What did Trump & Supporters expect on Jan 6? - Page 4

Solitaire · 10th January 2021, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Oh, he probably has. He will try a different tactics nest time.

Hans

What? Do you expect him to lay an egg.

P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do?

dudalb · 10th January 2021, 03:58 PM

I think some of the moron insurrectionists expected some sooper secret Special Operations groups to come to their aid after they seized the capitol.Qanon has hinted at this.

MarkCorrigan · 10th January 2021, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Solitaire

What? Do you expect him to lay an egg.

P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do?

Well the gravy seals and QAnon morons keep saying that the real event will be on the 17th so...this again but louder and more violent?

slyjoe · 10th January 2021, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

Well the gravy seals and QAnon morons keep saying that the real event will be on the 17th so...this again but louder and more violent?

I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.

Crossbow · 10th January 2021, 05:39 PM

I have been wondering if Trump will get sued soon after he leaves office on 20 JAN 2021.

After all, I could see Trump being sued for the people who got killed, as well as the millions of dollars in damages his various toadies caused.

newyorkguy · 10th January 2021, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

...This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.

NO excuses this time. Law enforcement MUST be prepared. From NBC News:

Quote:

“Many of Us will return on January 19, 2021, carrying Our weapons, in support of Our nation's resolve, towhich [sic] the world will never forget!!! We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match,” wrote a popular Parler user who frequently posts about QAnon, and is being tracked by the Anti-Defamation League. "Round 2 on January 20th. This time no mercy. I don’t even care about keeping Trump in power. I care about war,” an anonymous person posted on the platform TheDonald.win, which is filled with comments posted by people who lauded those who rioted Wednesday as “heroes.” NBC News link

Parler, isn't that trump's new cyber home?

dudalb · 11th January 2021, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.

If they try it, whiff of grapeshot time.

dudalb · 11th January 2021, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

I have been wondering if Trump will get sued soon after he leaves office on 20 JAN 2021.

After all, I could see Trump being sued for the people who got killed, as well as the millions of dollars in damages his various toadies caused.

Well, Trump owes well over half a billion dollars from his business failures and on Jan 21 they will start to come around to collect.....

The Great Zaganza · 11th January 2021, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Well, Trump owes well over half a billion dollars from his business failures and on Jan 21 they will start to come around to collect.....

ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible.

Darat · 11th January 2021, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible.

If the rumours are true his current lenders aren’t the type to take a haircut, they are the type to give you a haircut at shoulder height.

The Great Zaganza · 11th January 2021, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

If the rumours are true his current lenders aren’t the type to take a haircut, they are the type to give you a haircut at shoulder height.

fine by me.

Safe-Keeper · 11th January 2021, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

Parler, isn't that trump's new cyber home?

Not anymore, Amazon apparently ran their servers and they decided to shut it down, citing the failure to moderate posts inciting violence.

How long it stays closed is anyone's guess.

Horatius · 11th January 2021, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible.

On the other hand, publicly bankrupting not just Trump, but his whole family, could make them incredibly popular.

dirtywick · 11th January 2021, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Not anymore, Amazon apparently ran their servers and they decided to shut it down, citing the failure to moderate posts inciting violence.

How long it stays closed is anyone's guess.

plus, what fun is parler when there's no libs to trigger

The Great Zaganza · 11th January 2021, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

On the other hand, publicly bankrupting not just Trump, but his whole family, could make them incredibly popular.

Doubt that's what they are after.

Horatius · 11th January 2021, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Doubt that's what they are after.

I don't know, with all the calls to "~~Eat~~ tax the rich" lately, I could see them wanting to find something to make them look like the good guys in the public eye.

shemp · 11th January 2021, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

If they try it, whiff of grapeshot time.

How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"?

Suddenly · 11th January 2021, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

I don't know, with all the calls to "~~Eat~~ tax the rich" lately, I could see them wanting to find something to make them look like the good guys in the public eye.

Corporations publicly rebuking Trump and his allies is a PR layup right now. Has little to do with nailing rich people as it does maintaining the illusion that corporations are anything but amoral seekers of profit.

Safe-Keeper · 11th January 2021, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

plus, what fun is parler when there's no libs to trigger

If I know fringe groups right, there will be plenty of infighting to keep them entertained.

Safe-Keeper · 11th January 2021, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.

