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Old 10th January 2021, 03:55 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Oh, he probably has. He will try a different tactics nest time.

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What? Do you expect him to lay an egg.


P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do?
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Old 10th January 2021, 03:58 PM   #122
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I think some of the moron insurrectionists expected some sooper secret Special Operations groups to come to their aid after they seized the capitol.Qanon has hinted at this.
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Old 10th January 2021, 04:04 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Solitaire View Post
What? Do you expect him to lay an egg.


P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do?
Well the gravy seals and QAnon morons keep saying that the real event will be on the 17th so...this again but louder and more violent?
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Old 10th January 2021, 04:47 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Well the gravy seals and QAnon morons keep saying that the real event will be on the 17th so...this again but louder and more violent?
I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.
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I have been wondering if Trump will get sued soon after he leaves office on 20 JAN 2021.

After all, I could see Trump being sued for the people who got killed, as well as the millions of dollars in damages his various toadies caused.
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:41 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
...This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.

NO excuses this time. Law enforcement MUST be prepared. From NBC News:
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“Many of Us will return on January 19, 2021, carrying Our weapons, in support of Our nation's resolve, towhich [sic] the world will never forget!!! We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match,” wrote a popular Parler user who frequently posts about QAnon, and is being tracked by the Anti-Defamation League. "Round 2 on January 20th. This time no mercy. I don’t even care about keeping Trump in power. I care about war,” an anonymous person posted on the platform TheDonald.win, which is filled with comments posted by people who lauded those who rioted Wednesday as “heroes.” NBC News link
Parler, isn't that trump's new cyber home?
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:16 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.
If they try it, whiff of grapeshot time.
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:19 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
I have been wondering if Trump will get sued soon after he leaves office on 20 JAN 2021.

After all, I could see Trump being sued for the people who got killed, as well as the millions of dollars in damages his various toadies caused.
Well, Trump owes well over half a billion dollars from his business failures and on Jan 21 they will start to come around to collect.....
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:31 AM   #129
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Well, Trump owes well over half a billion dollars from his business failures and on Jan 21 they will start to come around to collect.....
ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible.
If the rumours are true his current lenders arenít the type to take a haircut, they are the type to give you a haircut at shoulder height.
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:45 AM   #131
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If the rumours are true his current lenders arenít the type to take a haircut, they are the type to give you a haircut at shoulder height.
fine by me.
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Old 11th January 2021, 04:58 AM   #132
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Parler, isn't that trump's new cyber home?
Not anymore, Amazon apparently ran their servers and they decided to shut it down, citing the failure to moderate posts inciting violence.

How long it stays closed is anyone's guess.
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Old 11th January 2021, 06:16 AM   #133
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
ironically, this lenders might be willing to take a big haircut on the outstanding loans, just to cut their ties with Trump as fast as possible.


On the other hand, publicly bankrupting not just Trump, but his whole family, could make them incredibly popular.
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Old 11th January 2021, 06:25 AM   #134
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Not anymore, Amazon apparently ran their servers and they decided to shut it down, citing the failure to moderate posts inciting violence.

How long it stays closed is anyone's guess.
plus, what fun is parler when there's no libs to trigger
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Old 11th January 2021, 06:45 AM   #135
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On the other hand, publicly bankrupting not just Trump, but his whole family, could make them incredibly popular.
Doubt that's what they are after.
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Old 11th January 2021, 06:53 AM   #136
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Doubt that's what they are after.


I don't know, with all the calls to "Eat tax the rich" lately, I could see them wanting to find something to make them look like the good guys in the public eye.
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Old 11th January 2021, 07:10 AM   #137
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If they try it, whiff of grapeshot time.
How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"?
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I don't know, with all the calls to "Eat tax the rich" lately, I could see them wanting to find something to make them look like the good guys in the public eye.
Corporations publicly rebuking Trump and his allies is a PR layup right now. Has little to do with nailing rich people as it does maintaining the illusion that corporations are anything but amoral seekers of profit.
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plus, what fun is parler when there's no libs to trigger
If I know fringe groups right, there will be plenty of infighting to keep them entertained.
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I hope they won't be more violent. This time the National Guard will have live ammo and will be there ahead of time.
Stupid question: isn't the NG under Trump's command? Will they have to coax him with hamberders and promises of two scoops of ice cream on the next trip to Mar-A-Lago to get him to deploy them, or can someone else do it over his head?
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Reportedly, Pence already went over his head once to get a deployment.
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How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"?
Tanks are too heavy for DC streets. Trump was very disappointed by that when he was told. He wanted to have his big military parade marching past his podium...
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Old 11th January 2021, 09:51 AM   #143
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Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS.

I have very mixed feelings about that.
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I'm beginning to get the impression that Trump's not actually been the President in a lot of very real senses of the term for a while now and I have VERY mixed feelings about that.
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS.

I have very mixed feelings about that.
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'm beginning to get the impression that Trump's not actually been the President in a lot of very real senses of the term for a while now and I have VERY mixed feelings about that.
This is something about which I expressed concern very early on in this 4-year nightmare, when it was being suggested that Trump's subordinates could or even should just ignore Trump when he gives nutty but legal orders. I didn't then and don't now want this rapist screwing up the country [more], but I also don't want other members of the government defying the constitution. It's why I've always considered the political risks of impeachment irrelevant.

