 million.

I think they will probably figure out how to sort it out
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He can't do that without names and they are too paranoid to give them. The feds just need to wait 13 days, 19 hours to charge them.
First, I don't think that's true, and second, I don't think it would stop him if it were.

I am not entirely sure why you continue to characterize this whole thing as you do. A group of possibly armed rioters, possibly with the collusion of the police, and likely with the collusion, certainly the encouragement, of the outgoing president, invaded the Capitol and forced the suspension of government business by threatening the well-being of the legislature, in order to prevent the lawful proceeding of government affairs. If that's not an attempted coup, what is? The fact that it was a futile attempt and likely to fail does not make it less treasonous than it was. You don't get a free ride because you're too stupid to do better.
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What weapons did they have? And how was that not just a mob?
The RNC and DNC had IEDs today. I’ll wait for more reporting to verify my memory on the insurrectionists being armed. I’ll stand corrected if that’s not verified.
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Most of the millions of mostly sane are too sane to trek thousands of miles to get close, and the military is spread over the world. Also, did any of those prevent the Congressional session from fleeing for their lives? Millions of Americans were perfectly sane but Giffords and nine people were gunned down by a *single* crazyperson. One, or a few, can do what one third of British colonists were able to do to British governors. Numbers mean nothing, numbers protect no one.
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The RNC and DNC had IEDs today. I’ll wait for more reporting to verify my memory on the insurrectionists being armed. I’ll stand corrected if that’s not verified.
Along with the 13 arrests reported, 5 confiscated guns were reported. That's not including the guns confiscated when the Proud Boys leader tried to haul in his arsenal over the weekend.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Oh dear God. If any of us had said "On the Election Certification Day An Armed Mob Is Going to Force Their Way Into the Capital Building" even yesterday all of the "Oh you're being dramatic and hyperbolic" crowds heads would have exploded.
Shall we predict what's next? Will Trump go on television and ask his followers to burn down the capitol buildings of every state that didn't vote for him? Will he try to deploy the military to invade Democratic strongholds? Will he accuse Biden, Pelosi, Pence, and McConnell of being terrorists and have them special renditioned? What enormity does anyone imagine is beyond him? What's the next "oh, he couldn't possibly do that, that's crazy" that then proceeds to occur?
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Lady that got shot dead had Q anon postings on social media.

I guess she thought the storm was happening right up until a cop plugged her in the neck. Another body on Q's tab.
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Originally Posted by JesseCuster View Post
Just looks like a blue stripe inside a grey box.

edit: It appears to be this: https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Police-One-1...h/371884651921

A badge indicating 5 years service with the police?
So Checkmite may be right?

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In his day job, maybe.
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