Stupid question: isn't the NG under Trump's command? Will they have to coax him with hamberders and promises of two scoops of ice cream on the next trip to Mar-A-Lago to get him to deploy them, or can someone else do it over his head?

gnome · 11th January 2021, 08:12 AM

Reportedly, Pence already went over his head once to get a deployment.

Random · 11th January 2021, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"?

Tanks are too heavy for DC streets. Trump was very disappointed by that when he was told. He wanted to have his big military parade marching past his podium...

Mader Levap · 11th January 2021, 09:51 AM

Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS.

I have very mixed feelings about that.

JoeMorgue · 11th January 2021, 09:56 AM

I'm beginning to get the impression that Trump's not actually been the President in a lot of very real senses of the term for a while now and I have VERY mixed feelings about that.

Babbylonian · 11th January 2021, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS.

I have very mixed feelings about that.

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I'm beginning to get the impression that Trump's not actually been the President in a lot of very real senses of the term for a while now and I have VERY mixed feelings about that.

This is something about which I expressed concern very early on in this 4-year nightmare, when it was being suggested that Trump's subordinates could or even should just ignore Trump when he gives nutty but legal orders. I didn't then and don't now want this rapist screwing up the country [more], but I also don't want other members of the government defying the constitution. It's why I've always considered the political risks of impeachment irrelevant.

Horatius · 11th January 2021, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

It's why I've always considered the political risks of impeachment irrelevant.

There's got to be a point where political risks don't matter. At some point, you have to at least try to do something, because you have a duty to do it. A legal duty, or a moral duty. A duty to society. Impeachment is one of those things.

Even if you know you're going to get steamrollered by the forces of evil, you still have a duty to try, if for no other reason than showing people that not everyone acquiesced to the victory of evil. There's a reason we still honor those who fought in the Warsaw Uprising, even though they lost, even though that loss was pretty much a foregone conclusion before they even began to fight.

Jack by the hedge · 11th January 2021, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS.

I have very mixed feelings about that.

In years to come he'll probably have mixed feelings about having ducked his chance to be the actual president for a couple of weeks.

MRC_Hans · 11th January 2021, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Solitaire

What? Do you expect him to lay an egg.

P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do?

Well, I have heard that question before, and so far, he has surprised us.
Not in a positive way, but still .... surprised.

Hans

dasmiller · 11th January 2021, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

There's got to be a point where political risks don't matter. At some point, you have to at least try to do something, because you have a duty to do it. A legal duty, or a moral duty. A duty to society. Impeachment is one of those things.

Even if you know you're going to get steamrollered by the forces of evil, you still have a duty to try, if for no other reason than showing people that not everyone acquiesced to the victory of evil. There's a reason we still honor those who fought in the Warsaw Uprising, even though they lost, even though that loss was pretty much a foregone conclusion before they even began to fight.

I concur.

Over the last few years, I have been greatly angered by a number of Republicans who have, IMO, prioritized their careers above doing the right thing. In general, they've supported various inane Trump things because they feared that being denounced by Trump would cost them their next election. I believe that their duty is to do what's right, not what is most personally politically expedient, hence my anger and disappointment.

Sauce for the goose. I don't think any Democrat in Congress has any doubt that Trump should* be impeached, convicted, and imprisoned. Yes, it might not be politically expedient, but if it's wrong for Republicans to base their actions on their fear of backlash, then it's wrong for Democrats, too.

*Some may sincerely believe that it's in the best interest of the country to simply move past this without retribution. I disagree, but if it's a sincere belief, then they may have a duty to vote against impeachment/conviction.

Horatius · 11th January 2021, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

*Some may sincerely believe that it's in the best interest of the country to simply move past this without retribution. I disagree, but if it's a sincere belief, then they may have a duty to vote against impeachment/conviction.

Anyone who does have such a sincere belief should also welcome a vote on impeachment, so that they can go on record as opposing it.

I'm okay with letting history judge my pro-impeachment position, let them stand for judgement as well.

JoeMorgue · 11th January 2021, 11:45 AM

Checks and balances, limits on power, procedures, etc... none of these are meant to be suicide packs or petards we deserve to be strung up on.

I've never gotten the varying degrees of either resigned acceptance or gleeful joy that so many people seem to react with to this possible scenario of American being cornered by its own rules and being forced to watch the ship go down because of it.

Yes if America doesn't follow its own rules we're effed no matter what but there's a difference between dying for your principles and dying because of them.