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It's why I've always considered the political risks of impeachment irrelevant.


There's got to be a point where political risks don't matter. At some point, you have to at least try to do something, because you have a duty to do it. A legal duty, or a moral duty. A duty to society. Impeachment is one of those things.

Even if you know you're going to get steamrollered by the forces of evil, you still have a duty to try, if for no other reason than showing people that not everyone acquiesced to the victory of evil. There's a reason we still honor those who fought in the Warsaw Uprising, even though they lost, even though that loss was pretty much a foregone conclusion before they even began to fight.
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Right now, Pence is de facto POTUS.

I have very mixed feelings about that.
In years to come he'll probably have mixed feelings about having ducked his chance to be the actual president for a couple of weeks.
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Old 11th January 2021, 11:26 AM   #148
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What? Do you expect him to lay an egg.


P. S. He's got less than ten days what could he possibly do?
Well, I have heard that question before, and so far, he has surprised us.
Not in a positive way, but still .... surprised.

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There's got to be a point where political risks don't matter. At some point, you have to at least try to do something, because you have a duty to do it. A legal duty, or a moral duty. A duty to society. Impeachment is one of those things.

Even if you know you're going to get steamrollered by the forces of evil, you still have a duty to try, if for no other reason than showing people that not everyone acquiesced to the victory of evil. There's a reason we still honor those who fought in the Warsaw Uprising, even though they lost, even though that loss was pretty much a foregone conclusion before they even began to fight.
I concur.

Over the last few years, I have been greatly angered by a number of Republicans who have, IMO, prioritized their careers above doing the right thing. In general, they've supported various inane Trump things because they feared that being denounced by Trump would cost them their next election. I believe that their duty is to do what's right, not what is most personally politically expedient, hence my anger and disappointment.

Sauce for the goose. I don't think any Democrat in Congress has any doubt that Trump should* be impeached, convicted, and imprisoned. Yes, it might not be politically expedient, but if it's wrong for Republicans to base their actions on their fear of backlash, then it's wrong for Democrats, too.

*Some may sincerely believe that it's in the best interest of the country to simply move past this without retribution. I disagree, but if it's a sincere belief, then they may have a duty to vote against impeachment/conviction.
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*Some may sincerely believe that it's in the best interest of the country to simply move past this without retribution. I disagree, but if it's a sincere belief, then they may have a duty to vote against impeachment/conviction.

Anyone who does have such a sincere belief should also welcome a vote on impeachment, so that they can go on record as opposing it.

I'm okay with letting history judge my pro-impeachment position, let them stand for judgement as well.
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Checks and balances, limits on power, procedures, etc... none of these are meant to be suicide packs or petards we deserve to be strung up on.

I've never gotten the varying degrees of either resigned acceptance or gleeful joy that so many people seem to react with to this possible scenario of American being cornered by its own rules and being forced to watch the ship go down because of it.

Yes if America doesn't follow its own rules we're effed no matter what but there's a difference between dying for your principles and dying because of them.

The whole "Oopsie doodles looks Trump done went and Mr. Beaned us into a coup and now our hands are tied because the rules say we can't do anything" is not an acceptable place for this story to end.
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Over the last few years, I have been greatly angered by a number of Republicans who have, IMO, prioritized their careers above doing the right thing.
I don't have a problem with politicians "prioritiz(ing) their careers."

What I am more angered about is the fact there is a difference between "doing the right thing" and "prioritizing your career."
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How about "whiff of tank fire" or "whiff of aerial bombing"?
They're not mutually exclusive; there are beehive rounds for tank cannon and 70mm FFAR aerial rockets....
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I don't have a problem with politicians "prioritiz(ing) their careers."

What I am more angered about is the fact there is a difference between "doing the right thing" and "prioritizing your career."
I'd love to find a way to keep populist bullies out of politics, but until then, "prioritizing your career" will often mean doing whatever's good for the populist bully.
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Checks and balances, limits on power, procedures, etc... none of these are meant to be suicide packs or petards we deserve to be strung up on.
Blown up by, a petard is a bomb.
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I think some of the moron insurrectionists expected some sooper secret Special Operations groups to come to their aid after they seized the capitol.Qanon has hinted at this.
God, they really do think they're living in a lousy movie.

That is so annoying to me.
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God, they really do think they're living in a lousy movie.
Exactly there would be a mass uprising and the baby eating elites would be all put into their place in a montage. Roll Credits.
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And the baby-eating thing, too. I mean, seriously, how childish and ridiculous can you get. I have zero respect for these people. I don't really see them as people.

I know that's kind of terrible, but it took me awhile to get to that point.
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It was noted that after the successfully breached the Capitol a lot of these idiots just... like stood there and milled about.

The best description of it I read was that it was like watching someone who's beat a video game level and was just standing there waiting for their next objective to pop up.
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And the baby-eating thing, too. I mean, seriously, how childish and ridiculous can you get. I have zero respect for these people. I don't really see them as people.
Hey they are just keeping with the anti-Semitic classics. Just traditional blood libel.
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