The whole "Oopsie doodles looks Trump done went and Mr. Beaned us into a coup and now our hands are tied because the rules say we can't do anything" is not an acceptable place for this story to end.

pgwenthold · 11th January 2021, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

Over the last few years, I have been greatly angered by a number of Republicans who have, IMO, prioritized their careers above doing the right thing.

I don't have a problem with politicians "prioritiz(ing) their careers."

What I am more angered about is the fact there is a difference between "doing the right thing" and "prioritizing your career."

catsmate · 11th January 2021, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"?

They're not mutually exclusive; there are beehive rounds for tank cannon and 70mm FFAR aerial rockets....

dasmiller · 11th January 2021, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I don't have a problem with politicians "prioritiz(ing) their careers."

What I am more angered about is the fact there is a difference between "doing the right thing" and "prioritizing your career."

I'd love to find a way to keep populist bullies out of politics, but until then, "prioritizing your career" will often mean doing whatever's good for the populist bully.

ponderingturtle · 11th January 2021, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Checks and balances, limits on power, procedures, etc... none of these are meant to be suicide packs or petards we deserve to be strung up on.

Blown up by, a petard is a bomb.

Butter! · 11th January 2021, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think some of the moron insurrectionists expected some sooper secret Special Operations groups to come to their aid after they seized the capitol.Qanon has hinted at this.

God, they really do think they're living in a lousy movie.

That is so annoying to me.

ponderingturtle · 11th January 2021, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Butter!

God, they really do think they're living in a lousy movie.

Exactly there would be a mass uprising and the baby eating elites would be all put into their place in a montage. Roll Credits.

Butter! · 11th January 2021, 12:51 PM

And the baby-eating thing, too. I mean, seriously, how childish and ridiculous can you get. I have zero respect for these people. I don't really see them as people.

I know that's kind of terrible, but it took me awhile to get to that point.

JoeMorgue · 11th January 2021, 12:53 PM

It was noted that after the successfully breached the Capitol a lot of these idiots just... like stood there and milled about.

The best description of it I read was that it was like watching someone who's beat a video game level and was just standing there waiting for their next objective to pop up.

ponderingturtle · 11th January 2021, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Butter!

And the baby-eating thing, too. I mean, seriously, how childish and ridiculous can you get. I have zero respect for these people. I don't really see them as people.

Hey they are just keeping with the anti-Semitic classics. Just traditional blood libel.

10th January 2021, 03:55 PM	#121
Solitaire Neoclinus blanchardi Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,474	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans Oh, he probably has. He will try a different tactics nest time. Hans What? Do you expect him to lay an egg. P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do?
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10th January 2021, 03:58 PM	#122
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,869	I think some of the moron insurrectionists expected some sooper secret Special Operations groups to come to their aid after they seized the capitol.Qanon has hinted at this.
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10th January 2021, 04:04 PM	#123
MarkCorrigan Winter is Coming Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 8,908	Originally Posted by Solitaire What? Do you expect him to lay an egg. P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do? Well the gravy seals and QAnon morons keep saying that the real event will be on the 17th so...this again but louder and more violent?
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10th January 2021, 04:47 PM	#124
slyjoe Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 2,536	Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan Well the gravy seals and QAnon morons keep saying that the real event will be on the 17th so...this again but louder and more violent? I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.
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10th January 2021, 05:39 PM	#125
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 13,231	I have been wondering if Trump will get sued soon after he leaves office on 20 JAN 2021. After all, I could see Trump being sued for the people who got killed, as well as the millions of dollars in damages his various toadies caused.
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11th January 2021, 02:16 AM	#127
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,869	Originally Posted by slyjoe I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time. If they try it, whiff of grapeshot time.
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11th January 2021, 02:19 AM	#128
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,869	Originally Posted by Crossbow I have been wondering if Trump will get sued soon after he leaves office on 20 JAN 2021. After all, I could see Trump being sued for the people who got killed, as well as the millions of dollars in damages his various toadies caused. Well, Trump owes well over half a billion dollars from his business failures and on Jan 21 they will start to come around to collect.....
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11th January 2021, 02:31 AM	#129
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,292	Originally Posted by dudalb Well, Trump owes well over half a billion dollars from his business failures and on Jan 21 they will start to come around to collect..... ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible.
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11th January 2021, 04:44 AM	#130
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 96,011	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible. If the rumours are true his current lenders aren’t the type to take a haircut, they are the type to give you a haircut at shoulder height.
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11th January 2021, 04:45 AM	#131
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,292	Originally Posted by Darat If the rumours are true his current lenders aren’t the type to take a haircut, they are the type to give you a haircut at shoulder height. fine by me.
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11th January 2021, 04:58 AM	#132
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,353	Originally Posted by newyorkguy Parler, isn't that trump's new cyber home? Not anymore, Amazon apparently ran their servers and they decided to shut it down, citing the failure to moderate posts inciting violence. How long it stays closed is anyone's guess.
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11th January 2021, 06:16 AM	#133
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,886	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible. On the other hand, publicly bankrupting not just Trump, but his whole family, could make them incredibly popular.
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11th January 2021, 06:25 AM	#134
dirtywick Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Not anymore, Amazon apparently ran their servers and they decided to shut it down, citing the failure to moderate posts inciting violence. How long it stays closed is anyone's guess. plus, what fun is parler when there's no libs to trigger
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11th January 2021, 06:45 AM	#135
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,292	Originally Posted by Horatius On the other hand, publicly bankrupting not just Trump, but his whole family, could make them incredibly popular. Doubt that's what they are after.
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11th January 2021, 06:53 AM	#136
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,886	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Doubt that's what they are after. I don't know, with all the calls to "~~Eat~~ tax the rich" lately, I could see them wanting to find something to make them look like the good guys in the public eye.
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11th January 2021, 07:10 AM	#137
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 39,511	Originally Posted by dudalb If they try it, whiff of grapeshot time. How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"?
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11th January 2021, 07:47 AM	#138
Suddenly No Punting Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Not In Follansbee Posts: 4,048	Originally Posted by Horatius I don't know, with all the calls to "~~Eat~~ tax the rich" lately, I could see them wanting to find something to make them look like the good guys in the public eye. Corporations publicly rebuking Trump and his allies is a PR layup right now. Has little to do with nailing rich people as it does maintaining the illusion that corporations are anything but amoral seekers of profit.

11th January 2021, 07:56 AM	#139
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,353	Originally Posted by dirtywick plus, what fun is parler when there's no libs to trigger If I know fringe groups right, there will be plenty of infighting to keep them entertained.
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11th January 2021, 08:06 AM	#140
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,353	Originally Posted by slyjoe I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time. Stupid question: isn't the NG under Trump's command? Will they have to coax him with hamberders and promises of two scoops of ice cream on the next trip to Mar-A-Lago to get him to deploy them, or can someone else do it over his head?
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11th January 2021, 08:12 AM	#141
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,803	Reportedly, Pence already went over his head once to get a deployment.
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11th January 2021, 09:51 AM	#142
Random Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,207	Originally Posted by shemp How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"? Tanks are too heavy for DC streets. Trump was very disappointed by that when he was told. He wanted to have his big military parade marching past his podium...
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11th January 2021, 09:51 AM	#143
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,493	Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS. I have very mixed feelings about that.
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11th January 2021, 09:56 AM	#144
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,764	I'm beginning to get the impression that Trump's not actually been the President in a lot of very real senses of the term for a while now and I have VERY mixed feelings about that.
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11th January 2021, 10:09 AM	#145
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,417	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS. I have very mixed feelings about that. Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I'm beginning to get the impression that Trump's not actually been the President in a lot of very real senses of the term for a while now and I have VERY mixed feelings about that. This is something about which I expressed concern very early on in this 4-year nightmare, when it was being suggested that Trump's subordinates could or even should just ignore Trump when he gives nutty but legal orders. I didn't then and don't now want this rapist screwing up the country [more], but I also don't want other members of the government defying the constitution. It's why I've always considered the political risks of impeachment irrelevant.
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11th January 2021, 11:16 AM	#146
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,886	Originally Posted by Babbylonian It's why I've always considered the political risks of impeachment irrelevant. There's got to be a point where political risks don't matter. At some point, you have to at least try to do something, because you have a duty to do it. A legal duty, or a moral duty. A duty to society. Impeachment is one of those things. Even if you know you're going to get steamrollered by the forces of evil, you still have a duty to try, if for no other reason than showing people that not everyone acquiesced to the victory of evil. There's a reason we still honor those who fought in the Warsaw Uprising, even though they lost, even though that loss was pretty much a foregone conclusion before they even began to fight.
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11th January 2021, 11:24 AM	#147
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,778	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS. I have very mixed feelings about that. In years to come he'll probably have mixed feelings about having ducked his chance to be the actual president for a couple of weeks.

11th January 2021, 11:26 AM	#148
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,292	Originally Posted by Solitaire What? Do you expect him to lay an egg. P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do? Well, I have heard that question before, and so far, he has surprised us. Not in a positive way, but still .... surprised. Hans
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11th January 2021, 11:38 AM	#149
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,353	Originally Posted by Horatius There's got to be a point where political risks don't matter. At some point, you have to at least try to do something, because you have a duty to do it. A legal duty, or a moral duty. A duty to society. Impeachment is one of those things. Even if you know you're going to get steamrollered by the forces of evil, you still have a duty to try, if for no other reason than showing people that not everyone acquiesced to the victory of evil. There's a reason we still honor those who fought in the Warsaw Uprising, even though they lost, even though that loss was pretty much a foregone conclusion before they even began to fight. I concur. Over the last few years, I have been greatly angered by a number of Republicans who have, IMO, prioritized their careers above doing the right thing. In general, they've supported various inane Trump things because they feared that being denounced by Trump would cost them their next election. I believe that their duty is to do what's right, not what is most personally politically expedient, hence my anger and disappointment. Sauce for the goose. I don't think any Democrat in Congress has any doubt that Trump should* be impeached, convicted, and imprisoned. Yes, it might not be politically expedient, but if it's wrong for Republicans to base their actions on their fear of backlash, then it's wrong for Democrats, too. *Some may sincerely believe that it's in the best interest of the country to simply move past this without retribution. I disagree, but if it's a sincere belief, then they may have a duty to vote against impeachment/conviction.
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11th January 2021, 11:43 AM	#150
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,886	Originally Posted by dasmiller Some may sincerely believe that it's in the best interest of the country to simply move past this without retribution. I disagree, but if it's a sincere belief, then they may have a duty to vote against impeachment/conviction. Anyone who does have such a sincere belief should also welcome a vote on impeachment, so that they* can go on record as opposing it. I'm okay with letting history judge my pro-impeachment position, let them stand for judgement as well.
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11th January 2021, 11:45 AM	#151
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,764	Checks and balances, limits on power, procedures, etc... none of these are meant to be suicide packs or petards we deserve to be strung up on. I've never gotten the varying degrees of either resigned acceptance or gleeful joy that so many people seem to react with to this possible scenario of American being cornered by its own rules and being forced to watch the ship go down because of it. Yes if America doesn't follow its own rules we're effed no matter what but there's a difference between dying for your principles and dying because of them. The whole "Oopsie doodles looks Trump done went and Mr. Beaned us into a coup and now our hands are tied because the rules say we can't do anything" is not an acceptable place for this story to end.
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11th January 2021, 11:48 AM	#152
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,037	Originally Posted by dasmiller Over the last few years, I have been greatly angered by a number of Republicans who have, IMO, prioritized their careers above doing the right thing. I don't have a problem with politicians "prioritiz(ing) their careers." What I am more angered about is the fact there is a difference between "doing the right thing" and "prioritizing your career."
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11th January 2021, 11:51 AM	#153
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,426	Originally Posted by shemp How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"? They're not mutually exclusive; there are beehive rounds for tank cannon and 70mm FFAR aerial rockets....
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11th January 2021, 12:02 PM	#154
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,353	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I don't have a problem with politicians "prioritiz(ing) their careers." What I am more angered about is the fact there is a difference between "doing the right thing" and "prioritizing your career." I'd love to find a way to keep populist bullies out of politics, but until then, "prioritizing your career" will often mean doing whatever's good for the populist bully.
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11th January 2021, 12:34 PM	#155
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,121	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Checks and balances, limits on power, procedures, etc... none of these are meant to be suicide packs or petards we deserve to be strung up on. Blown up by, a petard is a bomb.
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11th January 2021, 12:45 PM	#156
Butter! Rough Around the Edges Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Deep Storage Posts: 7,062	Originally Posted by dudalb I think some of the moron insurrectionists expected some sooper secret Special Operations groups to come to their aid after they seized the capitol.Qanon has hinted at this. God, they really do think they're living in a lousy movie. That is so annoying to me.
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